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I believe Jawapa's claim. From a statistical perspective, Shadow has a 75% chance of being scum of some sort. Though, if Shadow is mafia, then I'm pretty much sunk, as I doubt anyone is going to believe what I have to say after he flips.
Since there are decent odds I'll get game ended on the second night, I might as well just say what's on my mind.
At the beginning of Day 2, Luka tried to get himself derp-cleared, by trying to make it look like he didn't know how many mafia members there are. He's playing dumb, so he has something to fall back on.
Not at all. The reason I believed there were three mafia members was because of how Minimania worded the mafia goon on the OP:
Goons are referred in plural here. This made sense to me as one mafia PR + 2 Goons seemed more logical from a balance perspective than one mafia PR and one Goon. Truth be told, I should have paid more attention to the roles and the setup, but I genuinely thought that the game was just going to be a standard mafia game so I found little use in paying much attention. All I can really say is I'm sorry.
As mentioned above, Luka has enough experience in Mafia to know that this plan is overly complicated, and overall terrible for the town.
Sorry, but even now I think that a hypo cop strategy could have worked, provided it garnered more public support, which it didn't. Of course, the strategy had drawbacks and ways it could have gone wrong, but you need to take a couple of risks if you want to reap the potential rewards. Perhaps I am being dumb, but that is what I believe.
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Goons are referred in plural here.
Once per night, Nurses
Once per night, Cops
Once per game, during the night, Vigilantes
Once per game, during the night, Milk Men
Once per night, Serial Killers
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From my standpoint, they'll attempt to counterclaim me to mislynch me, in which all they'll have to worry about is the Cop, which they can easily convert tomorrow.
I wanted Gabe to be lynched D1, because I didn't like their attitude into the day. But the Andy wagon was farther along, as you said, and 1, I believed that Andy could be scum, and 2, I believed that a flip should occur to give us information on anyone if possible.
If my defense of Luka was suspicious, then so be it. Luka was being tunnelled by everyone, and I find that when people begin to tunnel on someone is when they make misplays and end up lynching someone. Andy was being tunnelled on too, but I found them ultimately more suspicious than Luka.
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NorwegianboyEE wrote:Hm ok. I don't think scum!you would call me annoying as opposed to just calling me scum.
You would be wrong
Also I dont think luka calling people annoying has anything to do with his role.
This post is one of the reasons i had 0 doubts about Jawapa fake claiming. Because it’s consistent with his scumread on Luka expressed when he revealed cop.
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Yes, I know, jawapa. That was the gaffe on my part. 2 goons seemed more reasonable than one in a 13 player setup, so when I read "goons" I just assumed it meant two, but because of my previous mafia experiences I immediately knew that there couldn't be any more than 1 of every PR.
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From my standpoint, they'll attempt to counterclaim me to mislynch me, in which all they'll have to worry about is the Cop, which they can easily convert tomorrow.
Why wouldn’t they just not say anything, and then kill/convert the cop?
It sounds to me like you’re setting up a narrative about mafia fake claiming just to "get you", because you know the real vig will come out.
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Truth be told, I **** everything up royally. I am a townie, but my actions scream scum. I don't know how I've grown to become so moronic, and there's nothing I can do about it but try and salvage what I can.
I'll try to be active and to share as many reads as I can so that I could maybe have some use after I'm dead.
I'm sorry, everyone.
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It depends on who the Mafia is. Technically they don't have to counterclaim me. They could just end up getting rid of both of us tonight.
I don't particularly think any of the Mafia will be dumb enough to counterclaim me. But personally, I'm hoping one does, since it would give me a big hint on who I would shoot tonight.
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I'm sorry, everyone.
Stop guilt tripping, and start healing the wounds you've created.
We don't have to lynch you, so long as you stop murdering our towns people
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Bruh, I wonder if my expose got pointed out. I thought when luka was trying to guess deaths, I thought he exposed himself or smth
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Luka504 wrote:I'm sorry, everyone.
Stop guilt tripping, and start healing the wounds you've created.
We don't have to lynch you, so long as you stop murdering our towns people
Okay, what would you suggest I do to fix things?
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Given the reads that Jawapa posted on Shadow beside the investigation result itself, I don't really trust Shadow's vigi claim
It'd be an obvious thing to claim from his perspective, assuming that Jawapa's cop claim is truthful
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He didn’t want to participate in D1 (#181)
What are you talking about, just because you didn't know the threats about lynching a person in day 1, and your saying that I didn't want to participate?
He tried to strawman what I was saying
You might be very hasty in finishing the day off, isn't that what a mafia does? Finding an extraction point and going off?
He seems to purposely be trying to distract the town with nonsense (#125 he says the cop has 2 shots, #313 asks if we even have a vig)
You're the one whose distracting town with non sense. Not even your cop strategy wasn't really on point
He implies that he thinks Andy is scum in #292 because he “would be so surprised if he [Andy] flipped town”, but then he backpedals when Andy flips town by saying that he knew Andy was town and disagreed with the lynch (#303)
That point where I said "Everyone town lean". I was about to point out that andy might be town but I was too obvious
He townleans everyone (#292), which shows he’s not even trying to scumhunt
What's the problem about a player who can't show-off enough information?
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I wonder why people are suddenly dead at this kind of time
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If Milk man is theoretically vigged at the same night as he tries to convert someone. Will the convert succeed or fail?
I made an earlier post to TaskManager that gives a precedent to work off of. Any player targeted for a night action will have that action happen to them, with only two exceptions. Nurses have priority over any kill, and Serial Killers have protection over any Mafia action. Thus, if a Vigilante targets the Milk Man, and the Milk Man targets anyone else, the Milk Man will die and the person the Milk Man targeted will become a Mafia member.
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What are you talking about, just because you didn't know the threats about lynching a person in day 1, and your saying that I didn't want to participate?
I rather !endday then reading the threats here, theres not really much you can do in day 1.
Yes, wanting to end the day early is the same as not wanting to participate in the day.
You might be very hasty in finishing the day off, isn't that what a mafia does? Finding an extraction point and going off?
That’s where the strawman is. I didn’t want to end the day early D2. I wanted to say that if we end the day early D1, the next day we’d just be at the same spot we’d left off at from D1, except with 3 less people.
You're the one whose distracting town with non sense. Not even your cop strategy wasn't really on point
I had good intentions with my strategy. I thought it would protect the cop. I thought it was a common enough strategy.
That point where I said "Everyone town lean". I was about to point out that andy might be town but I was too obvious
Then why would you precede a statement that townreads Andy with:
I would be so surprised if he flipped town. And yes, A cop would do well on andy.
Also,
What's the problem about a player who can't show-off enough information?
Basically, all my reads are all town lean. I don't have anything to show yet. Just all town lean, that's it.
I don't come up with alot of intel, so consider this done.
To me, it doesn’t even look like you’re trying to scumhunt, though. And the fact that you finish with “consider this done”, it implies that you don’t have any intentions to continue scumhunting.
I think you’re one of the scum, Allen. Be it SK or mafia, I don’t know. But I am almost certain that you’re scum.
As far as Shadow goes, I’m gonna have to look back at Shadow’s ISO to see what I think on that, but I’ll say something in my next post. I’m going to bed.
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To me, it doesn’t even look like you’re trying to scumhunt, though. And the fact that you finish with “consider this done”, it implies that you don’t have any intentions to continue scumhunting.
You suspect the people who can't scum hunt? Not all people scum hunt. Are you asking me to scum hunt?
I had good intentions with my strategy. I thought it would protect the cop. I thought it was a common enough strategy.
Also, your strategy might be "trying to expose cop sort of thing" so that mafia gets an investigative role?
Then why would you precede-
Did you not read? I was too obvious
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But i'm so much more cuter.
The Cutiest one died then it was replaced by shadow
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You suspect the people who can't scum hunt? Not all people scum hunt. Are you asking me to scum hunt?
That is the point of the game... unless you're scum
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