Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Nuclear Gandhi · 2022-09-01 16:01:30

I see reads lists 100 posts into the game.
I'm not used seeing reads lists 100 into the game.
I myself rarely ever do reads lists, I'm more of a 1 vote at a time while posting thoughts as they come type of guy.

Marshmallow Marshall wrote:

I foresee a no-lynch, and this saddens me infinitely.

I hope not. That'd be an infinitely -EV play.
But seeing as we are required to reach a majority vote in order to eliminate anyone at all, I'd say you're right.

I'll read the game later in the evening to decided on a vote and give any thoughts I might have along the way. But I'm pretty sure eliminating just any inactive slot on Day1 is as good as we can hope to get; you don't want to get in a situation where the final 5, or something, are mostly slots who barely play when you can remove them from the equation and increase the chances of future decisions being correct.

Marshmallow Marshall · 2022-09-01 17:37:24

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

List of reads:
▼Hidden text
I spent my time reading through this thread, thankfully it's not crazily long. If appreciated, I have made my own personal list of my reads (some of them without determining weather they're town or not). I personally think that I would be having a hard time to catch up with this thread due to outside hindrances, so I'll be attempting to try my best to read them all i guess. It's slow.
Elijah - I usually think that sometimes, a straight up lynch can be done just for fun, but I also think that pointing pressure can be a attractive perspective, what I mean is like trying to get attention for starting a lynch. You also voted Buzzerbee for being off topic, and i assumed that you didn't like it since you answered buzzerbee's question wrongly. To add more detail to that, you didn't answer 2b55b5g's question about that vote whether it was a joke or not, I don't see any significance in saying that (might need to put more attention into it), but it's something I like to take note on. I'm having a slow time to catch up with this stuff.
Gandhi - I like his individual self for trying to strike a topic for a small appealing quiet town. Putting a little pressure on mallow who hasn't talked yet. (I thought of something crazy, but I'd say it needs more paint) I do kinda wanna say that you make a lot of convincing posts, there's not really much I can say about.
BuzzerBee - If you don't mind me answering your funny questions like pineapple on pizza. Yes, I like pineapple and pizza for giving flavor for the thick rough crust. Some people don't eat that for some reason but I like. Back to the game thread, uhh. I find your posts to be town appealing for me, your reads and yeah.
2b55b5g - Expresses thoughts as the thread progresses, I'd say it's productive, town leaning.
Marshmallow - I find his introduction to be fine, not really interesting. I do like his talk with Gandhi.
Onjit - He hasn't said much bout his thoughts (scum-reading in general) when he first entered the thread and I like to keep it that way since it's day one. Is there something wrong about that? But it does get a little concerning if he doesn't give out his thoughts bout this situation.
Minimania - Since, I can't really think of good reading for him. I want to point out Buzzerbee's reading for mini.
Pqwerty - Anti-Town. Good word. He supports Elijah for defending himself, I suppose you can be right to hide your information you have right now since mafia can use that information I suppose. I'm looking forward on what your up to.
Lumi - Unknown
Beepboop - I like passive nature, I'm leaning towards onto see on what happens.
Grilyon2 - Do you need a book for your curious questions? I like to answer them sometime. I wish you'd be more responsive.
I spent too much time, writing this post. It took a while to get here. I hope I can slowly get the better glimpse of this situation as the thread progresses.

Perhaps I am being suddenly dense, but your paragraph on Elijah makes no sense at all to me. I read your words and don't see what you mean. I am confused.

About Onjit: you like the fact he hasn't said much about the game?? Why would anyone like such a thing lol (apart from scum obviously)? I am confused, but in a different and less positive way...

About Beepboop: you like their passive nature? I have not even noticed their existence, honestly, but can you explain further? Being passive usually is not good, but rather either neutral or bad, as far as I know.

About me: Not interesting?! My disappointment is immense and my day is ruined.

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

I see reads lists 100 posts into the game.
I'm not used seeing reads lists 100 into the game.
I myself rarely ever do reads lists, I'm more of a 1 vote at a time while posting thoughts as they come type of guy.
Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
I foresee a no-lynch, and this saddens me infinitely.
I hope not. That'd be an infinitely -EV play.
But seeing as we are required to reach a majority vote in order to eliminate anyone at all, I'd say you're right.
I'll read the game later in the evening to decided on a vote and give any thoughts I might have along the way. But I'm pretty sure eliminating just any inactive slot on Day1 is as good as we can hope to get; you don't want to get in a situation where the final 5, or something, are mostly slots who barely play when you can remove them from the equation and increase the chances of future decisions being correct.

I like reads lists 100 posts into the game, that's for sure. But I strongly prefer Buzzerbee's list, which I find to be genuine and relatable, to Casper's, which has weird/confusing elements (see above) and generally lacks... content? I don't know, it feels like a nothingburger for some reason. The best word to describe it is weird.

And yes, majority only as a lynch system is very saddening (but on the other hand, last game here, I got lynched D1 because there was plurality and noone really voted so I got targeted for actually doing something lmao)

As for lynching low-posters, yes, but no. I am considering voting Casper here (whether I do so or not will be determined by his reaction to what I said in the upper part of my post), and either way, I still want to hear more from Elijah. There are actual tracks to follow here, so it's not like there's nothing to do but lynching low posters. I would absolutely get behind lynching lurkers over no-lynching, though; it's just not my top choice.

Also, quick list:

TOWN

Gandhi
Bee

Pqwerty (pretty good reaction to my push on them, but not convinced enough to put them as high as the other two)

NULL : everyone not mentioned; special mention of Lumi that is 99,9999 % being busy here, I think this is absolutely NAI

Elijah
Casper

SCUM

Grilyon2 · 2022-09-01 23:06:36

Ok I'm gonna explain myself

Firstly, it's my first time playing and never really saw anything related to past games, so I don't understand at all the slang, roles and so on. So, probably my assumptions will end up being poorly

That being said, what's the matter with unvoting and 'wait till night'?: I didn't want to vote because these two reasons: Trying to prevent my role being mistaken, and avoid a contraproductive vote. However, it's true that Gandhi wrote a well explained post about voting is beneficial in day 1, and now I understand even a new player should apply that. Now that I see it again, I think I should vote.

My vote and pqwerty woots: I believe in pqwerty anti-town role but not about him being aligned with town. I believe he tried to paint MM as a contradictory to feed its supposed role, because really (I) don't see how you can misunderstand that, then tried to rectify because it did not work as intended? That's why i wooted.
My second guess is Eliah since he has been voting with little info and said not voting pqwerty just because is not scum which I think is not true

Soo !Vote Pqwerty

Another thing, I don't know how does roles are distributed by the host, guessing that is randomized? However, wouldn't it be weird to give a newbie a mafia role, it could screw up easy

Nuclear Gandhi · 2022-09-01 23:19:40

I want to go through a quick process of elimination to see whom I'm more ok to vote for elimination for Day1.

First 3 names I want to cross out are more principle based: Big Bon Jovi, Grilyon2, Lumi.
BBJ and Grilyon2 have never played before.
Lumi posted a "slank cover" in their signup.
It might not be to the likings of everyone, but those are not players I wish to Day1 eliminate for being inactive.

Marshmallow Marshall is the towniest player in this game as far as I'm concerned so far. Is the most active in the scumhunting process of the game + his progression in the game looks so linear and smooth to me. One thing that I did not understand and looked a little strange to me though was the question/conclusion at the end of #90. As Elijah said: "The vote on MM was the joke not buzzerbee"

Pqwerty is 2nd only to MM when it comes to active scumhunting (as opposed to passive scumhunting: providing observations and ideas from the side lines), and that's something that this game is lacking a bit. Just to be clear, I don't think of their ISO as clearing. They're more active hunting than most of us this game, but I don't think it's much for FM in general.

For me, 2b55b5g and BuzzerBee both hold the gold medal in providing unique and solid ideas in their reads lists. 2b55 has the highest post count at the present of the players in this list but I find more of their takes or actions disagreeable, so in my mind brain they share a spot with BB who's content is I think 1 reads list. Go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AllenCaspe9510, I just find their reads list extremely based lol. I love it. I can see others wouldn't, but to me it's just so pure if that makes any sense?

To be yet decided

Minimania
Why I want to put Minimania in the list above:
1) They didn't know there's no third party. Possibly a town slip.
2) They at least have the minimal appearance of wolfhunting, which is more than I see in the players below.
Why I want to put Minimania in the list below:
1) Initially when Pqwerty called Minimania fillery - I agreed with that take. Minimania's reaction to what Pqwerty said was overly OMGUS, which was also the first post that didn't look like filler anymore. They immediatly took their OMGUS vote back with "Oh, yeah you know what, that's entirely fair." the moment Pqwerty said something like "I just wanted to see you talk". Granted, that's also when Minimania learned there's no third party in the game - which was what they accused Pqwerty of. But other than the slight sus on me and Lumi, that reaction was the only time it felt like a real participation in the game from them.
To adress the defense of Minimania: that there are way less active players so why aren't their posts called "fillers". The difference is - the posts of those other's aren't even trying to look like contributing, whereas the early Minimania's posts, they look more showy than of actual use.

ShadowsEdge
Other than commenting on general things like voting day1 or assuming optimal play, shadowedge has commented 3 things:
-My focus on myself is towny.
-Pqwerty's role claim is towny.
-Grilyon's passiveness is off-putting.
It feels more genuine than Minimania, but is still lacking and easily fakable.

Players I've in PoE
Onjit is posting, but isn't participating in the game. Someone said that's normal for them. Fair, voting there would be more random than anything, but eliminating such a slot can be only good for Town. To be fair, the same could be said about the 2 new players and Lumi - so there's something to be said about there not being enough room for policy eliminations like that.

I seen people say good words about ElijahBaley voting Marshmallow Marshall in their opening post. Trust me, you probably see that 90% of the games they're both in. With that in mind, can someone show me signs of interest in scumhunting/gamesolving by Elijah outside of the early vote on Bee?
The only other thing of interest to him was: not voting anti town role for being an anti town role. Ok, there was also the "Townie post but that doesn't really mean anything IMO. Easy to make townie posts, especially early game. Will be you waiting for hear more from you." post if you stretch it - but that's kinda filler.
Look at posts from 2b55 or Marshmallow or Pqwerty, then open Elijah's ISO to compare. Can someone genuinly tell me they see intent to scumhunt in there?

!vote Elijah

ElijahBaley · 2022-09-01 23:23:40

yes and not actively scum hunting it as you put it definitely makes one scum

ElijahBaley · 2022-09-01 23:25:40

also, it isn't true that I wasn't scum hunting, I was. you can look at the posts I made regarding MM and see I had the intent to scum hunt.

by the way, this could be wrong or whatever but AllenCaspe's read list triggers my inner gut read

!vote AllenCaspe9510

ElijahBaley · 2022-09-01 23:29:30

Grilyon2 wrote:

Ok I'm gonna explain myself
Firstly, it's my first time playing and never really saw anything related to past games, so I don't understand at all the slang, roles and so on. So, probably my assumptions will end up being poorly
That being said, what's the matter with unvoting and 'wait till night'?: I didn't want to vote because these two reasons: Trying to prevent my role being mistaken, and avoid a contraproductive vote. However, it's true that Gandhi wrote a well explained post about voting is beneficial in day 1, and now I understand even a new player should apply that. Now that I see it again, I think I should vote.
My vote and pqwerty woots: I believe in pqwerty anti-town role but not about him being aligned with town. I believe he tried to paint MM as a contradictory to feed its supposed role, because really (I) don't see how you can misunderstand that, then tried to rectify because it did not work as intended? That's why i wooted.
My second guess is Eliah since he has been voting with little info and said not voting pqwerty just because is not scum which I think is not true
Soo !Vote Pqwerty
Another thing, I don't know how does roles are distributed by the host, guessing that is randomized? However, wouldn't it be weird to give a newbie a mafia role, it could screw up easy

we can assume they're randomly distributed, it's better that way, IMO.
whilst what you say CAN be true (I've hosted before and I generally try to avoid putting newbies in unpleasant situations), it kind of detracts from the game if we read into that kinda stuff

ElijahBaley · 2022-09-01 23:37:07

Grilyon also pings my scumdar for calling me out for 'voting with little info'

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-01 23:48:05

hello! i’m on break at work so i thought i’d come back to chime in

first, welcome bon jovi & allen, im glad y’all could make it

second, who is Beepboop?? am i missing something

third, if i were to update my read list i would add Allen to the neutral category. i appreciate the reads but i think i still need more

since we’re nearing the day i would like to hear who people’s main suspicion is for scum. i know it’s tough to get reads on day 1 but i think it would be helpful for everyone to give one scumread instead of being so wishy washy.

your read probably won’t be right and that’s okay, it’s just helpful information to go off, especially on future days in the game it will be useful to look back to what people said on day 1

grilyon i appreciate your explanation. i’m going to keep my vote on you just because you’re still my primary suspicion right now.

okay back to work ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

Nuclear Gandhi · 2022-09-01 23:49:34

ElijahBaley wrote:

also, it isn't true that I wasn't scum hunting, I was. you can look at the posts I made regarding MM and see I had the intent to scum hunt.

When in #75 you called MM towny, but didn't call anyone else towny.
When in page2 you didn't show signs of being interested in solving 2b55, when by comparison she wants to solve you.
When in #52 your interest is in a anti-town claim, you first game interest in a time. (previous page your interest was in statistics)
When in page3 and page4 your interest is in commenting to things related to things said about you, with the exception of that 1 filler looking post about MM.
That I'm so Town post #83.
You had no post page5, but the only post page6 is again commenting on things said said about you.
Now we're here, page 7. But I look at your past and instinctively it feels like an interest in scumhunting is shown in a single digit percentile of your posts.

Marshmallow Marshall

Minimania · 2022-09-01 23:50:57

Alright so maybe I'm being a **** but what does MM stand for? I don't think it stands for Minimania but maybe I'm wrong?

Allen's readlist seems par for the course for him.

Minimania · 2022-09-01 23:51:18

Oh it stands for Marshmallow Marshall ****

Minimania · 2022-09-02 00:39:53

BuzzerBee wrote:

second, who is Beepboop?? am i missing something

He is from EE

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-02 00:53:58

Minimania wrote:

BuzzerBee wrote:
second, who is Beepboop?? am i missing something
He is from EE

there’s no one named Beepboop in the player list which is why i am confused

Marshmallow Marshall · 2022-09-02 01:08:39

Grilyon2 wrote:

Ok I'm gonna explain myself
Firstly, it's my first time playing and never really saw anything related to past games, so I don't understand at all the slang, roles and so on. So, probably my assumptions will end up being poorly
That being said, what's the matter with unvoting and 'wait till night'?: I didn't want to vote because these two reasons: Trying to prevent my role being mistaken, and avoid a contraproductive vote. However, it's true that Gandhi wrote a well explained post about voting is beneficial in day 1, and now I understand even a new player should apply that. Now that I see it again, I think I should vote.
My vote and pqwerty woots: I believe in pqwerty anti-town role but not about him being aligned with town. I believe he tried to paint MM as a contradictory to feed its supposed role, because really (I) don't see how you can misunderstand that, then tried to rectify because it did not work as intended? That's why i wooted.
My second guess is Eliah since he has been voting with little info and said not voting pqwerty just because is not scum which I think is not true
Soo !Vote Pqwerty
Another thing, I don't know how does roles are distributed by the host, guessing that is randomized? However, wouldn't it be weird to give a newbie a mafia role, it could screw up easy

Don't worry, you have a right to be new lol, some things can be counterintuitive at first.
Usually, roles are handpicked, but who gets what is randomized. Newbies absolutely can be Mafia, so sorry, we have to consider you as a potential suspect .

Hmm, I don't think Pqwerty is evil faking the reevaluation, but it's still possible. I just won't go there unless there is a better reason to do so.

Voting people early is NOT a valid reason to scumread someone, by the way. It's fairly common to even begin the game with a vote to get the ball rolling, so don't get fooled by this.

Marshmallow Marshall · 2022-09-02 01:11:45

ElijahBaley wrote:

also, it isn't true that I wasn't scum hunting, I was. you can look at the posts I made regarding MM and see I had the intent to scum hunt.
by the way, this could be wrong or whatever but AllenCaspe's read list triggers my inner gut read
!vote AllenCaspe9510

Well, if you have intent to scum hunt, you must have some reads now. Please provide us with a list of reads

You've been a center of attention for the whole game, there are 7 pages and serious posts... like, if you actually tried to get reads, you at least have some by now.

Lumi · 2022-09-02 01:57:33

What the heck

Majority only?

Cringe

ShadowsEdge · 2022-09-02 02:49:31

I'll clarify very quickly, beep boop is me, that's what my discord name is, so it's what some people here primarily know me as so for any further notice if someone refers to beep or beep boop that's referring to me (it's also in my signature, I put that in a few games ago since I figured at some point something like this would happen)

I'll post more when I get home since as of right now I've only skimmed the thread to get an idea of what happened.

As for now though, the reads thus far feel odd, they tread this line of providing enough information while also doing nothing to move the game forward. Basically all the reads thus far have felt like just a way to seem more towny.

BuzzerBee, 2b55b5g

Lumi · 2022-09-02 02:50:48

@Marshmallow Marshall
@Nuclear Gandhi

How do you two know ElijahBaley?

Do I know ElijahBaley under some other name?

Lumi · 2022-09-02 03:07:46

What the hell I can't post because it says I'm a spammer

2b55b5g · 2022-09-02 03:15:04

i kinda skimmed through the thread since i can’t really read right now, i’ll backread again later

though i did see that Grilyon posted something, and i like his post, so i’ll unvote

!unvote

Lumi · 2022-09-02 03:19:18

@2b55b5g

Stupid forum won't let me quote your post, so this is about your reads list.

The heck? You like Shadow so far for his reads???

He's made like ZERO reads and the stuff he has said was hedged to hell

What actual read of his did you even like?

Lumi · 2022-09-02 03:21:44

pqwerty is town here

He made a post pointing out how ShadowsEdge doesn't have many reads - shows he's actually reading the game rather than just throwing out content to appear active.

Those of you that have been townreading ShadowsEdge for "having good reads" should feel bad - when you actually look at his posts it's soooo empty

ShadowsEdge

Lumi · 2022-09-02 03:22:14

Nuclear Gandhi is polarized

And just in his town meta. Like, literal shield this slot all the way until F3 town meta. EZ read

Lumi · 2022-09-02 03:22:46

Grilyon2 is town as well, he town-slipped here:

Grilyon2 wrote:

Ok I'm gonna explain myself
Firstly, it's my first time playing and never really saw anything related to past games, so I don't understand at all the slang, roles and so on. So, probably my assumptions will end up being poorly
That being said, what's the matter with unvoting and 'wait till night'?: I didn't want to vote because these two reasons: Trying to prevent my role being mistaken, and avoid a contraproductive vote. However, it's true that Gandhi wrote a well explained post about voting is beneficial in day 1, and now I understand even a new player should apply that. Now that I see it again, I think I should vote.
My vote and pqwerty woots: I believe in pqwerty anti-town role but not about him being aligned with town. I believe he tried to paint MM as a contradictory to feed its supposed role, because really (I) don't see how you can misunderstand that, then tried to rectify because it did not work as intended? That's why i wooted.
My second guess is Eliah since he has been voting with little info and said not voting pqwerty just because is not scum which I think is not true
Soo !Vote Pqwerty
Another thing, I don't know how does roles are distributed by the host, guessing that is randomized? However, wouldn't it be weird to give a newbie a mafia role, it could screw up easy

Good good

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