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frostflare · 2022-05-09 00:38:38

Hello, It's me silvermoonLight. Some of you know me as that weirdo who spent my free time draining the entire swamp in the Demo of Dragon Quest builders 1 back in late March of 2019 while I was still deciding if I wanted to buy the game.
(ps. I bought the game.)

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After being requested by someone to do part 3 of the EE fanfiction. Or a thread with my unique hot take explaining what I didn't like about Sailor Moon. Looking back on this in retrospect? The person who requested this probably didn't want me to
leave and tried to come up with any excuse to get me to stay. I didn't feel like doing both so I decided to let the EE community vote in a secret undisclosed poll that was voted upon by how many views a single Mittopia photo gather compared to a
single Sailor Moon picture got in my cringe fic. And no surprise base off the thread title, this won.

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The number of views on that photo has me a bit concern people are specifically viewing that picture for ''scientific research.''

I know some of you on discord were extremely annoyed at the tangents I went on about the show when the new movie was coming out. So I figured it would just be for the best to say I didn't like it in my last post I purposely made super cringy and move on. Yeah... for those of you who weren't in on the joke? Everything except for the Q & A I purposely design with the intention of giving our forum moderator stage 4 colon cancer knowing full well he had to read through the entire thing.

Why would I be that evil? For payback of course! He decided to troll me in-game back in late 2020 while I was AFK, and I took it personally! So I trolled him back through the help of inspiration from stories written by adolescence I found on Fanfiction.Net. My trolling didn't Work and he treated it like was just another Monday he had to deal with. Or maybe he cried alone later that night after he had logged off... I'll have to try harder next time.

It was still funny seeing the community's different hilarious mix reactions to my post. Especially the one guy who wanted the throw hands with a fictional man. Because oh yes! A pretty man is definitely going to magically come through your computer screen and steal ''Your Woman!'' But I digress. Look, I already know this post is probably going to ruffle some jimmies in the Sailor Moon community if it's ever seen. And knowing my luck? I'm going to get a few crazies showing up here creating accounts just to tell me off about how wrong I am despite any evidence I show to back up my claims. Because sadly in every community there's always that one guy.

Seriously though, I was kind of hoping Miitopia would win since everything that has been said about Sailor Moon has been said to death already. And especially since modern day Nintendo is a bit more lenient then Toei when it comes to any negative criticism of their intellectual properties. So if you see any of the footage I am about to post below suddenly vanish. Or if Different55, if you get a Email from Toei Animations allegedly asking for this to be deleted? That's why.

I suppose I should mention now before I continue any further with this. If you're from the Sailor Moon community and stumble across this thread by (Insert reason here.)
Please know that there maybe some things said in this thread that you may find difficult to swallow.

I may have watched the show and read the manga. And I know a lot about it since I grew up with it. (Thanks to the fact my older sister being obsessed with the show when we were kids.) But I'm not a fan of Sailor Moon or Naoko. If I were to ever meet her in real life? No offense, but her and I probably wouldn't even get along since I actively avoid people over the age of 9 years old like the plague who refer to themselves with titles like ''Princess.'' Because each and everyone of them tend to possess very similar personality traits that I don't mesh well with.

My personal taste in media would have to go to series like this.

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Note: If your easily offended? Don't look up anything about Yu Yu Hakusho. (aka Poltergeist Report) If you decide to check it out anyways, get offended and try to cancel the show or creator for (Insert reason here.) Just know that Togashi's fanbase won't tolerate it.

I may have preferred the manga over the 90s adaptation. But the manga had many flaws that should have been addressed and fix in the new reboot of Crystal. (Lol, they weren't.)

This thread is essentially just one giant rant and I won't be going over every thing about Sailor Moon. All videos and imagery I'm using in this thread I obtained through public sites that can be viewed by literally anyone with a device that connects to the internet. I will also be talking about spoilers and very sensitive subject matter such as under age drinking and relationships, self-harm, suicide, death and incest. (Because nothing was sacred in this show.) All while trying to keep this as family friendly as possible. So if that offends anyone in any way? Leave now because if you decide to stay beyond this point? That's your own fault and you have no one to blame but yourself. I will also only be covering season one for now as sort of a trial period to see if Forum Staff will even allow this type of thread to be allowed on their platform. Also to test the waters to see if Toei will strike down any video I post below.

Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon. (later rebranded as Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon,) Was written by Naoko Takeuchi in 1991. That is a super sentai style show, written for girls. That features romance and draws inspiration from Mythology, Astrology, Astronomy, Religion, Gemology, and Fairy Tales. That revolves around a ditzy, fun-loving 14 year old girl named Usagi Tsukino. Who enjoys shopping, playing video games, and reading comics. Until one day she meets a talking cat named Luna and gets awakened as a soldier of justice, who's given a mission to gather her allies, defeat the enemy, and to find and protect the Moon Princess.

Every adaptation of Sailor Moon deviates from the manga, all while still trying to incorporate elements from it. Causing most adaptations to fall short of what it was trying to accomplish. Especially in later seasons in the 90s version. And I know some people online have brought up arguments that Toei should have just allowed Naoko to finish arcs of the manga so they have material
to work with. A part of me sort of agrees with this since instead of waiting, Toei opted instead to start production on the TV series in early 1992. When the manga had only finish its fourth chapter. Which resulted in problems such as massive filler. However, when I have bought up in the past to certain people that give Naoko a pity party over certain these things and remind them
she kind of willingly sign up for this as her job. They get mad at me.

Sailor Moon has also always been kind of that show that got drag through the mud when it came to it's official english dubs. (the 90s adaptation has 3 total) It was first brought over to the western market In 1995 by Toei after DIC won a bidding war against Toon Makers for the rights to the show's first two seasons. If Toon Makers had won back then? Sailor moon would have been completely forgotten about over here in the west because of this monstrosity they wanted to produce if they won.

Yes your seeing that right! They decided to black wash Sailor Jupiter, and they made Sailor Mercury a paraplegic. Not only is that messed up on a number of levels if you know how much running, jumping, and fighting they actually do within the show.But can you just imagine how dark it would been if someone broke or knocked the wheel chair over in battle. Or a battle just so happens to take place on top of a roof of an 12 story building and there's a black out so they can't use the elevator. Yeah... This is a prime example as to why diversity for the sake of diversity is never a good idea.

Despite what DIC had plan wasn't as bad as what Toon Makers wanted to do with it. Thanks to Sailor Moon's content and subject matter not really being seen as age appropriate for young audiences over here in the west. When DIC got a hold of the rights, they naturally decided to turn it into a childrens tv show. Like, for small children complete with an educational message at the end of each episode. like this one.

I get the fact anime wasn't as popular over here in the west as it is now and they had to market it to someone. But Between the complete censorship of certain scenes and cut episodes, or completely altering subject matter that they felt was too inappropriate for young viewers from airing on TV. Is what I feel forever tainted the show's reputation for most of the western speaking audience.

If you were curious? Such cut content was, Umino sexually harassing his teacher, Ms. Haruna. And throwing rocks through the school's windows. And Usagi kicking Luna.

If you if wish to know more? More can about this topic can be found here. https://sailormoondub.fandom.com/wiki/C … ailor_Moon

I apologize in advance for the overlays in the videos. Ever since Viz Media acquired the rights to Sailor Moon in 2014, they have gone around on sites like Youtube claiming 98% of the Sailor Moon Anime footage (outside of AMV's and certain reviews) as their intellectual property. Despite the fact none of the clips I'm uploading to Youtube was done by their company. Current rights holders or not, whether anyone feels it's within their rights to do this? Is debatable. But I think everyone can agree it's a pretty asshat thing to do to a community your trying to sell your product to. So yeah, I'll update this thread with the rest of the footage with in the next week if possible if it's still here.

DIC also completely change the context of dialogue between characters making them appear to act more rude, whiny, petty, and arrogant than in the original script. Like in DIC's episode 21
when Usagi and Makoto first became friends.

Episode 25 for Toei's version.

There was literally nothing wrong with the original dialogue in that scene. And why did DIC censor strawberries and apple slices? Did someone over there literally get offended seeing it? Or felt it would strike fear and terror everywhere into the hearts of children watching the show? I know, some will argue that it was to save on screen time. But honestly that dumb transition effect between scenes they personally added in, in every episode they dubbed over took up more time then showing 5-10 seconds of footage of someone's lunch box on screen.

The most questionable change I feel DIC did to the series was adding underage relationships. Or in this case I should say Viz Media since they say this is their intellectual property. (Prime example as to why you should never take credit for someone else's homework kids!)

I know some of you maybe thinking,

'Wait, What?!'

In the DIC dub, they aged Mamoru up from 17 years old in High School

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To anyone curious to know what his birthday is without looking it up? Here

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To someone in his mid to late 20s for some odd reason. Despite the fact in that adaptation he is seen dating both Usagi and Rei are only 14 years old in Junior High School. Don't think they would do such a thing? Well, you can't claim a character is a teenage boy when you have your voice actors saying lines like this in episode 14 of the DIC dub.

If you want to know what was originally said in that scene? Then here's episode 17 of Toei's version.

Their personalities and interactions from that adaptation were closer to the manga then how DIC portrayed them.

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To those of you who may not have notice? I'm using images from the redrawn version of the manga that was translated by Miss Dream. Why a fan translation instead of the official english version? To avoid making everyone feel like they're sitting through an episode of High Guardian Spice... Your Welcome!

The idea of him being in his 20s was later reinforce by a line they had Usagi's little brother Shingo say this.

Was DIC trying to normalize pedophilia? How on earth did this get past the censors on TV in the 90s? I guess that's one of lives greatest mysteries that only God knows the answer to. Honestly this issue was kind of fix by VIZ in 2014 when they decided to redub all 5 seasons of Sailor Moon. (But I heard they only made him 19 in that version.) But the damage was already done because people to this day still believe he's in his late 20s.

That one die-hard Sailor Moon fan will probably want to bring up a counter argument claiming things like Mamoru liked underage girls in the manga too. Referring to this.

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Even though the twins are in elementary school.

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And despite what the Sailor Moon WiKi states about both Naruru and Runana's ages being 9-10 years old. In that comic (Unless Miss Dream screwed up the translation and didn't include it in there.) their ages were never specified within the story. And judging by their physical appearance, how ''developed'' they look, and the fact both girls are taller then Usagi, (Usagi is around 16-17 years old in this side story.) And they own their own credit cards. Hopefully, it's safe to assume they're over 20 and were held back in school by quite a few years? I hope.

If it turns out they're actually 9-10 years old? Then this situation is pretty **** up!

When my one friend when they finally reads through this thread and see Naruru and Runana, he's probably going to DM me and be like,

''You had undeniable evidence that Naoko Takeuchi is the greatest mangaka of all time! And you never once shared your scientific research with me? You heartless woman!''

I know my friend who requested this thread is probably wondering if that's all I disliked about the series? And the answer to that is no. Look! I'm aware they wanted to sell things like dolls, hair and make up products to girls. But as a girl I feel It's really stupid
to do things such as show perfectly done up painted finger nails before ruining them by putting gloves on and so on. Although when watching that adaptation in the full context it's meant to be viewed in. Season one isn't all that bad. But there are still many problems compared to the original manga being the massive filler.(Yes, I am aware the episodes of Sailor Moon were being created faster then Takeuchi could write for the series. So don't @ me on this.) The comedy in moments where you wish they take things a bit more seriously. Both our heroes and villains bickering like small school children amongst themselves when they should be working in tandem. Unneeded drama added for the sake of drama. Dumb villain schemes that only seem to work because our heroes are incompetent. Changing characters deigns and their backstories. And Minako... she scares me.
But I guess I will start with season one: The Dark Kingdom Arc.

The plot of the manga first arch happens as followed.

1,000 years after both the Golden Kingdom of Earth and Silver Millennium of the Moon fell to ruins. Beryl, stumbled across an incarnation of Chaos: Queen Metalia in her icy imprisonment. After regaining her memories from her past life as a low rank sorceress. Remembering her unrequited love for Prince Endymion and her jealousy of Princess Serenity. She agrees to work for Metalia before finding and brainwashing Prince Endymion's newly reincarnated four loyal knights into doing her biding. With her newly required minions at her disposal, she searched the entire planet until finally pinpointing the city the Silver Crystal is located in.

Every version of Sailor Moon's first episode always seems to start out the same with some slight variances depending on which version your watching. While many have debated over the years whether the 90s adaptation or the new reboot, Sailor Moon Crystal did it best in retelling the original story. Personally I think they both kind of failed at recapturing what made the original so special to many who read it. Both tried using elements from the manga while trying to do their own thing with the characters and plot, all while still trying to copy what the manga is doing. And it didn't really work too well. But I could have honestly looked past all of that if it weren't for the biggest screw up in season one of the 90s adaptation.

I know some of you are probably thinking I'm going to bring up the fact in the manga. The Silver Crystal was actually Usagi's soul and it was weird seeing it split into seven Rainbow Crystals in the 90s anime. Despite the fact more then one person online have stated the fact it was odd seeing that, implying Usagi isn't a whole person. What bothered me most in that season was Queen Beryl seeing Sailor Moon's civilian form, and knowing full well she's Sailor Moon and has the Silver Crystal in her possession. And yet? She can't seem to locate her.

For those of you who haven't watch season one of that adaptation. Towards the end of the first season in episode 34. Following Beryl's orders to find and capture Tuxedo Mask alive. Zoisite easily locate Mamoru and tricks him into going to Star Light Tower, believing he'll duke it out with Zoisite, one on one over who will keep all the Rainbow Crystals. And Mamoru stupidly agrees to this. The next evening, he goes to meet Zoisite for there duel. When Usagi sees him, realize he's injured and decides to follow after him, because she was worried about him.

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After Zoisite takes them both hostages. He mocks Mamoru for falling into his trap as Kunzite swoops in and steals the crystals and before Mamoru could even react, Zoisite threaten him saying he'll kill Usagi if he tries anything. Mamoru decides to throw a rose
at kunzite anyway, missing him and hitting Zoisite instead leading to this.

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After trying to kill them twice

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(Yes I'm aware her eye looks weird in the picture. I didn't notice it until recently and didn't feel lile retaking that screen shot.)

and believing he succeeded,

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Mamoru was saved by Sailor Moon After Usagi transforms. Zoisite injures Tuxedo Mask before the Silver crystal finally reveals it's self to Sailor Moon. After failing to steal the Crystal away from her. Zoisite is confronted by Beryl over his failure as she confronts him over the fact she saw him try to kill Tuxedo Mask.

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Before executing him where he stood and telling Kunzite to clean up the mess. And it just goes downhill from here as Beryl spends episode after episode searching for Sailor Moon. And thanks to Toei giving her plot armor, she avoids every trap before her until the climactic showdown at the end of that season.

Why couldn't she locate her? She saw what she looked like in her civilian forum while she was still wearing her school uniform before she had a chance to transform into Sailor Moon. Hell, she even left her school briefcase bag behind in that building when she was abducted with Mamoru, which more then likely had her personal information in it.

So why?Why couldn't Beryl find her? Before you make any excuses, Zoisite found Mamoru's name and where he lived just from his face alone. So Beryl should have been able to track Usagi down very easily!

I know people are going to give me an earful about this, but I'm still labeling this as a fail!

On the other hand for Sailor Moon's 20th anniversary, Crystal was announce as a web series reboot that would be more faithful adaptation to the original source material. Many including myself assume it would feature a more modern art style. (Like in the new Eternal movie that recently came out.) While taking the time and effort to iron out flaws from the original story, such as pacing issues. incoherent story telling, and the over flow of information at once in some arcs.

What the fan base got instead was Toei putting their own twist on the story without properly ironing it out. The CGI transformations looking uncanny. Art and animation were sloppy and rushed leaving to a number of errors. Giving queen serenity the wrong hair and eye color,

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(What she's supposed to look like.)

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line work being off. They screwed up giving Luna the wrong eye color.

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(This was only being fix in the new eternal movie. Aka season four.)

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They left out important character development that establish personalities. Example, What should have been there

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(What it was replaced with in Crystal.)

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They made Mamoru look like a vampire in Crystal for some odd reason after he was captured and being controlled by Beryl.

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(What he was suppose to look like.)

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Changing up scenes almost as if they were trying to cater to the people who were only fans of the 90s adaptation. When that's not what people wanted with Crystal.

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I'm all for scenes not being a shot for shot remake from the original story. But if your going to change up anything from the source material? You need to make it work! And the way that scene played out in Crystal? It doesn't have the same emotional impact like the manga did. And it was because in the manga she behaved like an actual immature, teenage girl who wasn't ready to admit she had a crush on him. Which is why both Mamoru and Makoto were even teasing her in the first place. But in Crystal's version? They tried and failed to do the same thing. And it just comes off as Usagi being extremely annoyed with him after he knocks her down and rudely tells her to watch where she is going. (Even if it was just an accident? The way he went about it made him an ****!) Making both the reason why she was blushing and Makoto was teasing her over it just feel out of place in Crystal's version. Which is an issue because this late in the season, not only are they suppose to be acting less antagonistic towards each other. But this is supposed to be right before Usagi realizes that Mamoru and Tuxedo Mask are the same person and they finally start dating.

They even change a certain scene causing it to come off as more creepy then originally intended. The kiss scene during the Masquerade episode. I understand why Toei wanted to change this because the implications of why the kiss even took place can be seen as disturbing. But what they opted to change this to? Made it actually disturbing as they completely removed any romance from it.

For anyone who doesn't know what I am talking about? In the previous chapter of the manga, after both Usagi and Mamoru had an inkling about the other's identities (This moment was cut in Crystal.)

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After he saw her transform infront of him, it only confirms his suspicions.

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-Crystal's footage will be added later. I hope.-

So in the next chapter in the masquerade ball after she drop her handkerchief with her name embroidered into it and he finds it. He locates her before asking her to dance.

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-Crystal's footage will be added later. I hope?-

At the end of that chapter, because Usagi is kind of dense. She got drunk by mistaking an alcoholic drink for juice. Causing her to fall a sleep before being carried off by tuxedo mask.

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Yes, I know Miss Dream screw up the translation on this page and one of the lines was suppose to just be a repeat of this.

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But it's still better then the alternative.

After he found a spot to allow her to rest. He leans in giving her a kiss as Usagi wonders to herself why this seems familiar to her before Luna yelled at him to get away from her.

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What this scene was changed too caused complaints among fans. And it's not too hard to figure out why.

-Crystal's footage will be added later. I hope?-

Note: This can be viewed on CrunchyRoll for free without being sign in if you wish to see episode 4.

To anyone who doesn't realize why the ladder is consider more creepy? Instead of it being frame like it was in the manga where she had a romantic night with her crush. (Ending with a kiss.) Crystal's version, the way it was frame just seem like Mamoru randomly found her passed out on a bench and took advantage of the situation. Which is a huge problem because Sailor Moon is supposed to feature romance. And they cut out the romance in that scene.

And before I hear any excuses from any of you? Yes, that moment was in the 90s adaptation.

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Even in DIC's dub that aired on tv.

Why did I include the Sailor Moon says footage? Because it was funny.

If Toei truly wished to just removed the fact she got drunk? There were a dozen other things they could have done with that scene. Like? After the battle in that episode, have him carry her to that same bench before he used his powers to treat any injury she had before it lead up to them kissing if they still needed a reason for Luna to shout. ''Get away from her!'' That's just one of many examples they could have done if they wish to change it. And to those of you who didn't know? Yes, Mamoru has the ability to heal injuries.

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Also in Crystal they even went as far as to censor the fact Sailor Moon committed suicide in her past life as Princess Serenity.

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While neglecting to also remove the fact, she still tried to kill herself in episode 12 of Crystal.

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And because there was literally no indication before hand leading up to that point in crystal that she was even that emotionally clingy to the point where she was suicidal without her lover beside her. Making that moment completely come out of left field, shocking and confusing those who never read the manga before as to why that was even happening.

And sadly, I've seen people online praise Toei for removing mentions of Princess Serenity's suicide for sensitivity reasons. Yet ignore/not care they still left the fact she tried to not only time kill herself but her lover as well. Why is it ok to remove only one mention of suicide in the show 'praiseworthy' to these people, but not the other times in the show? I may never know.

If your wondering why Sailor Moon was suicidal in the first arc of the manga? Well Takeuchi had only plan to do one arc that would result in a ending where everybody died.

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But I guess if I were to really, really nit pick one thing about Crystal's first season. It would have to be how Toei choose to handle the four Heavenly Kings.

For some context. When I first heard about Crystal. It was the talk of every anime site you could think of. Myself and others were in shock when we learn Toei was making this adaptation a more faithful version to the original manga. Which lead to a lot of speculations whether or not after all these years the bridges were finally mended after all the 'disagreements' between certain parties. And the reason why Toei is bringing Sailor Moon back because it's going continue with a season six taking place in the 30th century with Chibiusa finally taking over in her mother's position as the new Sailor Moon as she starts 7th grade with her best friend, four guardian deities, and possibly boyfriend besides her. (Those who watched season four already know what I'm talking about.) Because she already finished her training. And Takeuchi had already started with a series base around her called Chibiusa's Picture Diaries. Two of them being adapted into TV episode and special.

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(leave it to Usagi when she became Queen of the solar system to create a way to eat sweets without any repercussions.)

And most importantly when the original manga ended with Usagi and Mamoru's ascended to the throne as Neo Queen Serenity and King Endymion the same year they got married. And this kind of being a thing that happen in the story.

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When I first watch Crystal, I felt like I seen enough and made no plans on ever checking out any more episodes until my one friend persuaded me to watch the rest. To make him happy I finally obliged. My opinion about the show didn't change until I saw Jadeite live, Finally drawing my interest in the show. And it only continued with Nephrite, Zoisite, and Kunzite. As all four of them were alive and well, well beyond the point where they each died in the manga. There was even talk among certain people wondering if all the changes to the show were because this is an alternate timeline of the manga where the four of them are alive and well, and every future event from the story is going to play out differently because they're there.

And then this happen.

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That scene just creates a number of questions within the story it's self. Because one, if Metalia could fire a giant death laser like that? Why didn't she do it in this scene when the Silver Crystal first showed it's self to Sailor Moon a few episodes back and finish her off right then and there? And two, if they were just going to kill them off? Why keep them alive and prolong the inevitable?

Not going to lie, I did get angry when I first saw this. And I realized why they were abruptly killed off when this scene came on screen.

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I guess Toei didn't feel like writting a different ending?

For anyone surprise the four knights were actually gemstones? Well in the show cannon, everyone born a Sailor Soldier possessed something known as a planet Soldier Cystal. It's a gemstone that makes up ones soul and those in the show who possess one are essentially immortal. Which is why characters like Chibiusa are over 900 years old and still looks really young.

Since my one friend is probably wondering if there was anything I actually liked from the first arc since I only really have given criticism so far.Well, I did like the fact they tried to modernize Crystal. And I died laughing at this scene in the manga.

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I know I shouldn't be laughing at that flash back because it wasn't meant to be funny. But she was doing the exact thing Kunzite warn Endymion about.

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But you know? Kunzite may have been wrong about Princess Serenity's intentions. But Endymion was a fool for not listening to Kunzite. Because Kunzite was only trying to protect his Prince against what the Princess was plotting. And that is to make Prince Endymion the father of her children. And through her determination and perseverance she succeeded in creating these.

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(To any guy reading this that was creep out by that joke? It's just a girl thing. You wouldn't understand.)

Which kind of begs the question if Princess Lady Serenity is doing the same thing to Helios since she acts a lot like her mother. Although judging by how he reacts around her I don't think
he wants to be rescued from this fate.

I know some of you are wondering why I didn't finish this thread sooner. If you want the brutally honest answer? I was playing Super Kirby Clash and decided to finally Google if Nintendo made replica Kirby weapons. And got really depress when I realize they don't. So I got to work in real life and got distracted making this.

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One day my Celestial Staff will be complete.

It was about 13-14 inches long before I trip and fell with it. I had plan to make the hat and plushie to go with it. And yeah, the ball used to freely spin. I'll remake it later
with a stronger frame next time.

But you know, I don't see why Nintendo doesn't make replica weapons from the Kirby series. It's not like any gamer is actually going to use it as a weapon from a video game like a real sword.
Oh wait, someone did.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/weir … 67520.html

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Norwee · 2022-05-09 01:07:30

Ok

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AllenCaspe9510 · 2022-05-09 01:09:47

Finally, a worthy opponent for mutant's huge wall of text

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Kkay · 2022-05-09 03:16:10

St1ckS4m(EE)

Minimania · 2022-05-09 08:35:45

I'm a little curious why you posted this here. I don't really recall any of the other community members being fans of Sailor Moon

Tomahawk · 2022-05-09 10:33:17

frostflare wrote:

Everything except for the Q & A I purposely design with the intention of giving our forum moderator stage 4 colon cancer knowing full well he had to read through the entire thing.

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frostflare · 2022-05-10 23:06:08

Kkay wrote:

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I would appreciate it if you didn't post photos from your autobiography in my Sailor Moon thread.

frostflare · 2022-05-10 23:14:28

Minimania wrote:

I'm a little curious why you posted this here. I don't really recall any of the other community members being fans of Sailor Moon

I can guarantee you not everyone is going to care about every thread posted on these forums. But I didn't see you tell anybody else this.

Minimania · 2022-05-11 00:41:42

frostflare wrote:

Minimania wrote:
I'm a little curious why you posted this here. I don't really recall any of the other community members being fans of Sailor Moon
I can guarantee you not everyone is going to care about every thread posted on these forums. But I didn't see you tell anybody else this.

Why are you so defensive? I'm not antagonizing you here.

As for all of the other threads in this forum, most of them at least have a few people who are invested in the topic, or at the very least start the topic off as a discusion, i.e "Hey have you guys ever watched Sailor Moon?".

You jumped everyone here straight into a topic they knew nothing about. I get that you're not happy with this topic's reception, but keep in mind your audience.

frostflare · 2022-05-11 01:48:19

Minimania wrote:

frostflare wrote:
Minimania wrote:
I'm a little curious why you posted this here. I don't really recall any of the other community members being fans of Sailor Moon
I can guarantee you not everyone is going to care about every thread posted on these forums. But I didn't see you tell anybody else this.
Why are you so defensive? I'm not antagonizing you here.
As for all of the other threads in this forum, most of them at least have a few people who are invested in the topic, or at the very least start the topic off as a discusion, i.e "Hey have you guys ever watched Sailor Moon?".
You jumped everyone here straight into a topic they knew nothing about. I get that you're not happy with this topic's reception, but keep in mind your audience.

I wasn't going to bother to respond to this because anything I had to say would be consider to be ''****'' to you people. But one, pointing out a fact isn't considered to be ''defensive''. Two, if you had actually bothered to even take the time to even read the first few paragraphs of my post? You would have known exactly why I made this thread. And three, let's just be honest here. If this type of thread had come from literally anyone else within the community? You wouldn't have cared. So stop trying to play the role of forum police! Because you maybe a moderator in-game, but it's not your job to dictate what types of threads users get to make on these forums.

Minimania · 2022-05-11 03:37:03

frostflare wrote:

I wasn't going to bother to respond to this because anything I had to say would be consider to be ''****'' to you people.

You responded anyway. But that's fine, you're allowed. When you say "you people" though, that's pretty telling. You talk as if you were an outsider. I know you. I know you've been a part of this community for a long time, though you haven't always been the most talkative. I don't blame you for it, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I think it's totally wrong to generalize everyone in this way; there are gonna be sticks in the mud and then you'll have me, who takes you seriously.

frostflare wrote:

But one, pointing out a fact isn't considered to be ''defensive''.

It isn't, but arguing against a point I never made is. For starters, I never said nobody cares about your thread. But, just for your information, I asked you what I asked because I was genuinely curious.

frostflare wrote:

Two, if you had actually bothered to even take the time to even read the first few paragraphs of my post? You would have known exactly why I made this thread.

Okay, rude and uncalled for. I was not this aggressive or mean with you at any point, but disregarding that, I still have yet to know who the mysterious patron of your post is, which is why I asked in the first place.

frostflare wrote:

And three, let's just be honest here. If this type of thread had come from literally anyone else within the community? You wouldn't have cared.

Yeah, if it came from Kkay I'd have assumed it was a ****. But I know you, and I take you seriously, so I bothered. My bad?

frostflare wrote:

So stop trying to play the role of forum police!

I'm not even policing anything. I literally just asked you a question.

frostflare wrote:

Because you maybe a moderator in-game, but it's not your job to dictate what types of threads users get to make on these forums.

Where in my post did I imply that you weren't allowed to make this post?

Tomahawk · 2022-05-11 08:27:08

Ok guys let’s all take a chill pill and enjoy the sweet sweet wholesomeness that is Sailor Moon.

At least, I think it’s wholesome. I haven’t watched any.

Norwee · 2022-05-11 09:11:39

Minimania coming in with that big mafia player energy response.

2b55b5g, Minimania, BuzzerBee

XxAtillaxX · 2022-05-11 10:36:24

Onjit · 2022-05-11 12:27:53

frostflare wrote:

can we not quote OP when it's enormous thanks -Tomahawk

fart in my wallet call that gas money

Minimania

Minimania · 2022-05-11 13:48:29

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Minimania coming in with that big mafia player energy response.

Unironically am trying to practice for the big game, but I am sincere

Is this a general Sailor Moon thread now?

frostflare · 2022-05-11 18:21:51

Because some of you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of what a ''rant'' is. I decided to close this thread until I am ready to post part two.

frostflare · 2022-12-24 03:19:58

Welcome back to essentially part two of my Sailor Moon rant.

before i get into the actual rant. I suppose I should not only clarify a few things and answer certain questions people either been wondering about or have felt the need to ask/complain to me about over the years that I finally decided to acknowledge. Because I am unsure if I want to bother with this anymore after this.

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Why do you have the user name silvermoonLight if you didn't like Sailor Moon?

The reason why I pick that name had literally nothing to do with Sailor Moon. However the full explanation as to why I chose that name? Is kind of personal that I never shared with anyone because I just felt it was no one's business.

Why did you feel the need to openly state you weren't a fan of Sailor Moon? I thought that was common knowledge by now.

Despite the fact in the past I have openly stated how I felt about the show to anyone who was actually listening and explain to them that I may not be a fan of Sailor Moon, but I do enjoy some of the music from the series. Many users from EE made the assumption without even coming to me and asking, that I was some super fan of this series base off my user name alone. Including the users who left comments telling me to touch grass. Which only created awkward moments as I was cringing at my keyboard. When Atilla decided to sing the DIC opening to Sailor Moon when I enter Voice chat on the EE discord server at the request of someone. And replaced the word 'Sailor' with the word 'Silver'. After I waited for him to stop singing before I bluntly told him I didn't like Sailor Moon. Only for both him and Kkay to react as if I was the first person to inform them the Santa Claws wasn't real. Honestly, I would kind of understand why they made that assumption if my user name in-game was literally something like, Sailor moonlight. But it's not.

I thought it would have ended by just telling them I didn't like Sailor Moon. But it only got worst with the EE community after they release the trailer for part one of the Eternal Movie. And I was spam with direct messages from users from the Everybody Edits community asking if I seen it yet... And you wonder why I unfriended some of you.

If you don't like Sailor Moon. Why did you bother to write those stories?

I take it the reason you brought this up was because you either wanted to call me out for being a hypocrite. Or your interested in reading the finish products. Honesty, the reason why I started writing them in the first place was because it was suppose to be a birthday gift for a certain someone I know. The guy loves Sailor Moon and is a fan of a certain ship. He also loves literature and is a fan of things like romance and hilarious dark humor with certain twist. So I was just going through random ideas until I settle on a story I was happy with giving him. Well that was until I realize he was angry at me and stop talking to me over something that happen. So I decided to just repurpose it into something else. I may go back and finish the other ones one day if you truly wish to read them? But I just don't know yet.

If you were to ever get another pet. What type of animal would it be and what would you name it?

I would rather not take care of another pet.

Didn't you mention in the past you also watch Soul Eater and Bleach too?

Yes, but I don't believe anyone would want to read through a entire list of every piece of media I have seen or read in my life time.

Why didn't you include a disclaimer in your opening post about not attacking the show creators?

Personally I always felt it was kind of dumb to include that. Mainly because that should have been super obvious with anyone with at least two brain cells that you don't go and attack or harass anyone mention in a online internet thread, video, rant, etc. But the thing is no matter what anyone says? Unless the person is some mindless sheep who can't think for themselves. People will always do what they want and there will always be that one idiot who will do it anyway despite what they're told not to do. Which is why the Darwin Award exist!

Are you going to personally apologize to Elizabeth after she was attack over what you said about her?

I know you and a couple of others wanted me to take personal responsibility over this. But If you truly want someone to apologize to her over that situation? Go confront the guy who decided to leak those direct messages and make it public! I already know some will claim, ''Oh, look! silver is dodging responsibility!'' But what you guys seem to forget is that at the end of the day, all I really did was confide to someone in private in a Discord conversation when I was venting my frustrations to them about events that have happen in the past. Only for them to try to win brownie points with certain people, not caring that all this would accomplish was starting a harassment campaign against someone else.

What did you mean by they didn't fix the flaws and incoherent story telling?

In the manga, there is a major inconsistency in the third arc that completely contradicts an event that took place in the first arc. Which are things like Usagi deciding to put Mamoru out of his misery despite the fact her own Mother (Queen Serenity) told her he was probably still alive. But in the third arc when Haruka inform Usagi that Hotaru couldn't be saved and she has to kill her, she didn't want to do it. I understand Usagi wasn't in the best emotional state and why it was done that way in the manga. But it made no sense when they left that way in Crystal.

Did you and Q ever date?

You're like the 20th person to ask me this within the past year. He and I have never dated and we're only friends. But I take it this answer isn't what you were seeking.

Did you make this thread just to spite your Sister if she ever stumbles across this one day?

No, but it would be hilarious seeing her reacting.

Did you make this thread just to spite the EE community members who woudn't stop pestering you about Sailor Moon?

No, but it would have been funny since they had their nerve to complain that I didn't have a off switch after I started going on tangents about the show after they kept bugging me about it.

Was this you?

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I will not confirm nor deny that.

Do you hate Matpat or were you just making a joke?

If you want my honest answer? Despite the fact he isn't as bad as Pokimane, ADHD RC, and ssSniperwolf.

I'm not the biggest fan of his content. I know, some will claim that I'm just jealous of him. But in reality the issue many including myself have with MatPat, is that back when he first started his YouTube channel. He kind of advertise himself as being the guy who is going to use science to see if things in video games were possible in real life. He did one or two videos about that before he started moving into actual video game theories. Normally this wouldn't be so bad since more variety of content = more people interested in your channel. But the one thing people tend to forget about with any theory is that, when you start off with the wrong hypothesis your going to end with the wrong conclusion. And his theories back then only seem to cause massive flame wars within any series he would cover from communities from his fanbase. Where his fans who knew nothing about the series in question. And yet? They use to try to go in and ''educate'' the gaming communities from games he covered with knowledge they only received from MatPat's theories videos when back then they weren't really factually correct to put it nicely. And when you tried at first to calmly explain why what they were saying was wrong and point out actual facts? They refuse to back down and It was like dealing with a bunch of educated idiots. Like one of the more infamous examples of this would be with the Zelda community with the Link is dead theory MatPat made. Despite the fact Nintendo publicly stated in a interview back in early 2000s when they were asked if Link was dead in Majora's Mask. Nintendo themselves stated Link wasn't and Termina is a alternative world. Which is why in the Hyrule Historia, it is revealed that the Hero's Shade is actually the Hero of Time, Link, from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. But when you tried to show his fans this evidence? They only double down and claim MatPat can't be wrong about anything. And he too only seem to double down, and crack some jokes that came across as distasteful given the circumstances at the time. Which only caused more frustration with both him and his fanbase. Which is kind of how he got the nick name 'Cringe Theory' on the internet, and any time now when he is right about anything? No one really wants to acknowledge it or give him credit.

Look, I don't condone the things that have happen to him like death threats. And I understand your a fan of him. But some of the hate he received on the internet is kind of justified.

Will you make a part 3 for the Miitopia fic?

Why do you need a part 3?

Make part 3!

Why?

Did you ever mail Kentiya his son?

No! Lol

Did you mail Xenoetix Kentiya's son?

No.

Did you and Xenonetix ever date?

Despite the gossip some of you felt like spreading, he and I were only friends until that ended.

Who was the guy who rage?

Just no one in particular.

Will you ever finish this world?

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Probably not. Even if I wanted to? EEO doesn't run on my newer labtop thanks to never downloading Adobe Flash on this computer. And to those who wonder? No, it's not on my EE profile. And you will never find it on my EE profile! Even if you get Capasha and SirJosh to help you? You'll never find it because I hidden it in the one place you will never look!

On Joey's computer. ;P

Was it true you lost access to your Nintendo account after posting this thread?

It happen twice that I know of and I only found out I lost access after I recovered from being sick. It was odd. Never received a Email notification that someone else had access my account and changed my password. At first I had assume at first that Joey was playing some prank on me or this was a error on Nintendo's part. But no, someone decided to claim my account. And before you ask? I already contacted Nintendo for help on this issue. And despite the fact they were more polite then in the early 2000s when I tried to reach out to them in the past for help on these issues. They refuse to elaborate for some odd reason when I requested more information about certain things.

And sadly that wasn't the only thing that happen either after posting this thread.

The story am currently working on that only a couple of people have seen. Bits and pieces of it are now floating around within certain A03 stories in the Sailor Moon community. Including the EE fanfic I posted on the EE forums. And because I was able to regain access to my Nintendo account and keep it. The Email associated with that account now keeps getting temporarily locked, almost as if the person who tried to steal my account is mad that I even got it back, and is now trying to brute force they're way into my Email to reclaim what they feel should be theirs. And someone also thought it would be funny to contact Adult Protective Services, claiming I was abusing my Mother. And even after they talked to my Mom and she explain to them that none of that happen, I was still being look down upon like I was some monster.

Why won't you join EE!?

Despite the fact I already stated back in 2017-19 why I was quitting. I suppose I should actually go on public record to clarify misconceptions floating around.

I announce back in 2017 to anyone who was listening that I was going to quit playing EE to focus on other projects in real life such as RPG Maker and practicing writing fictional stories when adobe flash player ended. But because my whole life, there's always been a massive disconnect between what I want to do and what someone else wants for me. People were just not happy with my choice. And thanks to the series of unfortunate circumstances that happen around that time, leading up to flash player ending. People blame both Xenonetix and Lunarys for my departure when in reality neither one had anything to do with the reason why I wanted to quit playing. It was literally my choice to leave to go pursue other interests I had in life. But I guess to some? This was never taken into consideration and it was just easier to put the blame onto them as certain narratives where push.

But you know? Contrary to what some may belief, I don't really hold any ill will towards either of them. I know a lot of people assume I did towards Xeno since I haven't spoken about him in over 2 years. But I honestly moved on with my life since the fall out happen. I know some of you will never forgive him over the things he has said and done. And frankly, Whether any of you wish to do so? That's your choice. But some of the resentment I seen some of you hold towards him? Is really of unhealthy and I wish you would move on in this regard.

How did Tomahawk troll you?

He waited until I went afk in-game before surrounding my character with valentines day hearts. And given the dynamic of our relation ship? That was a declaration of war!

Do you and Tomahawk have a 'thing'?

I am unsure about him. But with me? No, I don't. I know this probably wasn't the answer you were hoping for. But keep in mind, real life isn't some dumb romance drama filled with tropes and cliches. People can just stay friend, frenemies, or acquaintance. (Or never get along) You don't need to ship everything or everyone together.

Is there a anime trope or cliche in shows that personally annoys you?

There is actually two that bother me. One is character assassination and the other is that dumb trope with the love triangle, square, pentagon, hexagon, octagon, seasongon, or what ever you like to call it. Where the protagonist can't seem to make up their mind which girl or guy they want to end up with. And they only seem to end up stringing everyone along for months. Well here is a easy solution to that problem.

If you fall in love with 2 or more people? Choose the last one you fell in love with. And that's because if you truly loved the others? You wouldn’t have fallen in love with them.

What is the worst thing someone called you in this community?

silvercoonlight.

Will you ever apologize for the politically incorrect things you have said?

No, and I never will. If you were expecting any of answer then this? Then you wasted your time.

Do you want Sailor Moon to continue?

I'm not the person you should be asking this to.

Is the reason why you ship silver with Helios in the Miitopia fanfic because you have a crush on him?

If you want a brutally honest answer? I did have a crush on the Manga version of him back when I was in grade school. But as the years past and I started getting older and he still looked like a 12 year old boy. It became kind of awkward so I didn't really bring him up or talk about him all these years. And despite the fact I have known of several in the past who would have bought Miitopia for that particular reason. No, that's not why I included him in the Miitopia fic. The point of all of that was to give TomaHawk cancer. And no cringey cancer inducing story is really complete unless you insert your OC into it and ship them with a pretty guy.

Why didn't I use that one site for a reference?

Even though I agree with the point they were trying to make. I didn't want to use the moonsisters site. Not only because of the strong language. But not all of the information he posted was correct. They even took scenes from the anime and manga that they used for references and twisted the context to fit their narrative.

Do you know if Helios Chibiusa's great uncle?

I know your probably asking me this since you know about Mythology and decided to check out the show.

I know in Greek/Roman Mythology, Helios is Selene's older brother. But I am going to have to say no, they're not related within Sailor Moon. If Sailor Moon was an adaptation like Gods'School? Then I would say definitely yes! Because me and the rest of the audience would be puking at the romance and kiss scenes seen through out the show. Because not only would Usagi be Mamoru's cousin, But Helios would be his cousin as well. But no, they're not related. and the chances of that actually being a thing in the show? Are nonexistent.

I know, some will argue that it states in the Sailor Moon materials collection, it's said that Helios looks a bit like Prince Endymion, so they must have some type of relation. However, Naoko probably only created him that way to look like Mamoru's mini me. Just like Chibiusa is Usagi's. And since she seems to be keeping up with the whole Sun and Moon theme within the show, ( Which includes names and astrology.) Since she made the characters act like real people who were born under those astrological signs within the manga. And seeing how their names literally mean Moon and Sun. And since Usagi and Chibiusa were both born Cancers. (The Moon sign of the Zodiac.) Naoko probably made Helios a Leo (The Sun sign of the Zodiac.) And made him share a Birthday with Mamoru as well. Because it's been said the most compatible sign for a Cancer woman, would be a Leo man.

What was the most mentally scarring thing you ever seen?

After really thinking about this and trying to decide on what to share that isn't going to get censor by forums staff. I guess it would have to be the time when I was a kid. And because there was nothing else on TV at the time I decided to watch the cooking channel. Well I forget who was the chef, but for some odd reason they decided to do a live broadcast either because I guess they wanted to show off their cooking recipes while interacting with the audience at home when they called in the show to interact with the chef, or they literally thought nothing bad could possibly happen. Well something bad did end up happening that not only shock the chef, but everyone else who was present or just watching at home.

Well the chef need a eggs and was cracking them open, not realizing one of them was fertilized. When a dead chick that obviously didn't survive refrigeration fell out of the egg into the mixing bowl. Everyone freak out. After that incident it took me a long time before I could enjoy eating scrambled eggs again.

Why is it taking you so long to make part two for this thread?

Mostly trying to decide what to talk about and what to leave out. And to collect my thoughts since I don't know if I will be making a part 3 since one person can only tolerate so much of this.

To the person who asked if I knew the creator of Yu Yu Hakusho and Sailor Moon are married?

Yes. I'm fully aware Togashi and Naoko are married. In fact, most people who are part of the anime community are aware of this fact. Heck, Naoko has even mention this herself in her comics.

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But this thread is suppose to be a rant about a fictional story that includes author notes and information involving the show. Not their personal lives! So why did you expect me to delve into that in my opening post?

What did you mean by redrawn version of the Manga?

Besides this being a fan translation. It's the same version of the Manga that is currently being sold on store shelves, But it's not the original version that was release years ago since Naoko went back over the years and redrew certain panels to fix up her art. Which is why some call it the redrawn version.

To the people who informed me that I should have labeled Metalia as an figment instead of incarnation.

While another jokingly pointed out, it's Chaos's 'family'! After going back and rereading what Chaos said in the stars arc a few times to double check to see if I did indeed screw up?

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Even though reffering to her as a figment technically isn't wrong. It turns out I wasn't wrong either in labeling Metalia an incarnation. Since it basically means a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality. If you still wish to call her an figment? Then be my guess. But I'm going to request that you don't try to correct me from now on unless I genuinely do screw up.

Besides on EE. Have you ever been ban/censor before on a video game web site?

Yes. It was over feedback I wrote. If your curious? I wasn't being toxic. They just didn't like what I had to say and didn't want anyone else viewing it.

For a bit of context. The site in question was a MMO RPG that was rated 10 and up with some fantasy violence and jokes thrown in once in a while that would go over little kids heads. I'm not going to name the site in question, but for years they're reputation between themselves and their community had fallen due to the fact they were actively censoring their user base any time anyone gave them constructive criticism or wasn't praising the ground they walk on. So no surprisingly, people got fed up with it.

So as payback, people would submit in their sub forum that was for concept art for things like user created items, designs for things like weapons and gear that was already in other games done by larger gaming companies. And one did manage to slip under their radar as they added it into the game. Only to remove it a few weeks later, gave everyone who bought it a refund with a public apology. As they were more careful next time.

Well, some time later they had decided to redesign their Dragon Logo. And when asking users for feedback for it before they implemented it? When I saw it? My first thoughts were, ''No, they didn't!'' And after taking out my old n64 to double check, I kind of felt bad for them because well, I understand people were upset at them. But Nintendo's lawyer team at the time was known for being the Molotov cocktail of the gaming industry for a reason. And I just always had a belief that there are just some things you don't do to someone else, and this was one of them. After seeing the fact no one else was going to tell, I decided to create an account on that site and let them know by saying, ''That looks just like the Black Fortress Security logo from Bomberman 64.'' and within two minutes my comment was deleted and I was ban from posting anything else. Before a few minutes later they stop allowing people to comment on that thread as they remove their concept logo off the site. And six months later after it was redesign, it looked completely different and more unique. And if your curious? Within a year after that incident. They finally started accepting criticism from their community. And since I already know you're going to ask... My thanks from them for telling them the truth was, having my account in-game go under heavily scrutiny, and constantly monitor by them for 'suspicion for cheating' the rest of my time I spent playing on that site. Why? I guess they saw me as 'problematic' and were looking for any excuse to get rid of me. Or when they looked up who I was an saw everything I had accumulated in my inventory. They didn't believe it was possible for anyone to do without cheating. Despite the fact I'm kind of disabled and playing games is just what I like to do to pass the time.

Do I believe Sailor Moon will continue after the new Cosmos movie comes out?

Lol, no! If for some odd reason it did and they announce season 6? Or some type of continuation. Certain people in the anime community would be in shock for years.

Who's the other little girl standing next to Chibiusa in that image you showed?

That's kousagi, Sailor Moon's youngest daughter. She was never feature within the main series because this was kind of a thing within the story.

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She was only in the spin off series called 'Parallel' that supposedly takes place within a alternate universe where it's implied the entire cast from Sailor Moon is there but they're living out normal mundane lives.

Hey, did you ever read that one Doujinshi on Deviantart I linked you?

The one by Mangaka-chan, right? I was trying to spare your feelings before because you thought I hadn't seen it yet and I would really enjoy reading it since it featured my favorite character from the Manga, and a lot of people seem to believe it's good enough to be the unofficial continuation for the Sailor Moon Manga since that Doujinshi features vaguely similar art style to Naoko's work, and they tried to continue where Naoko left off.

Truth was I read through it years ago before you link me it. And in my opinion it's no where near being consider the unofficial continuation for Sailor Moon. But if you want to know what I thought about it? Even though the art was nice and there was some cute moments within their story. The plot they used where two lovers are separated. Only to find each other again. Only for the girl to realize her lover has lost his memories... Only for him to regain his lost memories at the final confrontation with the antagonist at the end of the season. before they're finally able to be together and profess their love for each other before the story essentially ends. Which was already done in Sailor Moon. And because that premise was in Sailor Moon, that trope has been done to death in countless fanfictions by the Sailor Moon community that used the same trope. Which wouldn't be a major problem on it's own. But because all Manaka-chan really did with their story was rehash a lot of scenarios that already taken place within Sailor Moon. It not only showed how unoriginal and uncreative they were with their writing. Which is a major issue with a lot of stories on AO3 I seen popping up lately from certain users. Look... It's one thing to pay homage or to make a reference or two to someone else's work. But what they did was essentially plagiarism. To the point where if Naoko really wanted to be a complete **** about this? She could sue for plagiarism and win. (I don't believe Naoko would sue anyone over a fanfiction. Just using this as a example.) Which is kind of sad because Future Reunion, did show promise towards the start of the story of being it's own unique thing. The ending for that story was predictable. There was inconsistencies from the Manga and their work, when it's supposedly a continuation from the official story. Like? The interior design of the Crystal Palace being off. Showing a lack of understanding about the character or just not caring, almost as if they change up things to fit their story narrative for plot convenience. And the Sailor Soldiers wearing the wrong uniforms. And a massive plot hole within their story that kind of ruin it for me since I kind of have a habit of over analyzing everything.

Did you ever finish making Doctor Cookie?

Yes and no. I am having second thoughts about whether or not if I should add a monocle and mustache to him. Also to those of you who don't know who Dr. Cookie is? This is him.

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But don't worry, he's not a real Doctor. He gave himself that title after eating 10 different varieties of cookies.

I wasn't aware you had an older sister. What is she like?

She hasn't changed since we were kids.

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I know some will say I should have properly introduce myself to let her know who I am. But would that have actually mattered? I known her all my life, and despite the sweet motherly persona she puts on for the outside for the world to see. How she behaved in the screen shot is how she truly is deep down.

Why did I say the photo of Helios had the most views that the EE community unintentionally voted for when other photos from months before have more?

I only counted the views for part two because it was the most recent post. If I counted video clips? Then the one where Kirby is paying Kirby in food would have won.

If Sailor Moon is really as popular as you say. Then why aren't more people online talking about it?

It's a combination of a number of things.

Some are under the impression the age demographic for Sailor Moon is the same as Bluey, and Blue's Clues and refuse to watch it because of that. While Others refused to watch it and to have anything to do with the series, still throwing a toddler like tantrum over the past decade, over Crystal to this day, over the fact the 90s version didn't get a reboot or continuation. Others are still upset over how the first two seasons were handle and refuse to watch anymore of the series, believing anything else Toei produces will be subpar work. Some are still upset with Toei Animations after being censor on sites like YouTube. While some have just stop watching Anime all together.

Why did you mock the English translations of the manga when your English and grammar isn't perfect?

Those of you who know me? Know that despite English being my first language. I can't always speak it properly or convey what I would like to say into words. Because I'm disabled, and because of my disability, I constantly have to look up how words are spelled. And I use programs like text to speech to communicate with other people online when I posts threads like this, and sometimes on days when my speech isn't really that intelligible. Which has led to people blowing up at me or refusing to speak to me over nonsensical things. But I always have tried to in the past to go out of my way to make my posts at least legible for you guys. But I guess the difference is between me and them? They're an actual publishing company producing this product. And me? Well, I am just some random goofball on the internet and no ones paying me to make this. However, if you truly wish to understand why I made the joke? There's more then one person online that has show cased the Sailor Moon English manga that can explain it a lot better then I ever could.

And I know I forgot to mention this in my last post. But if you downloaded or read through Miss Dream's translated version of the manga? Then please support the official release.

Do you know if Beryl is Helios's mother?

I know, there's a joke floating around online about her being his Mother since his entire color scheme is made up from Beryl Crystals right down to the Gold Beryl stone that's the exact same color as his eyes. (Which is probably the Manga and Crystal's way of foreshadowing that's he's a gemstone just like the four Kings.) But I'm unsure if this is true since I wasn't able to locate that information online and if you want to know the answer? I don't know what to tell you besides looking it up yourself or finding some way to contact Naoko and ask her about it.

Why are the comments on your thread. Well, uh....

That's just how this community is. Truthfully, I had kind of hoped users like Kkay had grown up since some of my past interactions with him years ago.

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But I see he hasn't changed one bit. I may have not have said anything before since at the time he was under age. But he's a adult now. If he's truly going to get offended over something like that? Then he needs to learn to take it and grow a thicker skin because it's not the most manliest look when you try to start in on someone. Only to go run off crying to other people when they told you something in exchange that hurt your feelings.

And about Minimania? People were asking me things like if I was ok, if I knew them base off what he posted, and believed base off what he said, I was just being defensive in my initial response to him. And truthfully? I'm okay, and no, I don't know him. I worded my replies to him in that way because I didn't know how else to say it at the time. Part of the reason was because I was literally sick and when your feeling under the weather your cognitive functions like thinking skills, just aren't there. Also I didn't know what his motives for posting were. Was he only here to show up and call me an idiot again? Or was he going to be nice this time? Yeah, those of you who didn't know? This isn't my first go around with him. Also the only information he really got correct about me? Was the fact I been in this community for a long time. But I take it that's only because he took that information off my public Everybody Edits profile. But frankly, despite his curiosity? He's not entitled to an explanation for anything.

But there was one thing he did bring up that was true. And that is I don't see myself as a part of this community anymore. (I haven't for years) Which is why I had never plan on coming back to these forums after posting part two in the Miitopia thread. If you wonder why? Well, between all the gossip and rumors that this community as a whole has spread about me behind my back and believe I would never find out about it. Being subjected to harassment campaigns over the years in-game by members of this community, solely over the fact I asked certain people to leave me alone in-game. And those of you who decided to join in on those campaigns just had no remorse for your actions. To members of this community, who first pretended to be nice. Before openly calling me things to my face, such as crazy, sociopath, etc. This, over such issues as, I didn't support or agree with their political views and I said I believed in God. While one even took it upon themselves to send me really messed up DMs mocking the fact my cobalt blue budgie, (who's only sin in this world was going up to people and proclaiming she's within her legal rights to take your straw!) that I had looked after for almost 10 years, had died. when it hadn't even been a year since her passing. If your curious to know who would do that? Well those of you who are familiar with my past history with certain people on this site? This shouldn't be too hard to figure this out since they did leave a comment on this thread.

I already know Tomahawk will want to snip this section out of my post, claiming this to be 'inappropriate'. But keep in mind. Your in-game Moderator made this information relevant with their posts. All because I made this thread the way I wanted too that wasn't inclusive to him. And I know some of you felt I should have just talked to Minimania about this in private. However, the time to talk? Should have been before he decided to publicly bring up unrelated past Everybody Edits drama on my thread.

Hey you like Zelda games. Will you be playing Tears of the Kingdom when it comes out?

Even enough it was on the list with many other titles. I can't play it. Even if someone were to pre order the game for me? I don't really have a working controller right now thanks to Nintendo's faulty Joycons. It wouldn't be so bad if it only cost about 10-20 dollars to replace. But anew pair of Joycons? Is around 100 US and more then likely soon a lot more thanks to inflation.

Is what he said was true and you made this to flame people?

Anyone within the Sailor Moon community would have been able to tell right away from my opening post that this wasn't a trollpost.

Is Togashi your favorite author?

No, but I have read a lot of his work. I know this is going to come off as bizarre to you since there's millions world wide that consider him to be their second Dad. I just don't have any interest in idolizing people.

Why did you quit playing Splatoon 2?

It was a combination between the Mii posts where people were constantly posting about their sexualities and mental disorders in a kids game that was suppose to be rated 10 and up. (And people wondered why I was a no show for Splatoon 3) And no matter how much you reported it. It was like? Nintendo just didn't care. But yet, if someone like me had even dared posted a message that said, ''For the King of Kings!'' during the Chicken vs Egg Splatfest, while I was on team Chicken. I would have been ban so fast my head would have spun. And also there was no online back up support for the game. Which was the original and only reason why I even got Nintendo online it in the first place. Because everyone knew the online sucked. If you were like me? I just wanted my save files back up on the cloud because I really didn't want to have to defeat inner agent 3 again.

Why did you quit Super Kirby Clash?

When my account was hacked into. The person who did it decided to download my save data from the cloud and play on my save file in-game. And by the time I made it back? None of the higher levels wanted anything to do with me, almost as if the person who had my save data either trolled everyone in-game or they sucked that badly at the game and destroyed my reputation, since in that game? It's deem unacceptable for someone who has achieve 'Role Ruler' to be making mistakes like a new user. The only person who would even go with me to do anything was, Dashack. I don't know if it was because he felt obligated too because he was on my friends list, or what. But I didn't want their reputation being ruin just for being affiliated with me so I left.

I sent you a invation to play Mario Party Superstars, this summer. Why didn't you show up?

I don't currently own any of the Mario Party games for the switch. If you saw my account playing those games this summer? Then that honestly wasn't me.

Did you ever get that one BJD you wanted?

No.

Have you ever felt like you were a boy?

No, and why would I feel like a guy? I swear, you and other people always seem to ask me the most bizarre questions.

Why did you call Yu Yu Hakusho Poltergeist Report? I thought it was called Ghost files.

Some have called it, Little Ghost Book. While others have called it Ghost files or Poltergeist Report over the years. So I guess it just depends on who you ask.

To the one who asked if I was going to go back and edit my opening post to fix my grammar and broken English.

I might. As some of you already know I was sick with bronchitis at the time when I was making this thread. But because I had told certain people in advance I would be done with part 1 before the end of may. Despite the fact I was sick, I still wanted to keep my word. But I might go back later after I an done posting part 2 and fix how I worded a few things to make it a bit easier to read.

Did you already watch the Toon Makers pilot in advance before joking about the wheel chair?

Truthfully? I didn't. But now that it's posted on YouTube, I did watch it. And it turns out I was right about mocking her being useless without that chair.

To the guy who asked me if I knew what became of Helios and Chibiusa's relationship in the end?

I honestly don't know. And your not the only one who has ask this question. This was one of the loose ends in the series that people wanted Closure on and never got an answer too that has been the topic of speculation on a number of online threads over the years. The only one who can truly answer this question is Naoko herself. Which is kind of odd when you think about it. because when a author ends a series they normally have no issue coming forward and explaining what became of certain things when people ask. And despite the fact people who ship them online believe, 'Oh, they have kissed twice! They're practically married!' It's never been clarified what became of them in the manga after they promise to meet each other again one day. If I were to take an educated guess? I assumed based off all the for shadowing? After Lady Serenity return home. They dated for a time, until they finally got married and had a kid. (Or twins since a lot of people online really want them to have twins for some odd reason...) But still, until it's been confirm. We don't know if he's still alive (since he would be about 2,000 years old at that point,) or if he has completely forgot about her. Since in her present time in the 30th century, it would have been about 908 years since he's last seen her. And if he's still alive and does remember her? We just don't know.

What's the deal with that one world you made with the anime character in it?

You mean the 'My Waifu' thing?

It was mainly for a joke and to see users freak out reaction when they entered that world. But to my shock, people who showed up made a unanimous decision that Hiei, from Yu Yu Hakusho really is the best Waifu. And I was just sitting at my labtop not really knowing how to react to that when it happen.

To that certain someone who decided to give me hell for watching Sailor Moon and reading the manga when it contains things like incest. Well here is my response to that.

You know that show you really, really love called Steven Universe. You know, that show that was primarily made for kids. That 'heavily borrows' too much of it's inspiration from certain animes (including this show. You can say there isn't but there's just one too many similarities between it and this show to be a coincidence) that you told me off about not giving the show a proper chance when I spoke my criticism about it. Well here's a fun fact for ya. Steven universe not only contain incest, but inbreeding as well. Before you blow up at me and claim it doesn't. Have you forgotten about the human zoo?

And lastly, to the person who wondered if I was going to bring up the fanbase at some point? Well, I might as well get this over with...

The still active sailor moon fandom consist of,

The stans who idolize and worship the show and Naoko, as if their this sacred religious, God-like figure. (Despite the fact there's zero indication anywhere she wanted to be treated this way.) And mentally can't handle it when you say anything about the show in general. (Even if it's not anything really bad.) And will go out of their way to try to mock, publicly humiliate you, and try to claim things like, 'You just haven't watch the show!' And when that excuse doesn't work? They'll try to shut you down in anyway possible. Almost as if they can't wrap their minds around the concept that other people have free will and are allowed to dislike something they don't.

The ones who just like the show or cosplaying in their own custom fuku. While some just collect the merch. (These are the normal ones, lol)

The ones who claim everything about Sailor Moon is just awful! And say they can't stand anything about it, and wish the show would just... DIE ALREADY! And yet? They tune in to watch it religiously anytime new content comes out.

The people who mock Naoko's illustrations. And yet, anything they draw resembles this.

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Oh yeah, I went there! If you want to go a few rounds? We can go!

The 90s anime purest.

The manga purest.

The people who wished the manga had as many arcs and chapters as One Piece... Why? No. Seriously, Do the people who wish for this have any idea what actually goes into being a Mangaka?

The people who are upset that Sailor Moon Parallel never continued and was never given an TV adaptation. Despite the fact it's only one chapter long.

The people who are still upset to this day, Code Name Sailor V never got a TV adaptation.

The people who believe the live action version of Sailor Moon is superior to everything else ever made.

The people who believe viz did a terrible job dubbing Sailor Moon solely because they didn't use Japanese Honorifics. (Despite the fact they kind of did use them.)

The ones who claim to have seen all the episodes and movies of the 90s version. But when you ask them about the Memorial Specials. They're like, ''What's that?''

The ones who refuse to watch Crystal, treating it like this unholy abomination for <INSERT REASON HERE!>. Despite the fact Sailor Moon Crystal was literally Naoko's wish for the series. That is to have a anime adaptation of Sailor Moon, more like how she wrote it.

The ones who were only fans of the 90s anime and are still throwing a tantrum over the fact that the 90s version didn't get a rebot

The ones who claim they don't make certain types of art or stories that express, 'strong feelings'. But when you stumble across their alt account on certain sites after you recognize the art or writing style. And realize, it's them! And after you question them about it? They make up the excuse that they just have a lot of 'strong feelings' on the inside that needed to be express on the internet. And when you asked them, well can you do <insert name of ship pairing here> next? They point behind you and say, ''Oh, UFO!'' And even if you don't fall for that? They just take off running.

Guys who are closet fans and don't want to openly admit they like show.

The ones who just watch the show or read the manga and go about their day. (Also the normal ones)

The people who scream, 'She's only 14!' at any strong feeling art that's made of Usagi. Despite the fact she looks the same at almost 1,000 years old.

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The ones who ship certain characters together, wanting them to be gay/lesbians to the point where they get royally **** off when it's not portrayed that way within the show it's self.

The ones who wanted all the guys on the show to be like Sailor Moon and have a magical girl outfit too. Despite the fact Naoko stated herself the only ones getting a magical girl outfit. Are the girls.

The third and fourth wave feminists who invaded the community (Yes, their part of the community too even though no one actually wants them there.) Who obviously can't stand men despite the show featuring things like romance and kissing and between couples. And they had they're nerve to try to cancel and label certain characters as problematic over certain things. And to no one's surprise. The fangirls (and some guys too) dress in their custom fuku's, wielding proplica moon sticks from the show, and gave them a beating. Ironically those same people who claim to be ''fans'' of Sailor Moon? Don't even realize jokes like this were made within the comics.

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And to those who were offended by those images and want to now cancel Naoko over it? If that's the hill you wish to die on? Be my guest. But just know that death by Sailor Moon proplica Moon sticks is a humiliating way to go out. Because her fanbase will defend their Queen.

The ones who enjoy correcting art to make them more, ''Racially Accurate'' despite the fact Sailor Moon and it's cast of characters on the show are already Japanese. And those corrections they made to the art were racist.

The newcomers to the series who claim to love the show and care a lot about Naoko. But for some odd reason threaten her life when they joke about killing all the straight people. (You know who you are. And you're a vile piece of ****!)

And lastly, there's people like me who want to like the show. But there's just things you can't really look past to enjoy it.

And now on with the actual rant.

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frostflare · 2022-12-24 03:21:00

First off, if you watch this show growing up only to find out later in life that you were into certain things?

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I'm sorry.

Since I already know a certain someone I now is going to ask what episode the women are wrestling in, for 'scientific research'. It's episode 63.

I have always had a strong belief that with any form of art it's better for third parties not to interfere with the creativity of the artist original intent. Although I'll admit, sometimes interference from outside sources does create a better work that does hold up well over time. But in Sailor Moon's case? This was far from the exception. Don't get me wrong. I'm happy that Naoko personally changed her original ending, because getting emotionally attach to characters only for everyone to inevitably die? Not only would have sucked. But it wouldn't have been as emotional or felt as earn as the ending we eventually got for the manga. But a part of me just wishes if they were going to continue the story after the first arc? Changes to certain aspects were never made. Such as Usagi's hair color. For instance. Did you know her hair was originally pink while she was in her civilian form. And Silver while she was Sailor Moon and Serenity. Which is why I take it when Naoko created Sailor Cosmos (Sailor Moon's final form) she gave her those features. But you know? Toei had a perfect opportunity to finally implement this in the reboot for the series. Since Crystal was suppose to be a faithful adaptation of the manga, and they didn't do this.

Also to everyone who complain about the new Eternal movies when they gave Princess Serenity Silver hair. No, Toei didn't screw up. That is how she was originally suppose to look.

You can read more about it here. https://www.tuxedounmasked.com/why-does … pink-hair/

It kind of makes me wonder if Chibiusa would have had Silver hair when she transform too. But I digress.

For the second arc, while Naoko struggle to try to think of a way to continue her popular series.

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Toei decided to make the first half of season two filler to give Naoko time to write for the story. Essentially making their adaptation only 28 episodes long if you cut out all the filler. The manga for the second arc may have had only 14 chapters. But what Naoko ultimately created for the series? Even though it's not bad, I still feel to this day is the most messed up arc out of the whole series. Well, if your like me and you over analyze implications of events that take place. Which leads us to: The Black Moon Clan arc. Or what I personally call the start of the Sweet Home Alabama saga.

This is part of why I disliked Sailor Moon if you couldn't guess.

And btw? For those of you who felt the need to point this out. I'm aware it's called a synopsis. But since synopsis and summary pretty much mean the same thing. I just called it a summary. But I guess for the sake of this rant I'll use the word synopsis from now on.

The synopsis for the manga, and now Crystal.

Still wanting to get his hands on the Silver Crystal to rewrite and control the universe. In the far future, another incarnation of Chaos known as Death Phantom, invades and attacks the Earth when the Earth is united again under one government as Usagi and Mamoru now rule together as Neo Queen Serenity and King Endymion. After Death Phantom solely destroys Crystal Tokyo, turning it into a city of crime and ruins. Neo Queen Serenity, finally stops him. However, because of his powers? She was unable to administer the death penalty. As an alternative. She banished him to the farthest planet in the galaxy, Nemesis. Before hundreds of years later, Death Phantom sends his followers to Earth, wreaking havoc in the 30th century. Leaving everybody except for a small Princess and her cat, dead or incapacitated. Alone, scared, unable to defend herself. Believing that this whole mess was her fault because she took the Silver Crystal from it's pedestal without asking. And with a deranged cult known as the Black Moon clan trying to track her down and kill her. Trying to think of a solution, Small Lady steals a time key from the guardian of the underworld. Before committing a taboo, traveling through time, back to the year 1993 in order to find the past version of her Mother.

Since Chaos doesn't really exist in the 90s version until later, and things start to really differentiate from the original source material in this arc.

The synopsis for the 90s adaptation.

In the far future after Usagi and Mamoru were wed and Usagi was acknowledge as the Queen of the Earth after saving the planet from a cold sleep. Her daughter, Small lady, tired of waiting to be just like her Mother. Breaks into the room where the Silver Crystal is stored by using Luna P. And removes it off it's pedestal, holding it without permission. Resulting in it vanishing without a trace. Even though her Mother would know right away how to fix this mess. To avoid getting into trouble. She plays dumb, resulting in the family heirloom the Queen uses to protect the planet going missing at the same time when the Black Moon clan decides to invade and attack the earth, leaving to a number of casualties. In order to protect the sole heir to the throne from meeting the same fate as her parents. An order was given sending the small Princess back to the past for her own protection until the Silver Crystal is located. And on her trip traveling back through time. She concocted a scheme to take the Silver Crystal from the past and replace it with the one that went missing in the future. Not really caring about the ramifications of her actions.

I guess I should state this now before I continue any further. If you like any version of Sailor Moon? That is your personal choice and preference to do so, because you're more then free to do that. However I'm going to have to request from this point forward if you comment below or feel the need to direct message me over this thread. That you respect the fact this is my rant thread. Sure you may not like everything I am saying about a show you enjoy watching. But it's really not your place to grill me over it. And for continuity sake, I will be continuing to use Miss Dream's translated version.

When DIC dub season two of Sailor Moon. They again altered a lot of scenes and surprisingly they only cut one episode. I guess showing a volcano erupting on screen was too much? But surprisingly they didn't try to censor the relationship in the Makaiju arc (aka filler arc between season 1 and 2) with An and Eiru. Those of you who may have seen the show but don't remember what was so bad about this? You find out at the end of that arc when the Hell Tree is giving it's backstory. That Eiru and An were not only overly jealous lovers. But brother and sister since they were born from the same tree pod...

Again, how did this get past the censors in the 90s? Did someone slip a five under the table or something?

DIC even dub the Sailor Moon R movie that featured a guy named Fiore, who was part of the same race as Eiru and An. That DIC tried really, really hard to get the audience to believe that all he wanted to do was become really good, best bros with Mamoru. But couldn't do it because his girlfriend was just in the way. Before he ultimately decided to keep up the on going theme seen through out the entire series...

You see someone who catches your fancy and you got the power? Just swoop in and claim them for yourself, leaving consent to only be a seven letter word.

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I know some of you reading this will feel I just made a really messed up joke. But again, keep in mind. Sailor Moon wasn't intended for four to eight year olds. And When Naoko created Sailor Moon and drew illustrations like this into her comic.

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Or even when Toei wrote and animated scenes like this into the show.

I don't believe they ever thought for a moment, years later. That this would be water down by Canada, before being aired around the same time slot as Sesame Street over here in United States.

If your wondering what age group Sailor Moon would be suited for? I'd say around 12 and up. Or depending on how emotionally mature the individual is. Because everyone is different and some of the imagery from the comics and TV series can be a bit much, even for fully grown adults to handle. Like in the first episode of the 90s anime where the monster twists it's neck 180° like an owl. Or the creepy doll scene from the first episode of season four. Where they repeat over and over again for a few minutes. ''The humans don't notice!''

When it came time to air the final 17 episodes of season two on television over here in the west? The series ultimately was deem a failure and was cancelled after 65 episodes. (This happen more then once) Although, looking back on it now? They were probably just panicking behind the scenes trying to figure out a way to censor certain aspects about the show, like this scene.

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Which led to the fanbase to panic, leading to hilarious petitions such as this. http://www.saveoursailors.org/

I still don't understand why North American Sailor Moon fans felt going out and buying strawberry pop tarts would change anything. But I'm sure Kellogg's did enjoy the spike in sales.

In the 90s adaptation after the hell tree arc when Mamoru and Usagi finally started dating. Because he had lost his memories for about 10 episodes. And if your wondering? That never happen in the manga. I guess Toei felt their relationship was now too peaceful? So they added unnecessary drama into it by making them break up over one of the dumbest reasons I seen on TV that's only rival in soap operas. And the reason why was, King Endymion from the 30th century. Decided to give the past version of himself and his wife (who was only his gf at the time) prophetic dreams. Leaving both of them to believe if they stay together? Then Usagi will die! And after all the pain and heartache he made both of them suffer through, especially Usagi, because they made it seem like she was going to die from a broken heart if things weren't mended soon.

This kind of annoyed a lot of people.

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And King Endymion's excuse when he was finally confronted by them, was he needed to test them to make sure they were able to face the upcoming crisis... Since he was able to meet them face to face and have that talk anyways. Why couldn't he just warn them in advance of what he was doing then make them go through those tests?

I know despite the fact it was left vague. It was kind of hinted at in both the manga and the 90s version that everything that took place within Sailor Moon has already happen, and the future version of them selves from the 30th century, are waiting for the audience watching and the past version of them selves from the 20th century to experience what they already went through. Which would kind of explain why Neo Queen Serenity Already knew her daughter was the one to take the Silver Crystal. Or how in the 90s version, Death Phantom may not have known where Chibiusa was living. But he knew of time and places where she would appear and was able to warn his subordinates of future events.

But still, this is stupid for a number of reasons. Not only did King Endymion risk changing history by making it so his own daughter wasn't even born. But despite the fact 90s adaptation is base off the Manga. If it weren't for the fact Death Phantom's powers were kind of nerf down in that version? Then that test would have been pointless and a waste of time. Because in the Manga, anyone who is unfortunate enough to cross paths with Death Phantom? Is pretty much screwed! Which is how this came to be.

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And if you were curious? Yes, King Endymion did reach out to his past self in the Manga. But that was only because of this.

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When someone I know sees those pictures, they're going to be like, ''Wait! Tuxedo Mask wasn't useless in that version?''

The next character I am about to talk about gets a lot of hate within the community by certain people. And some of it's kind of justified. While some of it isn't.

I suppose I should state this now before I continue any further. Remember when I mention in my opening post that Sailor Moon has incest? Well I am going to be talking about that now. So if your not for that? Don't click on the spoiler below. That is your only warning!

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When Usagi Small Lady Serenity. Aka, Chibiusa, (Mini Usagi for short,)

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Or if you only watched the English dubs in the 90s and early 2000s? Then you know her as 'Rini'. Was first introduced into the cast. People's opinions about her were divided into four different groups.

There's was the people who love and adore her. And wish the series would have continued with her as the main character.

The ones who are indifferent towards her and don't care either way.

The ones who are annoyed by her presence on screen.

And lastly the people who just absolutely hated her and wished she had stayed dead in the third arc because of how much of a marry sue she turn out to be later on in the 90s version.

For me personally when it comes to the manga? I was indifferent towards her. Mainly because the way it was frame? Everything that took place in that arc was just a series of unfortunate circumstances. But for the 90s adaptation? I'm part of the group who were annoyed by her presence on screen. And it's because she was portrayed as this very entitled, spoiled, conniving, and manipulative brat! To the point where you were deeply concern for Usagi's safety that some deranged psychopath infiltrated her life and home. When she was going around doing things like, drugging and brainwashing people for personal gain. All while crying for her Mommy and Daddy to come save her anytime she caused anything within the show to happen. And despite Mamoru and Usagi not realizing at the time that was their daughter. Each time they did come to her rescue, and it was like? Chibiusa wasn't even grateful that Sailor Moon was protecting her. Even going as far as to tell Usagi things like this when she tried to get her to safety.

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She even jump off the 10th floor balcony of Mamoru's apartment just to get away from Usagi...

Not to mention most of everything bad that happen in that arc? Was literally her fault!

And if any of you were curious? She did start to change and become a better person towards the mid point of the season. But that's only because Usagi finally had enough of her **** and scream at her, almost slapping her before being stop by Mamoru. Telling her this was all her fault! When Mercury, Jupiter, Mars, and Venus were kidnap and taken hostage by Rubeus thanks to her actions. And Usagi had to go in and fix her screw up!

I know most of you who never read the manga before are probably thinking right about now since the 90s adaptation is base off the original source material. Then Chibiusa must have been a little sociopath like her 90s counterpart.

She wasn't. Yeah she was bratty towards Usagi, (I know people got annoy by the fact she acted like a brat in the manga. But keep in mind, no matter how well behave a child may seem? All of them do act like brats from time to time and Naoko did portray Chibiusa like a real child.) and pulled a prank in her debut when she pulled a toy gun on her like in the 90s adaptation when she demanded Usagi handed over the Silver Crystal. But despite the fact both versions of Chibiusa already had the Silver Crystal in their possession. (Yeah, this is why I said the mess was her fault.) But unlike her 90s counter part. Chibiusa didn't have access to her powers because she hadn't awaken yet. (Which is kind of why she had Luna P) And her reasoning for needing the Silver Crystal? Was different from the 90s version. Because the one from the manga truly believed that the one from her time period had lost all it's powers and the only way to fix it was by getting another Silver Crystal to replace it.

And unlike in the manga. The 90s version of Chibiusa apparently had no clue that Sailor Moon was her mother? And the one from the manga was actually scared if she was just up front and honest with the past version of her Mother and Father about asking for help? They wouldn't believe her. And in her defense. If you were a teenager hanging out with your boyfriend/girlfriend. And some little girl who looks no older then 6 years old, came up to you, claiming they were your daughter and needed your help. Especially if you never been with anyone before and believed time travel didn't exist. Would you really believe them? Or think this was some elaborate prank someone was pulling on you?

And in the manga and Crystal, Chibiusa's reason for even infiltrating Usagi's home? Yeah like her 90s counterpart, she did brainwashed Usagi's family into believing she was Usagi's cousin... (No snickering allowed!) But unlike her 90s counterpart it wasn't for any malicious reasons. She was legit afraid and felt safe sleeping in Usagi's home. So she moved into her home without asking. And no, unlike the 90s version she didn't do things like trash Usagi's bedroom. And you find out later in the arc a secret part of her just really wanted to finally bond and feel like she was loved by her own mother (even if it was the past version of her) when you find out this was a thing.

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If you wonder why She would treat her own daughter this way? Despite the fact she did love her. (Please don't take what I'm saying as factual. This is only my theory) I can only assume before the whole time loop began, that the original Neo Queen Serenity, either blame herself for every mistake she ever made in the past and became super strict about everything to the point where she didn't even realize she was making her own daughter feel neglected. Or she was secretly jealous of her own daughter. And now because of the whole time loop, to now not tamper with time, everyone now has to act accordingly in order for things to play out like before.

If you wonder why I didn't show a comparison from Crystal? It's now pretty much shot for shot from episode 21 if you want to go see it for yourself. Plus I'm trying to keep the clips I upload to minimal just in case Toei discovers this thread.

I know some of you reading this maybe thinking to yourself, ''My gosh! Cut the 90s version of Chibiusa some slack. She was only 6-7 after all!'' Oh, how wrong you are.

You see, unlike the manga and the new reboot in Crystal, where they tell you up front just how old Chibiusa is.

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In the 90s version despite specifically giving vague hints given about how old she is. DIC censored lines like this regarding her age within the series. Leading everyone who watched it to believe (base off her height when she first made her appearance) that she was only 6 or 7 years old in the second grade. And honestly, I had assumed that was the case at first two. Until a little while ago when I saw a thread online where someone mention her age was included. But it was only in the Sailor Moon R Memorial (OVA) Special. To my knowledge the memorial specials were never dub in English. Which means we miss out on national treasures such as this.

And because I wanted to double check and not just mindlessly parrot information I had no idea if it was even true. I decided to track down a copy online to see if it was truly in there. And true enough at around the 24 minute mark, this conversation specifically takes place. Which only poses the question if crucial information wasn't within the actual series it's self. Does it still make it cannon?

So yeah, in the 90s version Chibiusa is a 900 year old woman, who's stuck with the physical appearance and mentality of a small child because she never went through puberty.

And because DIC decided to censor and water down the series and make it 'child friendly'. this created huge problems years later after Cloverway acquired the licensing to dub the show, as they too continued to keep up the censorship. And completely changing lines within the story of the show making certain things feel off. And to those of you who don't know what the controversies revolving around Cloverway's dub of Sailor Moon was? Well one is regarding this.

Neptune and Uranus are not actually 'cousins' to those of you who weren't aware. That was just Cloverway's way of censoring the fact they were lesbians. But they didn't go back and fix certain scenes to reflect upon this, which is why this became a meme that is still on going to this day.

And the other one was regarding Chibiusa during the airing of Sailor Moon Super S (season 4) on Cartoon Network, when her love interest named Helios was introduced. Despite his height and physical appearance compared to the rest of the cast.

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Because in the English dub they censored Chibiusa's age but left His intact. He's over 1,000 years old if your curious. Plus thanks to a miscommunication behind the scenes at Cloverway, they cast someone to play him that sounded a lot older then his physical age. Plus in the Manga it was made known early on to everyone that Helios was a human like the rest of them, but he was cursed by Nehelenia to take on the appearance of a alicorn, before trapping him in a giant bird cage. I already know a certain someone I know is going to ask why did she keep him alive and trap him in a giant bird cage. To gawk at him of course! Because in her own words she said.

That curse was lifted at the end of that arc in the manga. But in the 90s version, thanks to the fact he could shapeshift at will into a flying horse. It was unclear to many people whether he was human or some hybrid creature, which disturb many people. Also because the Memorial (OVA) Specials were never dub in English. Leading people to believe Helios was some grown man who used to constantly enter a grade schooler's bedroom at night, unbeknownst to both her parents. As they started becoming more close before they ended up finally kissing. Which is how He ended up being label as 'pedo-horse' by the internet. And that nick name only stuck because the internet is forever and they wanted to make this show ''child friendly''. But you know? Sailor Moon wasn't the only anime to get censored. Which may come to a shock for some of you to learn who still haven't put two and two together. But HFIL isn't a real place in Dragon Ball Z. They weren't eating jelly filled donuts in Pokemon. Sanji wasn't smoking lillipops and the Navy doesn't use toy guns in One Piece. And in Yugioh, no one points aggressively at someone to get them to comply. And the 'Shadow Realm' doesn't actually exist and those were actually death games they were playing. Which is why it was odd seeing that one guy use a parachute to stop himself from going to the Shadow Realm in the 4kids dub. But you know? With how strick western censorship was with cartoons. I'm a bit surprise this scene didn't get censor.

But I digress.

Both In the manga and 90s version, Chibiusa ends up developing an really unhealthy infatuation with the past version of her father. In the 90s version, (DIC censored this) she ends up developing feelings for Mamoru, at the start of the season solely because he was polite and good looking.

I seen people online trying to defend this, claiming that's a normal thing that little girls do. Yeah it's true that one out of ever 40 girls or so between the ages of 2 and 7 years old, do say, ''Dad is my boyfriend!'' or ''I'm going to marry Daddy.'' The thing is? Their naïve, and don't know what they're even saying. Which is why no one takes them seriously as they grow out of it and find someone around their own age. This doesn't really work with Chibiusa because she is literally 900 years old and it's implied within that version she knows better.

While in the manga because of all the mistreatment Chibiusa received by the people around her. When she time travel back to the past and met the past version of her parents. Despite the other Sailor Guardians telling Usagi this.

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The 15 year old version of her mother kept screaming at her, openly accusing her and blaming her for everything. Despite what was happening? Not really being her fault! Which is why Chibiusa decided to start staying over at Mamoru's place, after he invited her to stay one night when he saw the fact she was sitting outside alone in the pouring rain when she didn't feel comfortable staying at Usagi's house anymore.

You know? Towards the first half of that arc. You kind of sympathize with Usagi as to why she was so frustrated with Chibiusa. Because when she first showed up demanding the Silver Crystal. Then when she asked more then once, who she was and why she was here? Chibiusa refused to answer. And to top it all off? Some new enemy was abducting her friends, one by one. And Chibiusa just so happen to be in the area when it was first happening. But even after Usagi found out time travel exists and that was her daughter and why she needed her help? She still immaturely screamed and yelled. All because the girl didn't want to go home with her anymore after she had made it perfectly clear how much she hated and distrust her.

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Which is kind of how in the manga Chibiusa ended up developing a unhealthy infatuation with Mamoru after she met him. Because he was one of the only people who treated her with kindness and respect. But unlike her 90s counter part from the anime. She didn't openly express her feelings until after she fell victim to Death Phanton.

And even though I don't really see this being talk about online? Mamoru was kind of no better.

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And yes. Despite the fact they remove calendar and the mention of Mamoru's birthday coming up soon. It was in Crystal.

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(Maybe this is why Chibiusa felt she stood a chance.)

Sure, at the time he didn't who know that was his daughter. And some may argue that he reacted that way because he was just a huge fan of cuteness. Which is the number one weakness for all Leos! I know because I am one.

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But I just get the feeling if Chibiusa fell through the time portal looking like this?

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Sailor Moon would have had a slightly different age rating...

All honestly? Most who I spoken to in the Sailor Moon community about this issue? Wishes incest wasn't a thing in Sailor Moon. Or just made it so she only acted this way when she was under Death Phantom's influence. Because this?

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Is disgusting.

I know not the best example as to what she did while she was Black Lady. But remember, I'm trying to keep this as family friendly as possible...

And if your curious? In the manga, Chibiusa does have an epiphany in the fourth arc of the manga with this moment after her wish was temporarily grant of finally looking an adult.

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To those of you who watch the Eternal movie and wondered why this key moment for her character development wasn't in there? Long story short. It was, but it was combine with a few other scenes. Making it kind of if you blink you'll miss it moment in the Eternal movie.

I guess I might as well talk about the members of the Black Moon Clan or this post will be super short.

The cult known as the black moon clan was completely different from the 90s version in the manga and crystal. In the manga and crystal, the clan was a group of people who were resentful of Neo Queen Serenity's reign, believing those of the white moon to be corrupt and their lifespans were profane. So their goal was to time travel back to the past and create a new history, removing Crystal Tokyo from existence.

While in the 90s anime, the Black Moon Clan's goal was to destroy Crystal Tokyo in the 30th Century. Before Eventually, shifting their attention to destroy the past after chasing after chibiusa when she time travel there.

The four Strange Sisters, Spectre Sisters, (or what ever you what to call them): Koan, Berthier, Calaveras, and Petz.

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In the Manga, after seeing the chaos and destruction the Four Sisters were causing. Unsure of who they are and to protect everyone. Without hesitation, both Usagi and Mamoru had no issue eliminating them.

While in the 90s anime, Sure the Sisters motives were the same. And despite all the pain and suffering they were causing to countless people through out the season. It was like Toei wanted you to forget all of that as they tried to get you to feel sympathy for them when each one realize they didn't have a place to go back to By adding in scenes like this as they decided to redeem them...

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Yeah, lets all forget the fact the four sisters literally help hurt and kill countless people and stalked and hunted down a small little girl like prey with the intention to kill her. But it's ok because they found 'sisterly love.'

You would think the sisters would thank the Sailor Scouts by telling them useful information about what the cult was planning. Because in the manga all the Clan members were fully aware of what they were doing and why. But I guess because the plot wasn't ready to progress in the 90s version. So they added this excuse.

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The Boule Brothers: Chiral and Achiral

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Besides just being minor inconveniences that stood in Sailor Moon's way. I don't really have much to say about the twins because when I had first watch the 90s version, I had assume they were just random droids Saphir created (the monster of the week) base off how Toei portrayed them. It wasn't until around the Death Busters arc that I started reading the manga first to see what was going to happen next when I learn they were actual members of the Dark Moon Clan, and the 90s version just forgot to introduce them as such. But still, I kind of forget they were even a thing until I was looking up information from the series when making this thread to double check if I misremembered anything. (It's been a long time since I watched the show or fully read the manga.) At first I kind of felt bad about forgetting they even existed. Until I found out I wasn't alone in this. >.<

Rubeus

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In the 90s version, he was the leader of the Four Sister and kind of an manipulative **** too. I recalled this guy being a bigger threat in that version then in the manga as well before being killed when his spaceship blew up with him on it.

While in the manga, he was killed by Wiseman for trying to flee.

Esmeraude

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If you wonder why did I remove certain written information feature in that photo of her? Well I don't believe forums staff would have appreciate it that much if I didn't take the time to censor quotes like, ''She has a huge ****'' out of the image.

She was loud, obnoxious, self centered, and smip after Prince Demand. Despite the fact the guy isn't really something worth fighting for. And in that adaptation for some reason she outlived Rubeus. And in that version they even decided to her turn into a dragon before she was defeat. Because I guess... Fan service?

While in the Manga She was eliminated by Mamoru.

Saphir

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Just like with the Four strange sisters in the 90s version. They tried to make him more sympathetic then the his more sociopathic counterpart in the Manga. After he realize he was being used by Wiseman in that version? He was killed for wrong think.

In the Manga he was eliminated by his own brother, Prince Demande.

I already know this next part may get censored by forum staff. But I am going to try to keep this as family friendly as possible.

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Black lady. Or 'Wicked Lady' if you only seen the censor DIC version.

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Why did they feel calling her Black Lady would be offensive since the word 'Black' is just the name of a color? Hell if I know.

In the 90s version Chibiusa ended up becoming her after she was kid nap and brainwashed by DeathPhantom when she stupidly ran off and left the safety of the palace. And when Sailor Moon was about to chase after her to make sure she was alright. Mamoru to stop her and told her this.

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Dad of the year everyone!

In the Manga. DeathPhantom takes advantage of the situation after was Small Lady goes off alone after she drops her time key by mistake and gets lost in the void, before he finds her and brainwashes her.

In both the 90s version and manga, she is the only member of the Black Moon Clan to live. However unlike the 90s anime when both Usagi and Mamoru were able to reach out to her and help her break free from DeathPhantom's influence.

In the manga because Mamoru had also fallen under DeathPhantom's influence. Usagi's wasn't able to reach her thanks to how resentful she had become of her. And with no one else left who could help her in her situation, Pluto ended up making the ultimate sacrifice to save her friend, resulting in Small Lady finally awakening her powers and being able to transform.

And lastly, DeathPhantom/Wiseman.

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He dead...

I know most of you reading this will be like, ''Wait, that's it?'' Yeah, thanks to lack of sleep and with everything going on in real life since I released part one of this thread, and people questioning why haven't finish part two yet? My last two brain cells are just on strike right now. I don't know, maybe I will fill this section in later if I can think of anything to add.

And this is the part where I guess I am suppose to wine about something from the show I didn't like. And I guess it would have to be the episode, 'Mirror, Mirror on the Wall.' Where Usagi's friends all wanted to kiss Mamoru when he was playing Prince charming in the Snow White play... It's just? Who ever wrote that episode obviously doesn't understand how women and teenage girls work. And seems to have forgotten about a previous conversation that Rei and Usagi had in episode 38.

So what was changed for Crystal?

For Crystal, I was going to talk about the version I originally saw years ago when it first aired on Crunchyroll. Until I realized Toei decided to go back and edit very obvious mistakes from the rush production of Season two that people complain about. But theres still remnants of what was once there within the show. Like when they screw up and gave Neo Queen Serenity Yellow hair.

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(I notice these things because I am literally that guy!)

Yeah this was 'fix' mostly when they went back and edited it. But there were still some details on it that looked off even in the edited version. Like in the picture below with the crescent moon on her forehead not matching the tilled of her head.

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For season two of Crystal they left out certain things with the side cast that established relationships. Like Motoki knowing about the Sailor guardians. Because I just wish things like this weren't removed in Crystal.

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Despite Toei going back and editing season two. They for some reason decided to keep the art style the same as season one to match the uncanny 3D models in the CGI transformation scenes. That to this day, no one really cared for and were disturb those who saw them.

There was very obvious mistakes in this season that were left in. Like Usagi using the wrong weapon in this scene. Because I guess they either weren't paying their animators enough money so they just recycled animation that was used in the previous season. Pure laziness from the production team to even care enough to make sure things like this were correct before it was release to the public. Or the rumors floating around at the time were allegedly true and people who were task with working on Crystal were upset that Naoko finally got her wish with Sailor Moon. So they were trying to sabotage the series in any way possible.

When it should have played out similar to this.

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Since I already know a certain someone reading through this thread whose never seen the show is going to ask how they were able to float in the air like that. Well in the manga and the 90s version all of the Sailor Guardians have their own unique set of powers. (And when it seemed to be convenient for the plot in the 90s version.) Each one can super jump, teleport, fly, and even float in the air for a time.

They also changed up certain relationships from the Manga. Like Prince Demand's relationship with Usagi, even changing how he died to be more like the 90s version. And they made Chibiusa more open about her feelings towards Mamoru in Crystal earlier on in the season, just like with the 90s version. Almost as if they thought it was a good idea to combine ideas from the 90s version into Crystal, when literally I didn't see anyone besides the people who were upset the 90s version didn't get a reboot, asking for that...

I did like the fact they changed it to Chibiusa being called down for dinner instead of shingo barging into his sister rooms. Or how Umino wasn't included this scene in Crystal.

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No, seriously! Why was Umino at Usagi's house?

And lastly that blouse.

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I know my older sister use to mock Usagi's fashion sense, claiming she had the worst wardrobe out of all the girls on the show. (She was mainly talking about the 90s version. But she was right.) But if no one working on Crystal decided to change the design to a more modern sleeveless version,

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Part two of this entire thread would have just been me complaining about that blouse and how it hasn't been in style since the 80s. And no teenage girl or young woman would be caught dead wearing that abomination!

And I guess that's it. But I'll leave you with this bonus clip.

Joeyjoey65

Minimania · 2022-12-24 07:57:14

frostflare wrote:

Should have been before he decided to publicly bring up unrelated past Everybody Edits drama on my thread.

Literally what drama? I mentioned that you don't like to talk to very many members of the community. Is that what you're talking about? I'd hardly call that drama. Hell, I'd call it relatable. Frankly, I never even knew there was past EE drama with you.

I know of you, not because I've met you. But I wanted to meet you and talk to you at one point, I think all the way back in 2017 or 2018. That changed after I talked to somebody (EDIT2: actually, two people told me this), but what we spoke of wasn't negative. I was advised against speaking to you, and when I asked that person why, the explanation I got from them was that you were just rather reserved when it came to the EE community. This is neither a slight nor is it a bad thing.

If you could believe me, I'd much rather be your friend, but I don't get the sense that you want anything to do with me, and our past two interactions have not given me much hope.

EDIT: And I am, once again, curious. Is this an interview of sorts with questions people have asked you, or are they more like questions you came up with on your own and answered? Again, I'm just curious, I'm not judging

frostflare · 2022-12-24 20:08:34

Minimania wrote:

frostflare wrote:
Should have been before he decided to publicly bring up unrelated past Everybody Edits drama on my thread.
Literally what drama? I mentioned that you don't like to talk to very many members of the community. Is that what you're talking about? I'd hardly call that drama. Hell, I'd call it relatable. Frankly, I never even knew there was past EE drama with you.
I know of you, not because I've met you. But I wanted to meet you and talk to you at one point, I think all the way back in 2017 or 2018. That changed after I talked to somebody (EDIT2: actually, two people told me this), but what we spoke of wasn't negative. I was advised against speaking to you, and when I asked that person why, the explanation I got from them was that you were just rather reserved when it came to the EE community. This is neither a slight nor is it a bad thing.
If you could believe me, I'd much rather be your friend, but I don't get the sense that you want anything to do with me, and our past two interactions have not given me much hope.

EDIT: And I am, once again, curious. Is this an interview of sorts with questions people have asked you, or are they more like questions you came up with on your own and answered? Again, I'm just curious, I'm not judging

Not only did you make assumptions about me. But the fact that you had no idea about my situation? Only goes to show that sometimes it's best not to comment about someone else, even if you genially believe you have the best of intentions at heart. Because you don't know how they'll react! And yeah, it's true I'm reserved. But back then if you genially wanted talk to me back then? Why didn't you? No ones my keeper! There was literally nothing stopping you other then the power of their suggestion! Honestly, if no one approached me to talk to me, or vice versa. Then I would literally have no friends...

And despite the fact I already stated why I posted that. Those were literally things people have asked me over the years. I just didn't feel like digging through all the receipt like this just to prove it.

And if I'm going to be honest? Your right! After everything that's happen? You and many others, aren't really on my list of most fond people to be around. And I am going to need a lot of time to be able to sincerely interact with many of you like I once did.

Edit: Originally I wasn't going to include any user names of any user because I was unsure how any of them felt being mention in my thread. But after talking it over with someone else and coming to the mutual agreement that it would be better in the long run to post the unedited version of the screen shot I showed to avoid anyone in the future, (if they haven't already.) of openly accusing me of trying to gaslight the readers, reading through this thread. Since Minimania decided to essentially bring it up where it could be interpreted that way. Just here.

Joeyjoey65

Minimania · 2022-12-24 20:11:47

frostflare wrote:

But back then if you genially wanted talk to me back then? Why didn't you? No ones my keeper! There was literally nothing stopping you other then the power of their suggestion!

Because I didn't want to make you uncomfortable. I'd considered the possibility that talking to you would be the last thing you wanted to happen, and so I heeded their suggestion.

Maybe I made the right choice, or maybe I made the wrong choice. I cannot really make that judgment.

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