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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

hey nightmore do you play ctm

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

hey nightmore do you play ctm

°. Yup, I do.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

this is the april-may dump? can't wait for the next time musearys makes a dump!!!

n1kf makes a dump every two months
i take a dump every morning!

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

n1kf should see a doctor. Such constipation is bad

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

I'm here for another dump.

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▼2022-05-27 - Framerate

2022-05-27

i haz a question

what's the expected ee! fps

for someone that can run eeu at 60fps

:In ee!, there will be a minimum 60 fps cap that makes you unable to get fps below 60

If your game can't run ee! then idk what to say

I mean...

I hope it would be light as heck

I am not sure but hopefully 60fps for sure. I will ask to be sure. I don't see why the .exe version would have an FPS cap, on that note, so if your monitor can handle displaying more than 60fps, why not. I don't believe any calculations are performed via frame rate (unlike certain games I know...)

[...]

So I meant, EE! likely won't have any calculations based off of frame rate so having dynamic frame rate won't give anyone an advantage or disadvantage.

▼2022-05-28 - 2022-05-30 - Anticheat and bots

2022-05-28

I understand that the EE! client is restricted in handling movement, being checked more heavily for cheating than EE. I'm wondering if the same would apply to editing and viewing unseen parts of the map.

Part of the fun of free edit or open worlds is having the same creative freedom as other players. This is ruined when somebody uses a bot to troll it. Will EE! have checks for unwanted, cheated edits?

Restricting the client's knowledge of things it shouldn't have (like offscreen blocks, secret blocks, portal targets, or sign text) would make it a lot easier to hide secrets in a world, but if taken too far it may also mean some trouble for players with slow connections to the server. I wonder how a balance between the two would be found.

As mentioned before, EE! filters out inhuman input. I can't go into details, but if you edit way more than is humanly possible in a given time frame, it'll filter that out. Bots can't pretend to be clients, as they need to have signed API.

As for connectivity, the restriction we applied is specifically to make connection easier and faster-- when you are limited to a range of viewports (basically, viewport is what you see on screen, with an added grace of ten blocks on either side)-- 4 viewports to all directions afair, the amount of data you receive at once is trivial. If your connection is slow to the point that loading new chunks takes a long time... well, not much we can do there aside from telling you to try and get slightly faster internet.

Going into a bit more detail on that second point, think of it this way: our worlds are 1) much smaller in size than EE's are (talking data here) but store far more info, and 2) are slightly larger in size (talking dimensions here) than EE's were.
Now, if you were to hypothetically push that to a 100,000x100,000 map, in EE, I'm not sure what space that would take up, but in EE!, that would be around 4.5GB of space. At that point, instead of bombarding your browser (or .exe client) with 4.5GB data to download before you enter, we make you download the viewport of where you would spawn, and a range past that, limiting the data you receive to a few KB (AFAIR)

Oh, ok. It's good to know that these things are being considered. I'm satisfied with the answer about the edit anticheat.

One of the most memorable levels I played in EEU (not that there's much competition) appeared to be a free edit world, but it used vision zones to hide lots of secrets. If the client is fully aware of these things, that would still make these kinds of secrets possibly cheatable, though there would be workarounds from world owners to make this slightly harder (at the possible cost of level design).

Another possible issue is invisible blocks of any sort. To simulate physics precisely it's important that the client knows how the surroundings work. However, some of the "secrecy" would be lost if people can easily locate these things.

I enjoy finding secrets in EE, and I hope that EE! allows them to reach their full potential.

I am not sure how the server will share information with the client about vision zones in particular, but I can ask Fixel for you tomorrow, if you'd like!

My biggest concerns are if we are unable to have bots, then things like miner are impossible to do UNLESS the developers just made a surprise for us and added the plugin thingy into the game

I don't think it's ever been said you can't have bots... You can, but they are going to act like Discord bots, where they are like a separate "account" in a sense, or a plug in. They need to be approved by us, though, to prevent some wacky ones.
There's gonna be an api people can use, and so on...

so digbot possible in theory then?

Yes

2022-05-29

Damn I guess no more trolling worlds using eeditor

i think that might still be possible but unadvisable
altho i did enjoy those times where 2 eeditor bots fought over what existed

More than likely not, game recognises if it's impossible for a human to do

we will likely be fairly strict on inhuman input / using assist tools to cheat

2022-05-30

I think that the owner of a world should be able to disable the anticheat
Because if you wanted to use a bot in your own world, you should be able to

To make massive scale edits and such

Well, it's been said before: you can use bots, but only ones signed / approved by us. This is to ensure there won't be any bots that can do malicious activities.
As a player, though, you are expected to be human and not a bot. That more than likely won't be something we'd bend on.

we know how to detect humans from bots, don't worry. Clicks per second or presses per second have virtually nothing to do with it

I've seen that argument thrown around and it honestly means little, as usually the human limit isn't something we exactly look for / think about. That's not how we detect bots

Just because you are a world champion at clicking super fast per second doesn't mean you'll suddenly get banned for it. We can tell when it's human input, or when it's virtual input.
A better example, without getting too in depth into the system, is hardware limitation. Your hardware has a max amount of presses and clicks it can process, and even humans have an upper limit way past 14cps-- at a certain point it becomes physically impossible

▼2022-05-29 - Gameplay footage?

2022-05-29

I wish we would get a small glimpse at what gameplay looks eventually

you will! Hopefully soon

▼2022-05-30 - Response to Chinchilla smiley, and huge Jungle pack

2022-05-30

@Musearys I need to see concept of Chinchilla smiley :c

One day, abiqi... One day... Right now we are doing huge block pack

ooooo

what one

Jungle

wait is it an autotile pack?

Yes, both auto tile and without it

▼2022-05-30 - Cats and dogs

2022-05-30

Hm @Musearys question now

Are you planning to have a single smiley for cat/dog or you're doing like varieties/different species

Undecided but right now there's two different cats and dogs

Some generic gray cat and ginger cat, and a Shiba inu dog and another breed that idk

If we do different breeds of cats and dogs, someone would need to hold me because I'd do thousands of moths

Atlas moth, luna moth, rosy maple moth, etc

Also butterflies

Time to unleash the 4000 different bun smileys

There's a bunch of stuff related to management of the game. To summarize:
Satanya mostly just works on music and quality approval.
She considers her team very talented and has spent over $10,000 on the game.
Most of the developers are unavailable because of the war in Ukraine, and she recognizes there will be pressure to show off more of the game.
The game is planned to start with version 1.0.0.

Feel free to clarify or correct this because I don't feel like copying and pasting a bunch of messages right now.

▼2022-05-30 - "Huge secret"

2022-05-30

And a good chunk of what we did for EE is a huge secret I don't want to spoil

Because it'll probably be extremely unexpected and amazing to see finished

And as far as I've seen, no one guessed it yet, so I'm quite glad

▼2022-05-30 - 2022-06-01 - Monetization, shop, guns, magic, and lore

2022-05-30

I've stated it before, but monetisation isn't our focus right now on it, but more than likely, it won't be far off from what EE itself was like.
No ads though, because those suck

I don't like things like battle passes or constant in your face ads

Loot boxes suck

Atm shop is almost identical to EE, save for one difference.

Magic functions completely different

But that's about it

And I'm not gonna add ads!!!!

guns

Or guns

oh wait is magic like how eeu was intending to use it?

I didn't like eeu system either

I guess I'll shed light on how magic works, at least atm

It's a mix of EEU system and EE system

as long as it's not just get lucky by touching a coin

That's what EE and EEU were both like

In EE, you obtain magic coin and get a random reward. It could be anything, you don't know. Could be new block, new smiley, some energy, or just 1 energy

In EEU, magic coin gives you random value of Stardust and you could use it to buy items at magic shop

In EE!, it's kinda similar to both. You get one magic coin, and you can use that one coin to unlock any magic item you want, within a small selection.

Animated smileys and animated cosmetics are among the awards

As well as energy related stuff

So you literally pick

so no need to spend $50 for animated smiley anymore

that was strictly for just showing your support

they'll probably do something similar

most likely not a smiley

I never got that reward tier

For $250/m,even if it's one time payment, you get an award that's worth well over $1000?

In eeu, there were gonna be aura unlock trees

... with an additional currency type

EE had like 5 different currency types

all I remember from the document was eeu was supposed to be a story game and have actual lore LMAO

I'll have to check but I don't remember that being a thing in the eeu design doc

I don't think story is a bad idea but EE definitely isn't the type of game to weave intricate storylines in

Most I enjoy doing is with block packs, have hints at what their world might be like using specific aesthetics in background or technology with blocks, just to create some cohesion in terms of theme

Yeah that's not true

No lore for eeu

Yeah, as far as I remember, Xeno didn't want campaigns in eeu

Just curated worlds

As in, best worlds players make

Beat them and you level up, level up and you get "aura points", use them to unlock auras as long as you have enough aura points

EEU's plan that is

wouldn't be a bad idea imho, but I'd only really do that if cosmetics in that tree were free, but temporary. Like, each Halloween or somethin

i had an ee level that was basically a challenge in getting the most coins (one of them i think had 999 total)
wondering if there'd be a way to get magic coins in those types of worlds in ee!

Magic had specific criteria towards the end of EE

EE! also has strict criteria, so you feel more rewarded while you're active

In EE!, the system is different but also strict

2022-06-01

I remember when EEU's plan was to have an in world shop where you can buy effects with coins you collected

I have no idea how this would've scaled with worlds that have massive amount of coins or nearly none at all

But that was another currency type technically so ef that!

▼2022-05-30 - Levels

2022-05-30

Is EE! going to have levels like EE used to have for some time?

Probably not

Collecting the coins was fun, but the exp system it self was pretty much dividing the community

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But, maybe. If people want it to include that

Yes, the level system was bad as it was in done in EE, I think

A more cohesive and thought out system could work, but I didn't plan on it I don't think

▼2022-05-31 - Moving on from the past

2022-05-31

Question: What woudl you do if people got filled with nostalgia and disliked new added things and wanted old things that was in ee?

Well we are making a new game, and the testers need to understand that. Generally, we ignore feedback that's not useful like that

Heck, if we didn't, we'd have just made a messier version of EE

If we listen to just nostalgia filled feedback, we'd have a version of EE that uses everything from the game suggestions subforum. You can imagine how messy that would be

EE! plans to expand upon the potential of the old game to a great amount that it would hardly be considered a "remake" like (i believe) the EE that xeno was owner of (if my EE lore is correct),
EE! would more be considered a new game with the spirit of EE still living in it, if that makes sense, although someone who knows more can correct me if i got something wrong

EE is an old game that survived ten years, way, way longer than many multi-player games today

It had many owners pass through it with their own visions, and by the end it got a tad messy

Our goal is to make a new entry that builds upon the foundation of what EE was, but expanded upon greatly, like a logical continuation.

Where you look at a new feature and go, "oh yeah, that makes sense, about time..."

We want to create a much more unified game with a solid vision, one that can appeal to old and new players, and, hopefully, last at least another ten years.

▼2022-06-01 - Dev smileys?, hermit crabs, ferrets, and smiley graphics!!

2022-06-01

I should make a Musearys smiley

Pink moth smiley when

When you commission it

Time to commish smileys of every de

Still disappointed there's no Hermit crab pet ngl

there's a hermit crab smiley

but just for you Zoey

I will add a hermit crab pet

a small hermit crab that follows only you

[...]

where Fet smiley

I am HALF tempted to give that smiley like an extra long noodly body as it moves but it'd look weird af

[...]

moth smiley is best smiley

baby

fluffy baby

two beauties

butterfly and moth

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well we got a goblin smiley and kobold one... so wHY NOT!

[...]

no, kobold > goblin

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best smiley ever, aside from moth, no arguments there yeah? yeah

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

Tbh i'm just impressed this project is still ongoing and not completely dead.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

Tbh i'm just impressed this project is still ongoing and not completely dead.

we won't let the project die.
Just that stuff might be slow during this time period, especially with most of our devs out of commission. But, at the very least, it allows us to focus on other aspects of the game with a bit less of a time constraint.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

wow, i wish that were me

Victoria

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

°. what?

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

edit: Finally changed the thread title from "Hints and leaks of future updates" to "Hints and leaks of unannounced content" to reflect that it's not about game updates anymore. I chose unannounced instead of future, since I've used this thread to post about cancelled content.

▼June (images only)

▼June

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Actual reindeer - 2022-06-04

There is a proper reindeer in EE!, at least

Tiki torches and Hawaii pack - 2022-06-05

can we get tiki torches and hawaii pack

that's a cool idea

Texture packs - 2022-06-08

i think ee! needs texture packs that get applied to the client
or maybe some presets (also don't forget to have staff approve them if they're coming from the community)

places lamps in pentagram

muse you could add as many moths as you'd like if texture/resource packs are a thing

Well, it takes a long time as it is to get many of the art assets done, and to have more variants atop of that, it wouldn't be feasible for us to create any "first party" texture packs.

Given that custom clients are allowed, folks can just make their own

Many of the autotile blocks fall under their own templates, and block packs are fairly large. It takes a good while to get one block pack done, so to double or even triple that for extra versions wouldn't be a good approach, imho! But if anyone wants to create their own block packs and package them as a custom client / mod, why not?

Customization - 2022-06-08

well even the basic / default aura looks a tad different from EE one

But I'm ok with multicoloured ones, like, say, as magic award. Gradient stuff, maybe multiple colours if it applies

Pride Auras when

Defo gonna have those!

I think it was requested before

and I liked that idea

You have customisation with smileys. Some default bases— say, a default smile or a dog smiley or a moth smiley, and then accessories to top that. So, I can like, have a moth smiley wearing a top hat with sunglasses.
As for making decoration blocks that look like smileys, that's probably not gonna be a thing

Gambling, I mean loot boxes - 2022-06-09

Tho I thought it's more than obvious that we aren't adding lootboxes... I guess not obvious for everyone 😔

Creative director - 2022-06-10

Though I ought to clarify again-- I'm not the "boss" of that company by all means, I am simply creative director for the game

Meaning, my job in EE! is literally to write out design document and specify exactly what the game must have. All new features, ideas, etc. go through me

I also am doing music but that's about it. I direct, I outline the direction EE! takes, and then once it's out, I continue directing what each new update should do and include

Based - 2022-06-11

rava did this world

I want to make one of the bgs for the game based off of this

Nice reference

2022-06-12 - Lore

I don't think EE needs direct lore

But I'm a fan of indirect lore

Things that are hinted at by backgrounds or tilesets for example

2022-06-12 - Easter eggs and eggshells

any plans on adding some neat easter eggs

t's a boring game if there's no Easter eggs

For the most part I'm against exclusive smileys

Satanya talks about the eggshell smiley here, but we already know it exists.

Even the background in that winter bg has an Easter egg and reference to old EE world

Safe to say this game is chock-full of them

exactly, how many eastereggs are there?

Anywhere between one and a thousand

2022-06-12 - Here be a single dragon

Well we have one dragon atm, I doubt we'll do thousands of variants

[...]

Animated smileys are in but dragons probably isn't one of them

2022-06-12 - Spikes

I want classic spikes (with proper hitboxes; they feel off in EEO) but I also want a tile that's a single huge spike.

I don't think they'll be any different from how they functioned in EE. Hitbox size and such is obviously subject to change but even if they stay as is, we won't promote levels like that spike one

2022-06-12 - In-game sprite maker

will there be an in-game sprite maker that we could submit to add them to the game OR that we can use IN OUR WORLD

Probably not

2022-06-12 - World curation and verification

will we have to verify levels kinda like mario maker?

[...]

Well it's like classic EE in that regard. Make whatever world you want, that's the whole point of everybody editing.
Curated worlds or whatever we call them will have to be verified

that'd end free edits and boss worlds

True. That overlooks a lot of worlds that are bot run also

I think we had a talk in the eeo discord, verified levels would have a checkmark beside them meaning it's fully play-tested and then have an x for non playtested levels

but I feel like people would create some great levels and the x would demotivate people from playing their levels

it's kinda complicated

I'm not into the idea tbh

I just think it would prevent stuff like endless pain because nobody really liked spike levels in the game

it's not fun to new players who are trying to enjoy themselves casually and play ee!

then they join a level thats impossible bs

Don't join them.

Levels like endless pain or whatever aren't gonna be curated

But if people want to make levels like that, so be it. That's the whole point of Everybody Edits, not restricting ideas

curated levels are officially made by the staff team?

or tested*

Curated levels will be community made maps we feature for a while

I'm not sure how world curation will work, but we'd probably select a world we really like and think makes great use of features

another question I have you know how mario maker levels have a speedrun and a first clear display on the world

will ee! have something like this

Curated worlds will have them. For noncurated worlds, we'll see. Maybe we'll add a feature where you can tick it and have it enabled on your world if it applies.

so is there going to be like a weekly mix, the best levels chosen by the staff from the previous week?

you can click the weekly mix to find the best levels

Likely yep, either that or one world daily

Weekly is more comfortable

Gives everyone time

2022-06-12 - Rewards, Crown Smileys, and achievements

im a huge speedrunner and love to see statistics like those, just wondering if u guys plan to do anything speedrun related

Not to spoil too much but there is a reward for speedrunning and setting the highest record

like extra energy for the energy shop or something?

No, cooler

Not energy related

wait what happens if you keep breaking your own best record

Best of 24hrs

It's something called a Crown Smiley

🤐

wouldn't that be exploited a lot? like, you can make a world then have an alt of you just speedrun it?

It's only on curated worlds

Crown Smileys are a feature I'm looking forward to most

As mentioned, again, the prize is for best of time in a 24hr period. Once you obtain it, you can't obtain it again for a month.

Crown Smileys are a feature I'm looking forward to most

Well one of

how many achievements will be there in ee!?

Things like, "how many x in EE" I can't answer. The answer will always change. We had 40 smiley bases at first, then we had ideas for way more.

Quantity is always in flux

2022-06-12 - helo

helo is our new woot

No way I'm not referencing it in EE!

2022-06-12 - Finding yourself

oh yeah last thing I have for today, are you guys going to have a transparency options for players

If worlds get too big, I feel like it would be difficult to find yourself so maybe by default the game highlights your smiley and puts it in front of everyone else

one of the things I had trouble in ee was when there was too many players it made it difficult to find yourself

That's a cool idea.

I'll write it down

2022-06-12 - Likes and dislikes

oh ya do you guys plan to add an old like/dislike system at least

Like woots?

Yeah

Woots

2022-06-12 - Turbofusion Minisuggestion (WOOT IF YOU GET THE REFERENCE!!)

When the game is actually up do you guys plan to add a discord connection between ee! and here or like an option to drop ur yt if you're partnered to make ee! content

That might be cool. We did have basic plan for forum integration

But we'll see how feasible that is

Like, say, you click on my username in forums, you'll see my profile info in it

Smileys I own, world's I have, etc

Worlds

2022-06-12 - Smileys!

🥺 👉 👈  more sneak peak pls??

Goblin smiley?

I wanna post raccoon but I know someone will go "ew"

"it looks bad"

There's always people like that

so I will do it first

ew look at this horrible smiley

it sucks

now let's give it a tophat

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how bout raccoon with sunglasses

(Filenames: raccoon.png, sunglassesraccoon.png)

snazzy raccoon

(Filename: snazzyraccoon.png)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachment … lasses.png

(Filename: MothyGlasses.png)

The server uses the Moth with glasses as an emoji.

do u guys have a tiny beanie hat

not yet, I commished 40+ cosmetics from the artist a week ago

:Octo smiley pls
we gonna have it

octo

Izzy

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Don't know if this is any different from the last time the Bunny was posted.

best smiley that got scrapped when we had vector art

that is supposed to be a leech

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leech with scrapped witch hat

(Filenames: leechcosmetics2Artboard_14x.png, leechcosmeticsArtboard_14x.png)

I am almost scared to ask

But did the leech make it as a pixel smiley as wel?

it will

it has to now

O god

it became a meme, it has to be pixelated

[...]

this is what it ended up looking after some drafts.

Yuk

Certainly makes me uncomfortable

wait till you see vector bruce

vector moth smiley

looking thru other scrapped things we had

I won't post too many

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giftbox tophat for Christmas cosmetics

it got pixelated also

turning red moment

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I wonder how many times I've misspelled Musearys without catching the typo.

I'll have to go back for a few more later.

edit: Put stuff in spoilers, plus an images-only section.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

Here's some more June stuff, including some more things I skipped last time, but no images.

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2022-06-04 - Contests

Contests will more than likely be back

To what capacity, IDK. But I doubt there'd be super exclusive content. I personally am not too into content that appears once, and if you miss it, well, too bad.

2022-06-07 - Replace tool

fill tool would be nice but what if i only wanna change a certain amount, or change different blocks into the same one

Wouldn't this essentially work like a "replace" tool?

made me think of GameMaker Studio's replace tool, I click on a red pixel with blue colour selected and all red pixels turn blue

I'll write that one down, why not

Sounds like a neat idea / tool to have!

not the first new feature I'd write in this month

2022-06-07 - Dragons and smiley variants

Guys I got the purple dragon smiley

Totally not lying

It definitely exists

And I got it yes

I'm torn on having dragons in EE!, let alone that many

There'd have to be some form of the Smiley Variants feature

for that to even work

2022-06-07 - Tiki torches and Hawaii pack PART 2

From this, can we get Hawaii Pack and Tiki torches in it

maybbeee

2022-06-14 - Satanya's interpretation of smileys. Is this LORE?

Is the jungle face meant to be a human face? Do smileys know about humans?

well, I always see smileys as just an abstraction of an actual form

I don't think that, in their world, they are actual balls rolling around

especially considering the desert pack has bones of creatures long gone and stuff like tents / fences made of bone

if those creatures were added, they would be made into smileys to fit with the artstyle but it doesn't mean that's what they are

so I'd say jungle face is really just another perspective of what they might look like, using a different medium

But then what about limbs like arms and legs, how do those work

well, as I said, I think that smileys is just one perspective of what they are like. Uh, if I were to describe it any other way... let's see

Similar to what stick figures are to us

They are just a representation of human form, it doesn't mean that humans look like that necessarily

We have cave drawings, hieroglyphs, and each provide like a different perspective of our form, but neither really expresses it 100% accurately

in the context of the game and its world, smileys are just the simplest way to interpret their constant changing appearance

the jungle block is like a different "artstyle" of it in a way

2022-06-15 - Item descriptions

You know what I miss from EE?

Item descriptionssss

those were awesome!

2022-06-15 - Hair cones?

Anya reference in EE!.

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yes! Her hair cone thingies

2022-06-15 - Limited time items

Seasonal items that cycle back every year, yes. Items that'll disappear forever, more than likely never.

Unless it's a one time charity event for some cause

Folding @ Home smileys confirmed? 😄

I do think some kind of "unobtainable" stuff can be neat. Like having something to show off that you were at a certain time/period active

Don't think blocks would be good for that though

boooo

maybe just a custom badge or something

Aye, maybe.

You know what could be cool? (Just got this idea from looking at funposting)

A badge you can get off of devs...

And other people who have the badge.

So it kinda "spreads" naturally.

It's a much fairer and obtainable badge than "Meet The Devs" or whatnot.

Well dev badges in a profile would represent who worked on the game, not who met them. 😅 But the idea of "infectious" content like that is something we already had in mind for a while

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

▼Just the image

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▼2022-06-20 - Satanya asks for cosmetic ideas

Hmu with cosmetic ideas

Hats, glasses, capes, wings, go wild

(not too wild)

Animated tiny Moon accessory that orbits around you.

(Musearys uses :heart: reaction.)

Oo I like that

(Musearys pins the message.)

A floating balloon that follows you?

Totally not inspired by it

(Musearys uses :heart: reaction.)

yes!

(Musearys pins the message.)

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Abiqi's "flower hat which lets out some kind of spores or etc?" message doesn't get a response from Musearys, and neither does Albcatmaster's "maybe new death effects? Death and respawn effects."

Tbh a cute idea could actually be beards/moustaches. Like wasn’t :3 the only smiley with sort of looking moustache?

(Izzy responds with :rabbit2:. Don't know if this means anything.)

▼2022-06-21 - Satanya asks for cosmetic ideas, part 2

devil horns

(Musearys reacts with :heart:.)

headset with mic

headband

hairstyles

cat/fox/bnuuy/etc ears (Musearys responds with :heart.)

animated flames (Musearys responds with :heart.)

bubble trail (Musearys responds with :heart.)

friction sparks against surfaces (Musearys responds with :heart.)

death effects

physics-based scarf/tail (Izzy and Musearys respond with :woot:.)

manga style iconography. Cruciform (anger), sweat drop, growing/shrinking bubble on mouth (sleeping)

animated zZz

flag showing death count (Musearys responds with :heart.)

greyscale smiley effect

coloured speech bubbles or customisable bubble borders

dust cloud when landing

trail that indicates when ur accelerating vs at constant/max speed

legs

bowtie, ribbon, sash, medal pin

balloon

scuba gear

birthday cake crown (Musearys responds with :heart.)

mist/haze/cloud in front of smiley

electricity crackling effect

upside down effect

sandwich/burger hat (Musearys responds with :heart.)

oversized curly moustache

shapeshifting - cycle randomly through the smileys you own at whatever interval

not entirely cosmetic effect that kills you if you’re still for too long

▼2022-06-22 - Campaigns and game modes

I mean, personally I had mixed feelings on the extreme campaigns

and the insane campaigns

Fractured Fingers was an awesome campaign and it took me years to complete, but I did it eventually

I beat the first three tiers of Bittersweet after that but I really don't much like the rest of the Extreme campaigns

Insane campaigns were a mistake. They made the median difficulty Medium-Hard (if I remember correctly) and that's just so yikes, most people have trouble finishing even those

the median should have always been Medium

And to be honest, I like the idea of campaigns but there needs to be cooler ideas for levels

beat all the minis and collect all the coins is cool and all but it makes up the majority of levels

and there's nothing wrong with that, but like

idk, I dont know how one would solve this issue

Platform Racing 2 had alternative win conditions for levels. There's a race which is very much like how EE's worlds work but with a timer. Then there's a deathmatch, and you could use swords and lasers to eliminate enemies and win by being the last one standing. And then there's Hat Attack which is the same thing but instead you have to have all players' hats on your head for 10 seconds to win.

And then Alien Eggs game mode but nobody talks about that one

The issue with worlds like that is that it would be such a huge bottleneck for players wanting to beat campaigns

like imagine how cool a King of the Hill sort of world would be

EE actually had crowns

so like, imagine a gamemode where if you eliminate the player with the crown and keep it for the longest, you win

that would be so cool

I agree. On one hand, heavily skillbased campaigns were cool, but on another hand, most of them were, imho, fairly cheap. Like, to compare it with other games, imagine you play an RPG and choose "hard" difficulty, and the only thing it does is boost the enemy's HP by 10x.
I mean, sure, that makes it harder. Does it make it fun? Good? Imho, no. It's artificial difficulty, especially when paired with lesser known nuances of the physics engine for new players.

I think my main issue is that the campaigns generally, to me, felt like they had no sense of progression between different types. From what I've played, I never felt like completing, say, an Easy campaign equips me with the skills necessary to beat a Medium campaign

yeah that's huge

I didnt even think of that

the only canpaign that gives you anything is the tutotials

and like

😐

they were cool but

wow

If there was general progression between campaigns that naturally teaches you skillsets needed for the following campaign, that'd be more acceptable to me.

but as they were done in EE, I'm not for them.

I suppose it would be cool to have easy, medium, hard difficulty campaigns

only if completing an easy campaign teaches you enough to beat the first level of medium campaign, and then you gradually learn from there to master the "Medium" difficulty, and be ready to move on to Hard.
But things like spike worlds, minigames where you need to rely on the grid snapping mechanic, and so on... I think they were nice worlds and I can see merit in them, but I don't think they made for good campaigns.

▼2022-06-22 - The little things (image included)

EE worlds always felt a bit empty though

certainly the campaign ones

especially when no one played there

Yeah, I hope EE does have some non static decoration too

that would also help a lot to make the whole 'world' feel less static

and empty

and certainly music!

If EE! can fix those 2 things it will already be a major improvement imo

one of the things I touched on before is that I believe the world needs minor touches to feel "alive"

Small things that are innocuous yet add so much

An example I love to fall back on is grass

In EE it was static, but in EE!, grass waves and sways as you pass through it

it's a really small touch but it really does help give so much feeling

One thing I've been considering on adding is some ambient sounds

(selectable by player of course)

But I'm not 100% sure on it yet

After Anti_Dragon jokes that we're getting Minecraft cave sounds, Musearys re-emphasizes her last point, that she's not 100% sure on it.

@Musearys what if leaf blocks (for example autumn pack’s) give off particles of falling leaves

(Stellaria responds with :orange-heart:.)

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But yes, that'd be cool

Probably would have to be tree decos

and anyways

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▼2022-06-24 - Smiley hitbox

will the hitbox of the smiley be off centered like in ee?

why would it be off-centered?

Actually for most action blocks marked in red pixel is made the hitbox of the smilley, like if you touch spikes they don't kill you if your edge touches thier edge. Your center has to be in the area of the block to make them desintegrate you. Same with gravity, boosts, switches, ladders and etc.. That's why half-blocks don't work well in centrain cases.
As you see the size of the hitbox is one pixel and it's not att the exact center for 16x16 smilley.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachment … nknown.png

well, that just sounds more like an issue with EE's implementation than anything. I'm not too sure of how we will implement hitboxes quite yet. So maybe same issue will exist, maybe not. I don't believe that hitboxes have to necessarily be based off of the smiley sprite itself

The conversation seems to still be on-going, so we may get more about this.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

Insane campaigns were a mistake. They made the median difficulty Medium-Hard (if I remember correctly) and that's just so yikes, most people have trouble finishing even those
just think about it, geometry dash median is easy demon
Platform Racing 2 had alternative win conditions for levels.
Just think about it, high score campaign, speedrun campaign, and etc
so like, imagine a gamemode where if you eliminate the player with the crown and keep it for the longest, you win
that need bot, and a bot campaign... just think about it, many player already blame for super ee party, because they can't find friend
I agree. On one hand, heavily skillbased campaigns were cool, but on another hand, most of them were, imho, fairly cheap.
they should campaign my world, jk
so you guy just want this
campaign 1: advanced tutorial
that with hook jump, edge, speed control
campaign 2: ultimate challenge
which have best of master1, alesmile and my insane world, prob not lictor because it annoying for me
alesmile have some good mini, master1 have some fun gamemode
campaign 3: bot campaign
just a bot open every day
campaign 4: boring score
contain boring movement, boring money, boringness management, idk why i make 3 high score world lol
im not a parkour fans because parkour hurt my hand but spike dont

btw, for game mode that set to world option, better make it as a block to test it ingame, like collect coin = coin door, speedrun = poison effect(but i think add a timer block, timer door, and timer reseter will be better), multiplayer tester = crown+globe switch, and etc
and player will find more use for them, because they can test it as anytime and anywhere

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

just think about it, geometry dash median is easy demon

That doesn't take away from my point

that need bot, and a bot campaign.

It can very easily just be a hardcoded feature in the game

just think about it, many player already blame for super ee party, because they can't find friend

There were two things that made Mario Party a bottleneck. First, it sucked when people were playing already, it took hours to actually get a game, and it sucks if one person disconnected. Second, it sucked when the level was dead because nobody would play with you.

Both issues can be fixed if, a) you can make multiple instances of a level across different servers, and b) you implement AI players.

so you guy just want this
campaign 1: advanced tutorial
that with hook jump, edge, speed control
campaign 2: ultimate challenge
which have best of master1, alesmile and my insane world, prob not lictor because gameplay bad
campaign 3: bot campaign
just a bot open every day
campaign 4: boring score
contain boring movement, boring money, boring management, idk why i make 3 high score world lol

I feel as though you've got the wrong idea of what I want for campaigns. I think hard worlds are cool and players whi beat them are incredible, but I don't like the idea that a large amount of the campaigns are unbeatable by 99% of the game's playerbase. That being said, regular campaigns themselves can get boring really fast, so alternative game modes for campaigns would really freshen gameplay for experienced players who now don't have Extreme campaigns to blaze past.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

That doesn't take away from my point
but many player play geometry dash and they are having fun, and we have advanced tutorial
There were two things that made Mario Party a bottleneck. First, it sucked when people were playing already, it took hours to actually get a game, and it sucks if one person disconnected. Second, it sucked when the level was dead because nobody would play with you.

Both issues can be fixed if, a) you can make multiple instances of a level across different servers, and b) you implement AI players.
1 is good, but for AI player, they should make moveable fake player as block first, you can set them movement(and with many state), so you can build a weak robot in your world, that will be cool
and add a bot campaign will be better, so player can play ex shift, bombot, and drawbot, digbot every day

I feel as though you've got the wrong idea of what I want for campaigns. I think hard worlds are cool and players whi beat them are incredible, but I don't like the idea that a large amount of the campaigns are unbeatable by 99% of the game's playerbase. That being said, regular campaigns themselves can get boring really fast, so alternative game modes for campaigns would really freshen gameplay for experienced players who now don't have Extreme campaigns to blaze past.
boring score, and bot campaign, isnt they are freshen gameplay?
for ultimate challenge, just a better version of worst campaign with better minigame, like trial & terror is better version of perpetual frustration campaign
so you guy will not say it just 10x hp blabla, because it was actually fun

and, the final thing is, player should be able to build all campaign world (can use bot) in his world

btw, i already "ran out" of spike level, i want play more but nobody build them

i need moveable fake player with state system in eeo, like, state 1 is go left, state 2 is do a hook jump and etc, and you can change state random(or collect a coin, hit a switch or etc)
so i can do something funny in my world lol, like make a map and watch them racing, make a video world about ee online memory, and make playable death run
edit: i think one insane campaign is enough, and it need less themed campaign (like spring, summer, christmas, cave, mountain, etc) just think about it, 1 speedrun, 1 bouncy, 1 looks can deceive, 1 high score, 2 puzzle pack, 1 non-stop, 1 story time, 1 altered reality, 4 extreme, 1 insane, 1 tutorial, and all other them are themed campaign(remember we have total 42 campaign)

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

EE Campaigns are cool, I remembered being a fan of playing the advent calendar campaign in December being the first to compete in the worlds being featured in the advent calendar campaign, and my interest of it was the rewards. The rewards of the final tier really encourages me to fight through these really hard campaign worlds. Back in the days where advent calendar was on going, I never knew what to expect for beating all 25 campaign worlds in the advent calendar campaign, and yes. I had to experience playing hard worlds that I never imagined before. Beating the worlds is satisfying, difficulty variety makes it fun. The reward for the final tier makes up for all the effort I put into this campaign. That's right. 25 Gems and some increased max energy from previous tiers.

Campaign rewards is the reason why I play campaigns xD. I think the problem with campaigns is that the rewards aren't that attractive, appealing or worth it. Like, who plays a full run of a hard summer campaign for just a mere 3 gems for four tiers you have to beat. This isn't really enough for the effort I put onto this campaign. Like +100 energy. That is literally nothing. Sure, you can show off how good you are with badges but its just a cosmetic. Campaigns use dedication and time you put into in a single world. This is just my opinion BTW.

I never really played hard campaigns xD
I wasn't really ready for it, or it felt like. Its not worth it for the rewards and time I put onto. I like playing campaigns in increasing difficulty.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

trigdawig did you play my world it has spikes in it its called WORLD DISORDER you might like it but its pretty easy STILL takes some time though to beat

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

I wasn't really ready for it, or it felt like. Its not worth it for the rewards and time I put onto. I like playing campaigns in increasing difficulty.

I think that the main issue, to me, with campaigns is that their difficulty didn't quite "scale." As mentioned in the Discord (and posted here by N1KF), the issue I find is that beating an Easy campaign won't necessarily equip me with the skills I need to beat the next campaign. There's no sense of continuity. It was the more extremely difficult campaigns where this exact issue is more noticeable, ones that require you to know specific nuances of the engine that weren't covered before, they just appear out of nowhere because they became a trend.

If we were to reintroduce campaigns (no promises, I highly doubt that we will), I'd want them to have some continuity amongst each other, and involve the community a tad in their creation, as long as they are set within a consistent theme. Say, there's a Medium campaign set in a desert, I want it to gradually shift towards a forest, and have the next campaign take place there. I'd want the skills you pick up in Medium campaign and the practice you get be enough to let you pass through the first world in Hard campaign.

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This "Lack of continuity" largely stems from how wide the skill gap in the game is. Just like how the difference in difficulty between basic and hard levels is incredibly large, the difference in skill between new players and experienced ones is large as well. The reason a campaign doesn't necessarily feel like it prepares you for one in the next difficulty is because, even though EE campaigns have 9 unique difficulties (not including insane), the gap between each is so wide that 5 Everybody Edits levels is just not going to provide a player with enough practice to climb to the next step in the difficulty ladder.

The Campaign System had a lot of problems, but the lack of continuity between each campaign really was not one of them. That problem stems more from the nature of the game as a whole. If you want to prepare players with the skills needed to start from Basic levels and end at Hard ones (not even extreme, just hard), you're going to need a lot more than 5 levels per difficulty.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

That may be so, but I wouldn't be able to agree or disagree with you here... It is, in the end, my opinion and just that. 

I do think the disjointed difficulty curve as well as lack of continuity is what turned me away from campaigns, personally. I would handle them a lot differently if they were to return, which would be extremely unlikely. And even between this large skill gap, having a way to lead-in to each one would have solved many of my own gripes with it. As I mentioned, I do believe that campaigns should've equipped the player with skills necessary for the next difficulty level. Whether that is within 5 worlds or 10, doesn't matter. Not an exact "spoonfeeding" of skill, but enough to give you enough skill to handle at least the first few portions of the next campaign difficulty (first few minigames of the first world), and have it reinforce your skill before ramping up difficulty.

A lack of smooth gradient between difficulty makes it feel as though you've made no progress. If I beat a Medium difficulty campaign and I can't even handle a Hard campaign after that, it feels like I haven't learned anything or made any real progress.

the gap between each is so wide that 5 Everybody Edits levels is just not going to provide a player with enough practice to climb to the next step in the difficulty ladder.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't most difficulties have more than 5 worlds? I remember there being several campaigns with Easy difficulty, as an example.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't most difficulties have more than 5 worlds? I remember there being several campaigns with Easy difficulty, as an example.

ya, this is more referencing the idea of having some sort of transition between two campaign themes (like the desert -> forest idea), as this would either require a very small gap in difficulty or many consecutive worlds to have a smooth difficulty curve

A lack of smooth gradient between difficulty makes it feel as though you've made no progress. If I beat a Medium difficulty campaign and I can't even handle a Hard campaign after that, it feels like I haven't learned anything or made any real progress.

I think the main problem here is how arbitrary and subjective difficulty is. The gap between Medium and Hard is pretty large, and the practice someone needs to take on the next difficulty varies from person to person. In Mario maker for instance, if someone beats a few Expert levels, they aren't necessarily equipped to take on a Super Expert one, but through repetition and practice of these easier levels they can get there in the end. I think as long as EE! has many options for levels of each type of difficulty, with some way to incentivize/encourage them to try them out, they'll naturally improve and challenge themselves to the harder difficulties. I'm not saying quantity over quality... but quantity is pretty important lol

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Insane campaigns were a mistake. They made the median difficulty Medium-Hard (if I remember correctly) and that's just so yikes, most people have trouble finishing even those

the median should have always been Medium

Worst is the only insane campaign and that was an Easter Egg campaign that was never intended to be seen in the same way as the rest. I also don't really think "Median difficulty" is a fair point to make - If you lay out all of the campaigns and sort them by difficulty, the median difficulty is in fact medium, as there are more basic to medium campaigns than medium-hard to extreme. I get that extreme campaigns are definitely not for everyone, but they aren't supposed to be. Giving more experienced players the means to challenge themselves if they want is a good thing, and it is incredibly satisfying to complete these levels.

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The most major fault in the campaign system was that my mental degradation level wasn't in it.

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I think the current plans for EE!'s featured levels will nicely fit the main thing that EE's campaigns aimed to achieve. If 'campaigned' worlds were to return, I do think that their main purpose should be to teach new skills rather than it being about rewards, a sense of achievement for level makers, or a challenge for platformers.

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

the harder levels were never rly about the reward imo, just satisfactory of doing something really difficult was enough. yeah an issue is that the arrow levels don't teach you much as they're more based on muscle memory and it's like once ykyk, the extreme levels are really cool because they force you to learn every known skill in ee's belt. effects, smiley control, speed control, momentum, and consistency when it comes to precision levels/basic spike jumps. I don't disagree either though, think I learned more from regular levels than playing the campaigns for a long time. The easy levels are far too easy and don't push the player to learn anything new, harder levels are too difficult for their own good so at times you're just bashing your head against a wall. difficult to find an in between

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Re: Hints and leaks of unannounced content

If this interrupts the campaign talk, it might be worth splitting it into its own thread.

▼2022-06-28 - Early access, and what EEU did wrong

Yo I have insane idea that no other game dev thought about. EVER.
So what if JUST IN THEORY EE! was released in functioning state, so players can play it AND just simply updating it with new blocks, smileys and features overall while its ALREADY released and people play it.
I know, its crazy idea that no one thought about ever, especially for a smaller game that is not developed by large company?

MartenM and Tomahawk talk for a bit.

I'm not quite in favour of "early access" type of models

I think that the game that you get on your lap when you can play / buy it would set all the expectations from the get-go. If I get an unfinished game that gets updated with minute content, I usually don't enjoy it, as I have no incentive to play it before it fully launches, tbh!

Reminds me of how Ridge Racer on the PS Vita handled it. They released a game with like 3 cars and 2 courses full price, and added more race tracks and cars as DLC, so you'd end up just getting what essentially is a glorified tech demo

there's other reasons why eeu wasn't popular, but releasing a beta was maybe one of them

people turned up, saw there wasn't much, and weren't interested

:I would argue that "releasing" EEU while EE was still up was one of the bigger reasons. It essentially fostered an environment where EEU had to compete against EE, and with so little to show, there was no reason for EE's playerbase to stay in EEU

everything in that era could've been executed way better

▼2022-06-28 - Incentives to keep playing, and appeal to players

EEU didn't have the shop implemented, which was my main issue. Practically the only thing that brought me back to EE on the daily was spending my energy on worlds and stuff. Will EE! have a similar incentive for daily visits?

Likely yes, but as I've mentioned before, monetisation is one of the last things we worry about. My main focus is making sure we have a good game, and then worrying about how we make it self-sustainable.

So it means that you are making EE! not just for EE players, but for the other gamers too?

Well, yes. I think EE! has something for everyone in it. From veterans, to casual EE players, to potentially new ones.