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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 25

I believe Luka's claim to be honest.

Slabdrill's post about the mafia not being able to vote was obviously the work of some kind of role that can use the mod to make posts. Even if you're not excessively familiar with mafia and hence wouldn't have come across that kind of role before, it should have been evident from the fact he didn't use his mod colour in the post. So I do find trying to prove innocence from the announcement kinda suspect.

Luka if I was you I would have waited a decent while longer to make that claim. You've now sacrificed the chance to figure out who the mafia aren't by seeing who they mention in the PT (eg, at night when discussing who to kill). Alternatively, after figuring out who one of the mafia are then trying to figure out who the others are by how they act in the thread. But oh well, expose 1 mafia is still pretty good.

My advice to you now Luka would be to try and look through people's posts on the forums in general to see if you can figure out who any of the other members are. Also, start talking to the mafia in their chat by using that impersonation ability. Trick them, confuse them, make them not want to use the chat. Any of those would be useful. Assuming the mafia would still want to use their chat through the rest of the game, they'll certainly be killing Luka tonight. So protectives know what to do here. Additionally, if we have any roles that can communicate with someone during the night then using that to get Luka's last words and reports of what the mafia are saying during the night will also be beneficial.

Just some questions Luka. First of all, how many posts are currently in the mafia chat? I assume all of them have spoken at least once? If so, then that means we can rule out people with distinct ways of writing like peace and railmat.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 25

I am a town member. What can I do. Anything.  I can't kill somebody.

To clarify, are you claiming vanilla townie?

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RailMat

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From: Emmen (NL)

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Re: Mafia 25

I am a town member. What can I do. Anything.  I can't kill somebody.

To clarify, are you claiming vanilla townie?

Yes I am

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TaskManager

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Re: Mafia 25

Railmat thats a 10/10 claim
I trust Luka's claim for now, I believe we will gain something from it regardless of NorwegianBoy's role if we lynch him. If Norwegian flips town then we can go for Luka and we'll still get a scum player lynched
It's a risky move and I don't see why would someone fake it right at the start of the game

I will stay my vote for now cause we still got time for discussion (naturally)

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Re: Mafia 25

ILikeTofuuJoe has been prodded for inactivity. They will be replaced if they do not respond within 26 hours.

I will be a bit more inactive for the next few hours. If anything is needed, ping me on discord.

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Luka504

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Re: Mafia 25

All right, I want to share more information that I have.

In regards to my role, I have more powers than just being able to view the mafia chat. For one, I can send anonymous messages to as many people as I wish. This is easily provable, so if you want me to, I could do that today.
My final power is something I'll keep to myself, for now at least. It could help me bait out the mafia sometime in the future.

I'd also like to make a request: If there are any protection roles, please protect me during the night. By doing aaying what I said I've definitely become the mafia's primary target.

In regards to the mafia chat, there are four people who I'm very confident are not the mafia. They might be an evil neutral role (like a serial killer), but not the mafia.
Those three are:
a) Peace
Nobody in the mafia chat writes in the same way that peace writes, so it's safe to assume that peace isn't one of them.

b) TaskManager and Mutantdevle
In the mafia chat, before the game even started, it was discussed how these two should be the first people to be killed during the night. Might be a fake-out to trick lurking spies, but I doubt it.

c) ILikeTofuJoe
One of the mafia members (dot) said that as part of his win condition, ILikeTofuJoe has to survive until the end of the game.

I also know what mafia roles there are. From what I know, there are only three mafia members. I've copied these from the mafia chat directly, because no way in hell am I paraphrasing all of this.

Mr X is a Time Manipulator

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Once per game, you may change the length of the next night to a length between 18h and 72h, provided the new end fits with my schedule.
Once per game, you may change the length of the next twilight to a length between 0h and 48h, after which it’ll end when I’m awake and check the thread.
Once per game, you may change the length of the next day to a length between 36h and 144h, provided the new end fits with my schedule.

Every night, you may perform one of the following actions:
Mafia Kill - If no one else is performing the Mafia Kill, and you are aligned with the Mafia, you may kill a target.
Repeat - Your target will have the same thing that happened to them last night happen to them this night. If they used a role ability, they will use it again ignoring what selections they made tonight, unless that ability ran out of shots. Your target will be given the message:

You feel as if tonight was exactly the same as last night, like everything that happened then happened again.

Time Warp - Your target will be warped into the future. They will be effectively dead until the next night. You may not use this ability on yourself. There will be a public message:

<name> didn’t show up to the council today, and weren’t found at their house either; however, they don’t seem dead.

You are aligned with the Mafia.
[35] Alive at the end
[-20x] Non-mafia-aligned person at the end
[25x] Mafia-aligned person at the end
[20] The chatroom supplier is alive at the end and you were invited to the Neighborhood
[25] Both the chatroom supplier and you’re alive at the end

You have a secret chat with the other members of the mafia, [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]. You can find the link here.

dot hasn't stated the name of his role.

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- At the end of every night, I get random information saying that "X visited Y", with this information always being accurate

Abilities:
- Mafia kill
- I can choose players X and Y, such that ANY actions that happen to one of them happen to both, excluding mafia kill.
- I can choose players X and Y, such that actions done to them are swapped (players that target X now target Y and vice versa).

And finally, this ability seems like a huge troll
- NO ONE will receive ANY information on what happened to their target that night. If they were killed that night, the death message doesn't show until the END of the day

Also, one of my objectives is to keep ILikeTofuuJoe alive.

Quintet is the Butcher

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Every night, you may use only one of the following abilities:
Arm - If you become the target of a night kill after using this ability, the player that targeted you will die instead. If you arm yourself once, you will stay armed until you are targeted for a nightkill.
Defend - You can visit someone during the night. They will not know that you visited them, even if they had a role. If you aren't armed, you will die instead of that player. If you are already armed, any person who targets that player for a nightkill will die instead. In addition, while visiting somebody, you cannot be killed during the night. You will not know the identity of anyone else who visits that player.
Meat Double - If the town votes to lynch you after using this ability, you can instead choose to replace your body with a double. If you do, you will abandon the town, and become aligned with the Mafia, and be given the following abilities, in replacement to your old ones:

Mafia Kill - If no one else is performing the Mafia Kill, and you are aligned with the Mafia, you may kill your target.
Ensnare - If you are visited tonight by someone who is a member of the Town, that visitor will die.

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Kira

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Re: Mafia 25

You guys are trying way too hard on Day 1, while i'm sitting here drinking my Earl Grey tea with some butter biscuits. A pleasure.

Luka504

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From: Serbia,probs never heard of it

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Re: Mafia 25

Oh, I missed two people in my "likely not mafia" list.

d) EEJoranasc
In the mafia chat, Joranasc was among TaskManager and MutantDevle on the list of 'people who should be killed first'. I forgot to mention him.

e) Jawapa
The mafia said that Jawapa is likely to be inactive in the game, so he shouldn't be one of their first targets.

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Jorc

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Re: Mafia 25

Thats just day 1, so it's still early to claim or lynch imo. I'm gonna see next day. O cmon me being killed first? That's sad

mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 25

I am a town member. What can I do. Anything.  I can't kill somebody.

To clarify, are you claiming vanilla townie?

Yes I am

this is a role madness game where everyone has a weird power role

@Luka, based on what the mafia have been saying, is it likely that railmat could be a mafia member? He does also have a fairly distinct typing pattern.

MODMERGE:

You guys are trying way too hard on Day 1, while i'm sitting here drinking my Earl Grey tea with some butter biscuits. A pleasure.

Thats just day 1, so it's still early to claim or lynch imo. I'm gonna see next day. O cmon me being killed first? That's sad

Why do you guys not want us utilising day 1? Do you have something to gain from us not getting anything done?

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Luka504

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Re: Mafia 25

@Luka, based on what the mafia have been saying, is it likely that railmat could be a mafia member? He does also have a fairly distinct typing pattern.

Quintet has pretty good grammar and sspelling, so Railmat isn't him.
Though Railmat could be dot. dot has barely stated anything in the mafia chat, but dot does have a pretty finnicky way of speaking.

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RailMat

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Re: Mafia 25

I am not a member of the mafia, I've no access to the mafia chat.

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ASDruska

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Re: Mafia 25

what? d1 and we already know who the mafia is? that's great get the confetti ready

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Jorc

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From: Petoria

Joined: 2016-03-20

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Re: Mafia 25

You guys are trying way too hard on Day 1, while i'm sitting here drinking my Earl Grey tea with some butter biscuits. A pleasure.

Thats just day 1, so it's still early to claim or lynch imo. I'm gonna see next day. O cmon me being killed first? That's sad

Why do you guys not want us utilising day 1? Do you have something to gain from us not getting anything done?

I will change my mind when something happens. I can't trust anybody for now

Luka504

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Re: Mafia 25

Dude, how could I have possibly fabricated *everything* I've just said?

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Kira

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Re: Mafia 25

press 1 if ur mafia
press 2 if ur town

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you guessed right, i am an alpha male and i stand above all of you mortals

Luka504

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Re: Mafia 25

I changed my mind can we lynch Kira instead

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Schlog

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Re: Mafia 25

we cant lynch the alpha male bro

Jorc

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Re: Mafia 25

Beta male first

Kira

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Re: Mafia 25

I have to agree with Schlog, finally a townie with decent amount of intelligence, a pleasure for the eyes

Luka504

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Re: Mafia 25

I wish to talk about Quintet. I made a mistake with Quintet. He isn't the Butcher, but rather, a Watcher.

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Watcher
Oops, I forgot the flavor. Oh well, I guess you're just not getting any.

Every night, including Night 0, you may pick a target to add to your watching list. People on your watching list will have what happened to them, day and night, described to you. You will not see who did something, but you will see the action. You will also see who the target visited in the night, as well as anyone else who visited the same target (but not the person you selected themselves, and not the actions those people did). The full log of actions will be seen publicly along with their rolecard. You will not see the actions of someone on the night you added them to the list.

You are always aware of who visited you in a night. If you perform the Mafia Kill, you will also roleblock your target, and may use conditionals to target a visitor. (You do not know what they’re visiting for.)

Every night, you may use one of the following abilities:
Mafia Kill - If no one else is performing the Mafia Kill, and you are aligned with the Mafia, you may kill your target.
Hide Log - The person that you add to your watching list today will not have their log be displayed with their rolecard.
Extra Watch - Watch someone’s house tonight, seeing who visited them and what they did.
Framing - Write a fake rolecard for someone you’ve hid the log of. I will make that rolecard the result of any investigations done to them until they fix it, including on death. After the next night, unless they don’t need it, the target will be given the following message:

At some point, someone’s systematically tampered with you and your stuff. If you stay at home, you can fix it.

You have been given a fake rolecard. Investigative actions and death will only reveal the fake rolecard, instead of the real one. You may spend a night not performing any other night actions to fix it, as well as see what the fake rolecard was.

If you target someone twice, they will get the message immediately with the option to reflexively deal with it instead of the action they chose. In this case, you must send me the action before the Night begins (or otherwise 24 hours before the end of the Night). You will not receive any information from the targetted person. If the target dies on the night you use this ability, both rolecards will be seen. (The effect is instant for any other kind of investigation.)

The Butcher role is a fake rolecard they discussed giving to someone else to make them think a townie is a member of the mafia, so I mistakenly copied that thinking that was Quintet's role.

In regards to who Quintet may be, I've been anylizing his words and personality, and this is what I've compiled
For one thing, he is definitely somewhat experienced with the game. He's pushy of killing Devlin first, which is a sign that he knows how experienced Devlin is at this game. He is clever enough to think of an entire role (Butcher). Quintet has also stated that he's going to try to be inactive in the game, and that he'll try to deceive people into thinking he's too busy for the mafia game.

Out of everyone here, the people who I'm pretty confident aren't Quintet are:
Luka504 (duh)
TaskManager (One of the first targets)
MutantDevle (One of the first targets)
peace (Spelling is way different in comparison to other mafia members)
ILikeTofuJoe (Has to stay alive until the end of the game for one of the mafia members to win)
EEJoranasc (One of the first targets)
NorwegianBoy (he's Mr. X)
RailMat (he's dot)

These are the people left over:
Crybaby
2B55B5G
mrjawapa
Kirby
ASDruska
LORD MASTER KING
MWStudios
AllenCaspe9510
Schlog
Raprap

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TaskManager

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Re: Mafia 25

im calling 2b55 to be one of the mafia members for targeting me and mutant
this isnt the first time that decision is made

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RailMat

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Re: Mafia 25

For people who think that I'm part of the mafia, they think it wrong. My real role is that I make a new team. @luka504 can dot speak Dutch? I can.

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Minimania

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Re: Mafia 25

If you can read the Mafia chat, then do you know if they talked about killing anyone in particular? That could really help us know who to trust

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TaskManager

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Re: Mafia 25

If you can read the Mafia chat, then do you know if they talked about killing anyone in particular? That could really help us know who to trust

have you read all of luka's posts?
he says they were talking about killing myself, mutant or (as he later mentioned) joranasc

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