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#151 2021-04-17 17:26:12

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

hello freinds it is i your fellow member of society i cant wait until we can play sus game in many hours and vote out all the imposters sus sus


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#152 2021-04-17 18:04:17

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

theoldinese wrote:

hello freinds it is i your fellow member of society i cant wait until we can play sus game in many hours and vote out all the imposters sus sus

theoldinese wrote:

!whisper to minimania: wow thanks for that mafia role you gave me oh nooo everyone can see this message :'( im exposed jk im not mafia or maybe i am you will have to find out

ok, i'm going to share what i whispered to onjit (about the 2nd quote anyway) w/ this thread: with the unprompted "hello fellow not scum"/"i'm not scum or am i lol" jokes, oldinese seems like either newbie scum awkwardly trying to fit in as town, or jester trying to get lynched. i made a similar joke in response to task wanting to see my rolecard earlier, but these are just out of nowhere.

(if that logic is agreed on & scum or jester are the two main possibilities for him to flip, then if no PRs or other self-aligneds are suspected by the end of today and scum doesn't kill him, it's probably because he's scum)


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#153 2021-04-17 19:03:44

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

some woman wrote:
theoldinese wrote:

hello freinds it is i your fellow member of society i cant wait until we can play sus game in many hours and vote out all the imposters sus sus

theoldinese wrote:

!whisper to minimania: wow thanks for that mafia role you gave me oh nooo everyone can see this message :'( im exposed jk im not mafia or maybe i am you will have to find out

ok, i'm going to share what i whispered to onjit (about the 2nd quote anyway) w/ this thread: with the unprompted "hello fellow not scum"/"i'm not scum or am i lol" jokes, oldinese seems like either newbie scum awkwardly trying to fit in as town, or jester trying to get lynched. i made a similar joke in response to task wanting to see my rolecard earlier, but these are just out of nowhere.

(if that logic is agreed on & scum or jester are the two main possibilities for him to flip, then if no PRs or other self-aligneds are suspected by the end of today and scum doesn't kill him, it's probably because he's scum)

they are all my attempts at something positive to enjoy. Not a joke but you just look at it and think "huh.. cool ig"

Also i forgot to specify !Whisper


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#154 2021-04-17 19:06:48

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

He could simply be joking because it's Day 1, but I can see where you're coming from.

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maybe i am you will have to find out

I'm not sure if this is necessary as a joke though, kinda caught my attention but it's a really really minor thing.


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#155 2021-04-17 19:15:37

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

some woman wrote:

(if that logic is agreed on & scum or jester are the two main possibilities for him to flip, then if no PRs or other self-aligneds are suspected by the end of today and scum doesn't kill him, it's probably because he's scum)

Why would a scum kill someone who is suspicious though? A scum could intentionally not kill him to put sus on him. Either way I don't think his jokes indicate anything lol


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#156 2021-04-17 19:48:27

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Why would a scum kill someone who is suspicious though? A scum could intentionally not kill him to put sus on him.

if a jester gets lynched they win (& get an unblockable kill), so if the point of the game is fulfilling one's wincon and preventing other factions from fulfilling theirs, jester would be on scum's hitlist (though relatively low down since they can't do anything until/unless they're lynched). if anything scum would want to defend jester so they don't get lynched before they get the chance to kill them


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#157 2021-04-17 20:30:47

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

I’ve never been jester but i’d imagine i would be very good at it.


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#158 2021-04-17 20:35:09

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Ooh, that makes sense. Also I was gonna say that scum might use Jester to eliminate a town but that might backfire, so that's out of the question I guess.


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#159 2021-04-17 20:48:44

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

do we even know the distribution of town/mafia/scum/neutrals/etc


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#160 2021-04-17 21:35:16

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

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do we even know the distribution of town/mafia/scum/neutrals/etc

i can’t find it lol but tbh i’m fine with the mystery, it makes things a little harder for everyone, also since there are so many roles that can change into other factions already there’s not really any point in knowing bc it could change every night


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#161 2021-04-17 22:00:14

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

from my experience of over 50,000 town of Salem games, along with the evidence I've gathered I'd say peace is jester 100% no doubt in my mind

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#162 2021-04-17 22:42:22

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

some woman wrote:
2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Why would a scum kill someone who is suspicious though? A scum could intentionally not kill him to put sus on him.

if a jester gets lynched they win (& get an unblockable kill), so if the point of the game is fulfilling one's wincon and preventing other factions from fulfilling theirs, jester would be on scum's hitlist (though relatively low down since they can't do anything until/unless they're lynched). if anything scum would want to defend jester so they don't get lynched before they get the chance to kill them

Technically, not all factions need to prevent other's wincon's. One of the first rules (or whatever it was) that Minimania stated was that the game doesn't end when one person achieved their win condition. So theoretically, a Jester could be lynched and the game would still go on. If anything, if mafia had read these rules they would not target a possible jester, because it would only leave more chances for Town to slip up.

Also, quote of the rules if you want proof of what I mean:

Minimania wrote:

• The game does not end if one role wins. For example, if the target of an Executioner is voted out, the Executioner wins, but the game still continues.

TaskManager wrote:

do we even know the distribution of town/mafia/scum/neutrals/etc

No, we don't. But assuming the 'ratio', shall I put it, applies, then with 14 players we're most likely dealing with 9T 3M 1N and one wild card. I just assume this because this is the setup layout I see most often for 13 player games, but since it's a 14 player game, I can't accurately predict what that 14th role's alignment will be. It could turn out to be different in the sake of chaos, but for the time being, we should assume we're dealing with 5 evils.

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from my experience of over 50,000 town of Salem games, along with the evidence I've gathered I'd say peace is jester 100% no doubt in my mind

Peace hasn't talked at all, which is highly suspicious if you ask me ngl


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#163 2021-04-17 22:47:06

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I’ve never been jester but i’d imagine i would be very good at it.

The ToS had quite a nice Jester's tactic before it became overused. After the first night they kept saying "I'm Vigi I tried shooting x but he was immune". The thing about ToS Vigilantes is they can't shoot anybody on the first night - only on the latter ones. Basically such claim usually gave people thoughts that guy is Mafia or any other killing role so they were lynched


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#164 2021-04-17 23:24:11

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Excoluss wrote:
NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I’ve never been jester but i’d imagine i would be very good at it.

The ToS had quite a nice Jester's tactic before it became overused. After the first night they kept saying "I'm Vigi I tried shooting x but he was immune". The thing about ToS Vigilantes is they can't shoot anybody on the first night - only on the latter ones. Basically such claim usually gave people thoughts that guy is Mafia or any other killing role so they were lynched

Hey at least we know that the Jester won't be that dumb!! if it exists in this game that is


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#165 2021-04-17 23:36:17

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Kkay wrote:

my experience of over 50,000 town of Salem games,

wow kkay of all people, i would've never thought


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#166 2021-04-18 04:27:13

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Wut if pecie n ot jestie


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#167 2021-04-18 08:00:01

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Votes:
Norwegianboy [1]
- TaskManager
Excoluss [1] - Norwegianboy

Nobody has been voted out. Night now begins. All roles with a nightly ability may now send me their night actions. Night will last 24 hours, and will be followed by Dawn, also lasting 24 hours.


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#168 2021-04-19 08:00:28

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Dawn now begins, and will last 24 hours.


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#169 2021-04-19 19:12:35

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Four people have died last Night.

Dead 1
Dead 2
Dead 3
Dead 4

Day 2 will begin tomorrow.


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#170 2021-04-20 08:00:06

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Day 2 now begins, and will last 72 hours.

https://countingdownto.com/?c=3557100


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#171 2021-04-20 08:11:06

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

there were at least 5 attempted kills tonight. i was informed that i was "attacked, but healed" (which flavourwise confirms there's a nurse in this session)


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#172 2021-04-20 08:11:28

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

tonight. last night. same difference


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#173 2021-04-20 08:21:13

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

well that was a bloodbath. didn't realize there were so many killing roles. That seems more than a little imbalanced if a *significant* portion of the game can be eliminated in a single night.


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#174 2021-04-20 09:35:06

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Well this is confusing.
There were 4 deaths, 5 attempted murders. Let’s look at the deaths.
Mafia can kill twice at max (Godfather + another mafia), I’m gonna assume that mafia did that. Who did the remaining 2 kills then? The only other roles who can kill N1 are, Vigilante, Veteran, Monster Slayer, and Serial Killer. Obviously Monster Slayer didn’t kill. Did 2 town kill then? Or does a Serial Killer exist?
Now some woman said that there was an attempted murder, so there are 5 killers, unless one of the dead somehow visited the Yandere’s target (unlikely but that’s still a possibility), that still means that 4 killers remain though.
I think a Serial Killer exists, I don’t know why would Vigilante shoot N1. But regardless I also think that a Town Killing role (either Vigi or Vet, or both) exists.


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#175 2021-04-20 09:47:22

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Re: Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

Well if the veteran exists, it's possible they were on alert when Norwegian tried "milking" them. Since we don't see how the people have died (technically we should), all that's left is making assumptions on what roles exist and what do not


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