Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-10 15:56:42

not sure what Lumi has to do with it tho

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-10 16:01:24

Oliwaz why are you trying so hard to hold the hammer

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-10 16:01:58

Oliwaz144 wrote:

2b55b5g wrote:
Oli it's L-1 right now cuz BB just voted
Ok. If i dont hammer at -5 mins you do it pls.
We have two triggers.
I will do at -15 mins

oh nvm i was typing as you posted this

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 20:59:10

[quote=Pqwerty]
Here are my notes on Gikkle. Post numbers are based on where they appear in the ISO, not in the thread.
Gikkle:
Reasons for town: #4 in ISO is where he finds ShadowsEdge's scumslip. He probably wouldn't point a scumslip out as mafia. His ISO is full of scumhunting. #35 is a logical post, despite it defending Shadow. I assume in #38 he legitimately thought Shadow was town and that's why he was sad to vote them, so it's likely not a scum realizing they're voting the traitor. So it's not fake emotion . #61 is a good explanation why Oliver is town and #62 is equally helpful, especially given the MM flip. #17, #24, #33, #66  makes it look like he's against Gandhi, but at the end of the day he voted for MM. #74 shows he's torn between the two, so it's probably not a big deal.

Reasons for mafia:  #18 I know he said he was trying to bait the mafia, but is it possible that he was just using this as an excuse as mafia for why he didn't die? #55 idk the progression on how he scumread MM. It's sort of out of nowhere. #41 he found out that Mini was most likely the cop read. It could be TMI but idk[/quote]
"Reasons for town: #4 in ISO is where he finds ShadowsEdge's scumslip. " - the scumslip is not a scumslip because it's literally in the OP, Gikkle just missed it. As a matter of fact, if you read the game at all, first few pages lost wolf was talked about: namely where I joked about Elijah's "Confirmed Gangster" comment being a lost wolf signalling.
Obviously Gikkle didn't read neither the OP nor the early game due to this. But idk how you could call this a "Gikkle pointing out a scumslip". About Gikkle I could see it being a townslip, perhaps, under the assumption that he's bad (which he's not). But you? That's just horrible.
And the rest if your townread on Gikkle is, for the most part "he's logical" "he makes sense", "he is leading the town". I hope I don't have to point out why those are horrendous reasons to townread someone?
The scumread reasons are vein aswell.

In general you seem to be a lot about "x said this, y thought that" and just townread the most influential/logical sounding. Like, your [url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795648#p795648]336[/url] for example. It's one big ball of information instead of analysis.


[quote=Pqwerty]
I think Gikkle's scumhunting and townleading far outweighs my potential doubts, so he's a townread for me. Also, I disagree that Lumi was the more likely to be the cop inspect. You said so yourself "Anyone would kill Lumi", which I interpret as "anyone would townread and kill Lumi". Not to mention, Mini was one of the wagons that almost lead to a lynch D1. If I were a cop, I'd probably inspect the guy who almost got voted off over the townread town leader. Maybe, like you, Elijah just knew Lumi was town and just didn't need an inspect to confirm it. I'm just saying I think Mini is the read here.

But say none of this hypothetical mattered. 
[/quote]
Can't help it when people forget that wolves have to fake scumhunting. But why is "townleading" a townread reason?
I agree about Lumi, after Gikkle provided that , btw.


[quote=Pqwerty]
How do you explain your votes on BB and MM when you townread both of them for making deep reads? What are your reads/opinions?[/quote]
BB
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[quote=Nuclear Gandhi][quote=2b55b5g]
why did you vote BB?[/quote]

I was hoping [i]anything[/i] would happen from it. I don't know, you're the only one who had any kind of reaction to it other than MM's [url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795640#p795640]328[/url].
In a world where BB is wolf, either his wolf mates are in 2b55, MM, Grilyon; or it wasn't serious enough to force any kind of reaction out of it. 
I'm rather inclined to believe the wolf team not to be MM, SB, 2b55. 
[/quote][/spoiler]

MM
[spoiler]
[quote=Nuclear Gandhi]I lost interest and dropped this game out of my mind something like 30h into Day2 or so; so I've some amount of catching up to do. Probably best if I start from SoD2 with the 2 flips in mind, I'll write my thoughts along the way.


- Dead cop had only night1 to do investigations, and the first thing he did was [url]https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795588#p795588[/url]
Assuming no further indications of Elijah having checked someone else, like a sudden heavy townread for example, then this should be a good vote.

Given that [url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795596#p795596]284[/url]+[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795603#p795603]291[/url]+[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795607#p795607]295[/url]+[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795632#p795632]320[/url] show that he could state reasons to sus BB but not the same for MM, while voting MM first and foremost (the BB sus looks like more of a afterthought), says to me that he had a red check on MM while the BB read is only there to not make it too obvious he's a Cop.

[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795609#p795609]297[/url]+[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795619#p795619]307[/url] [i]could[/i] indicate Elijah having a green check on minimania. But the "almost" and "99%" parts make it less likely to me. 

With this in mind, this might be conf biasing but [url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795614#p795614]302[/url] looks a bit dishonest. I mean the Lumi part. Lumi's main/only real meta tell is level of confidence, so Lumi being so in their town range while being a potentially strong asset - Idk why would someone who's so familiar with Lumi as MM is be happy that Lumi's dead.

On the flip side though, [url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795617#p795617]305[/url] makes little sense if he knew MM to be wolf? Not sure. Either way, Elijah's check was either MM wolf or Minimania town. 50/50 imho

[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795623#p795623]311[/url]+[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795624#p795624]312[/url]+[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795643#p795643]331[/url] could indicate Elijah having checked Lumi or BB instead? I wish he was more obvious, but at the very least he was obvious enough for the wolves to know he's a cop for whatever reason - so I don't think it's one of these.

MM is someone who knows better than almost anyone else that I sometimes stir up the pot for reactions and content. This this end, [url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795639#p795639]327[/url] is a bit weird reaction because I'd assume my intent there should've been obvious to him.

[url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795646#p795646]334[/url] - Imagine a dead cop having in his ISO a post where he calls you 100% Mafia, in caps. :D

ngl, upon seeing [url=https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewtopic.php?pid=795648#p795648]336[/url]+knowing that there's multiple new and very active slots to read later, kinda makes me want to procrastinate a bit more. Maybe a bit later, maybe tommorow, we'll see.

[b]!vote Marshmallow Marshall[/b][/quote][/spoiler]

reads/opinions
[spoiler]
none because
[quote=Nuclear Gandhi]
I haven't read like the last 400 posts or so[/quote]

Well, ok, I'll give you 1 thing - you're 'reads' feel rather vein to me. I'm yet to decide if it's alignment indicative.
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try this, Gandhi

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 20:59:55

anyway, good morning everyone

i received a fruit (:

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 21:03:44

ISO list once again

Host
(0.) Norwee

Alive
2. Onjit / Gikkle
4. 2b55b5g
5. Pqwerty
6. Minimania
8. Big Bon Jovi / Oliwaz144
10. BuzzerBee
11. Nuclear Gandhi
12. Grilyon2

Dead
1. ShadowsEdge (Traitor Watcher)
3. Marshmallow Marshall (Vanilla Townie)
7. AllenCaspe9510 (Vanilla Townie)
9. ElijahBaley (Town Cop)
13. Lumi (Vanilla Townie)

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 21:14:10

Pqwerty, Oliwaz, and 2b all going for the hammer at the end of yesterday leads me to believe at least 1 out of the 3 are scum

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 21:15:50

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

what did I miss BB?

one of your URL tags had too many brackets, and one of your ending quote tags had an extra forward slash at the end

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 21:16:43

BuzzerBee wrote:

Pqwerty, Oliwaz, and 2b all going for the hammer at the end of yesterday leads me to believe at least 1 out of the 3 are scum

anyway going back to this, i'm still very suspicious of oliwaz considering that Marshmallow had their vote on Oliwaz at EoD and Oliwaz was trying hard to hold the hammer

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 21:17:43

@Norwee are we allowed to have a confirmation as to whether or not multitasking is allowed

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 21:22:37

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

BuzzerBee wrote:
BuzzerBee wrote:
Pqwerty, Oliwaz, and 2b all going for the hammer at the end of yesterday leads me to believe at least 1 out of the 3 are scum
anyway going back to this, i'm still very suspicious of oliwaz considering that Marshmallow had their vote on Oliwaz at EoD and Oliwaz was trying hard to hold the hammer
Why is it important who hammers, if it's 3 minutes before EoD anyways?

i don't think it would've been important if Marshmallow had flipped scum, but they flipped town, and to me the biggest red flag is

Oliwaz144 wrote:

!Vote MM
Headshotted scum.
Antiterrrorists win.
Ez 4 ence
Protect Mini

this post by Oli. and then Oli coming on again today to say

Oliwaz144 wrote:

Sorry MM.
I wanna talk to you post game

like, half the town obviously made a mistake in scumreading Marshmallow. so it just seems like some weird kind of fake confidence followed by fake damage control

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-11 23:51:11

Pqwerty wrote:

We were absolutely sinking D2 and mafia just had to sit there and watch, but Gikkle picked up the reigns, activated the town, and lead to a scum chop.

hey give me and elijah some credit here

Gikkle just seemed to kind of follow along on D2? not really sure how you see that as "picked up the reigns" and "activated the town"

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 03:48:59

maybe the fruit vendor is the friends we made along the way

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 04:05:34

2b55b5g wrote:

and BB, what are your thoughts on Gikkle?

well Gikkle hasn't said much today so my thoughts on them are based on past days, but Gikkle is coming up with a LOT of original thoughts which at first glance appears townie to me but in general Gikkle is really difficult to read

i'm actually almost inclined to say Gikkle is either

a) Fruit Vendor
b) Scum

reasons why i think Gikkle is fruit vendor:
process of elimination. no one claimed fruit D2 which leads me to believe onjit was fruit vendor on N1 and didn't act in time to target anyone. but we've received fruit on D3 and now D4 after Gikkle replaced onjit. We know it's not me or 2b. Pqwerty and Mini said it wasn't them. Gandhi was inactive at the end of D2 / beginning of D3 which makes me think he wasn't active N2 to give fruit but this is speculation. Oli was only replaced on D3, and i'm sure Bon Jovi isn't the one who gave the fruit to 2b

therefore it's either Gikkle or Gandhi, and most likely Gikkle.

however, if Gikkle isn't fruit vendor, i'm forced to believe they're scum

reasons why i think gikkle is scum (if not fruit vendor):
Gikkle seemed to sheep on D2 and D3. like i said, at first glance it looks like Gikkle is a strong town player, but to me it looks like a lot of what they say about the game is very mathematical almost. they're deducing the game based on hard logic, which is helpful sometimes, but this setup relies heavily on social deduction, and they don't seem to say any opinions until a wagon has already started.

on D2 they hopped on the Shadow wagon, and on D3 they at first said they found it hard to believe Elijah got a red check on Marshmallow, and then as soon as pressure started to be put on Marshmallow, Gikkle jumped on it as well

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 04:06:34

BuzzerBee wrote:

no one claimed fruit D2

as Gandhi says, EBWOP

i meant "no one claimed to have received fruit on D2"

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 04:08:28

based on reads alone, a Gikkle/Oli team sounds most likely to me

but considering Gikkle and Oli are both replacements for inactive players, this seems unlikely considering the kills on N1 and N2 seemed to be more calculated.

also this is, again, ignoring the fact that Gikkle is probably the fruit vendor

then again is fruit vendor always town aligned?

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 04:11:00

i think we're making a lot of assumptions about how normal this setup really is

all we've seen is vanilla townies die

but considering we have a traitor watcher, neighbors, and a miller, there's gotta be some weird stuff going on. a mafia fruit vendor does not sound very farfetched to me at all

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 04:12:04

BuzzerBee wrote:

iall we've seen is vanilla townies die

oh and a cop. but still all we've really seen is the "normal" parts of the game which leads me to believe we're only getting down to the weirder parts as time goes on

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 09:07:25

Gikkle wrote:

I don't understand your points wrt day 2. You realize it was essentially physically impossible for me to form any reads before that wagon formed, right? I subbed in, was reading up, questioned shadow (who just so happened to also be getting sussed by Elijah at the time), and by the time I had read enough to form solid reads, you had already begun pushing Shadows.

sorry this was my bad. i thought you subbed in at the beginning of D2 but looking back i see you were thrown in the middle of it all. ugh subs make the game so unnecessarily complicated, i wish players wouldn't sign up for something they can't commit to

Gikkle wrote:

As for day 3 - I had made known my suspicion on MM from my very first initial reads list.

do you mean this post where you scumread him?

that seems like the only time you ever mentioned it. after that you mostly pushed minimania and then reluctantly voted Shadow. i never saw you mention Marshmallow again until more pressure was put on him.

i guess sheeping is a strong word for that, but you didn't really bring up Marshmallow at all again until later into D3 after me, gandhi, oli, and minimania started scumreading him

it just seems a little odd to me. maybe not the worst crime someone has committed here tho

Gikkle wrote:

You listed three completely normal things and are acting like the setup has to besomething weird? Idk what mind of setups you guys have here but that's very typical.

i'm not saying the setup is completely bonkers but i've never played a game with Neighbors so that's pretty strange to me (however i've only played a very limited number of mafia games lol). traitor watcher seems weird to me because i figured traitor was usually just a vanilla role without any night action. and gandhi said he'd never seen the miller role so i just assumed that it was strange as well

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 09:10:10

BuzzerBee wrote:

i think we're making a lot of assumptions about how normal this setup really is
all we've seen is vanilla townies die
but considering we have a traitor watcher, neighbors, and a miller, there's gotta be some weird stuff going on. a mafia fruit vendor does not sound very farfetched to me at all

anyway my point in saying this in the first place was we need to remember that everything we think we know is just speculation. at the end of the day it's a closed setup so we have to think outside the box with what possibilities may be lying beneath the surface of what we all see.

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 09:22:03

Norwee wrote:

BuzzerBee wrote:
@Norwee are we allowed to have a confirmation as to whether or not multitasking is allowed
The rules in my first post already has stated this.

oops my bad thanks

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 20:56:44

Minimania wrote:

Buzz how many games have you been in

Minimania wrote:

recently*

i haven't played in a couple years lol

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 20:58:23

Oliwaz144 wrote:

also is this tmi that there 2 wolfs on wagon!??!?
!Vote BB
Sr you earlier already i think

can you explain your thought process here?

Oliwaz144 wrote:

Ooh it says its a tiered readslist the next post
Yeah then its BB for sure

and here??

scumreading me is one thing but just trying to stir things up for no reason when we're one day away from LYLO is not helpful whatsoever

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 21:02:10

Pqwerty wrote:

Like what if this is a sign that our reads so far are all wrong up to the point where the mafia would rather kill an inactive to have us stay wrong and mischop Gandhi (the other vote candidate from yesterday) the same way we mischopped MM?

i was about to say you're reading too far into it but going off grilyon's last post this does seem like a reasonable conclusion

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-12 21:03:36

grilyon gave us so little to go off of though it's hard to make accurate assumptions.

Minimania wrote:

Technically we could still have a bus driver

also this could also be true

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