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#26 2018-02-21 03:05:54, last edited by Slabdrill (2018-02-21 03:08:20)

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Re: Timer Effect

instead of making the race effect kill, i think there should just be a doorgate for if a race is active or not, alternatively also with a timer option so you can only pass through with a timer of more/less than [X] seconds

(having an autokill lowers the amount of creative uses i can have for it. the setting for the doorgate is optional but i think it would be good because i can also think of stuff to do with it)


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#27 2018-02-21 09:43:25

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Re: Timer Effect

^ I was thinking about how it could be made as usable as possible, and I think this would work:

Have a 'Timer' effect that has a single parameter for time to death
If that parameter is 0 then the timer is in 'count up' mode, otherwise it counts down
You can then use timer doors and gates that open / close when the time displayed is above / below that number

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#28 2018-02-21 16:27:26, last edited by drunkbnu (2018-02-21 16:37:51)

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Re: Timer Effect

Added race doors/gates based off Slabdrill's suggestion.

The race with time-limit effect now has an argument for death on timeout, allowing an even bigger variety of uses.

EDIT: Friendly reminder that this suggestion is adapted as most as possible to the racing theme. It's specifically designed to allow speed-running at it's finest, while still allowing non-race related uses. It's not meant to be a generic timer effect, but can still be used like one. Every possible speed-running improvement will be included in this effect suggestion.

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#29 2018-02-21 16:34:52

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Re: Timer Effect

HG wrote:

Added race doors/gates based off Slabdrill's suggestion.

The race with time-limit effect now has an argument for death on timeout, allowing an even bigger variety of uses.

if i make some kind of race suggestion will you make graphics for me


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#30 2018-02-21 16:49:11

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Re: Timer Effect

If it's considered to dramatically improve the suggestion, then I'll try. Already made graphics are still highly appreciated though.

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#31 2018-02-21 16:57:57

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Re: Timer Effect

on each split add a time comparison to your best run in the current session
so like if on your best run you reached split X in, lets say, 19.25 seconds and on the current run you reached it in 19.45 seconds, it will say "+00.20" in red next to the split time for a few seconds
or if you do it faster than your best run, lets say, 19.19, it will say "-00.06" in green
same for reaching the finish point


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#32 2018-02-21 17:18:15

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Re: Timer Effect

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It's a great addition.

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#33 2018-02-22 22:28:42, last edited by drunkbnu (2018-02-22 22:32:13)

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Re: Timer Effect

I'd like to get suggestions on how to improve the racing idea overall. I'm taking in mind all the possible existent race/speed-run suggestions to improve the effect.

I want this to be the most complete race implementation suggestion ever.

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#34 2018-02-22 23:03:08

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Re: Timer Effect

Note about splits: What exactly triggers a split? Is it the first time you hit a split block during a race?

(Your splits in the TT8 example - you'd be able to hit both blocks and have it count as two splits?)


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#35 2018-02-22 23:14:33, last edited by drunkbnu (2018-02-22 23:17:06)

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Re: Timer Effect

Splits are triggered the first time you hit a split block during a race.

About the example, thank you for pointing out that flaw. Each split counts no matter if they're together. It could be cool if split groups counted as only one split, but it could somehow ruin the potential.

While it's not part of your question, it led me to think whether splits could be touched multiple times or once. Could be useful for round trip speed-run worlds. Adding this...

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#36 2018-02-23 03:00:22

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Re: Timer Effect

why not add an ID parameter for splits? so on the 1st split you can put a line of split blocks and set their ID to 1, then on 2nd split make another much of split blocks and set their ID to 2


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#37 2018-02-23 15:51:44

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Re: Timer Effect

this idea needs somethign to suport more laps


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thanks hg for making this much better and ty for my avatar aswell

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#38 2018-02-23 16:03:27

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Re: Timer Effect

peace wrote:

this idea needs somethign to suport more laps

multiple laps are doable with switches/coins easily


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#39 2018-02-23 18:39:25

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Re: Timer Effect

peace wrote:

this idea needs somethign to suport more laps

that's what splits are for

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#40 2018-04-20 00:06:51

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Re: Timer Effect

Reposting update with more new content:

  • Splits now have an additional ID argument, which allows placing a series of splits on the same section. Unidentified splits can still be placed using ID 0.

  • There are now split doors/gates, which toggle after a specified amount of splits are touched.

  • There's a new command that allows you to retrieve the info about your last race, useful in case you miss to capture your win.

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#41 2018-04-20 06:50:57

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Re: Timer Effect

yes devs should add a race packwith useful race effects and such it'll be the first action only pack


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#42 2018-05-13 19:45:50

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Re: Timer Effect

I've made new textures for the race effects, based off the current effects, and Zoey's revamped effects.

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This is how the effects look when they have arguments:

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What do you think about these graphics? I consider them better than the ones at initial post.

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#43 2018-05-13 22:40:03

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Re: Timer Effect

I definitely like the revamped graphics. The lack of corners allow them to blend in better with BG in my opinion.


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#44 2018-05-14 00:52:28

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Re: Timer Effect

After experimenting and receiving feedback from other players, it's been decided that the second row of the revamped effects was better for this suggestion.

All the images have been modified to show the new effects.

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#45 2018-05-14 01:31:12, last edited by Slabdrill (2018-05-14 01:31:19)

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Re: Timer Effect

How do the IDs for splits AND the touch limit work together? For instance, what happens if i place one split with ID 1 and touch limit 1 and another split with ID 1 and touch limit 2?


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#46 2018-05-14 01:36:31, last edited by drunkbnu (2018-05-14 01:38:17)

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Re: Timer Effect

That's a good catch. During the development of the split IDs and touch limits, I assumed that all splits with the same ID would have the same touch limit.

If any split is touched, the touch count will increase for all splits with the same ID, but the limit is split-dependent., not grouped.

In your case, if any split with ID 1 is touched, the first split with touch limit of 1 touch, can't be touched anymore, but the other split can be touched.

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#47 2018-06-08 19:12:13

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Re: Timer Effect

There's now a pause effect which can stop a race's timer, without finishing the race itself. Can be useful for rest spots, or unexpected challenges during time-limited challenges.

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#48 2018-06-08 21:10:11, last edited by Minisaurus (2018-06-08 21:18:54)

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Re: Timer Effect

Your suggestion works like:

Timer:
Time set for example to 20s, after the time ends (0s), an event happens, a door closes for example.
&
Time start from 0 to the limit time set, 15s for example, after that an event happens, a door closes for example.

or

Stopwatch:
Time start from 0s, and it won´t stop the counting after the player touch a switch/key/other.

Which one is the application of your suggestion?

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#49 2018-06-08 21:20:38

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Re: Timer Effect

It can be used as both. If the race has a time limit set, it'll work like a timer counting down, until out of time, or a finish effect is touched. Otherwise, it'll just count up until a finish effect is touched.

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#50 2018-06-08 21:22:16, last edited by Minisaurus (2018-06-08 21:59:23)

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Re: Timer Effect

HG wrote:

It can be used as both. If the race has a time limit set, it'll work like a timer counting down, until out of time, or a finish effect is touched. Otherwise, it'll just count up until a finish effect is touched.

Timer, sounds really good.

Stopwatch, its rather an in-game tool for speed running, could work to let every player use it independently from any action tool item, as a key or switch would not use all of its potential for speed running over all worlds in EE.
Stopwatch has been suggested already, moderators have their reasons to not add to EE that feature yet I may guess.

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