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EElections Debate Thread

Please only debate here if you are participating in the EElections. I'm just quickly making this thread to put all the debates between candidates in so just go crazy really. This may become more structured later on but for now this is just general debating between candidates regarding the elections. You can still debate in the main thread but this one may have a bit of organization behind it for special events and stuff.

Posts by non-candidates will be deleted.

Thank u

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aka towwl

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Vote Socialism and you all will win.

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Calicara

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

General Abraham Lincat, A Critique of Jawapa

OP: http://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewto … 63#p590763

You fail to consider the confusion that a name change creates for the other players. It's very confusing when you suddenly see a new name on your friends list. I really think there should be an easier way of identifying who they are (or were, I suppose).

On the contrary, I had thought of this, which is why I suggested the imposition of time. Though incorporating Onjit's idea, I do believe a maximum of 3 changes (and no more) should be sufficient. Surely we have all had a time where we made an account with a cringeworthy name when we were a child, and wanted to change it when we were older. This change should not come at the expense of players money.

If a small country was to be full of murderers, should let them be? The country already has a small, dwindling population. If any action were to be taken, it would crush the country.

Unlike most games which run on a governmental moderation system, EE thrives on vigilantism. Players are already equipped with sufficient tools to combat trolls (save level/load level/give god/remove god/give edit/remove edit/kick...) Need I go on? We should not be pressuring moderators to take care of all the little problems, but rather be teaching the user base their own self defense.

Please, elaborate. Keep in mind, when a staff is bigger/stronger than the people it is ruling over, the risk of totalitarianism lurks.

Updates are few and far between. A larger staff could benefit to more content and faster game development.

I think you hit the nail right on the head with this one. With the 400 dig bots, there was no choice but to replay a level... they were all the same! You could, in fact, enjoy the level... time... and time... and time... again.

Besides DigBot there are many other notable bots such as Snake Bot, Yo Scroll, Bombot etc... Furthermore, if you dislike bot assisted levels no one is forcing you to play them, but they have come to form their own community which I think can be appreciated in their own way.

But, it's not fair to give one person an award, and not the others. Everyone in the contest tried their very best, and some walked away with nothing to show.

As vain as it may sound, that is the purpose of any contest. Upon signing up users were meant to understand that not everyone was going to win. That being said, even those who didn't win an official reward, still had the reward of a well built level.

You cannot offer things for money. It is unfair to those who cannot afford it.

If everything was free the game would make no money. I believe it is fair to charge money for objects so long as the money goes toward keeping the game running. Now, whether or not the staff should be making a profit off that money is a different issue entirely.

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Vote for STD get and STD and join the STD army.

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mrjawapa

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

On the contrary, I had thought of this, which is why I suggested the imposition of time. Though incorporating Onjit's idea, I do believe a maximum of 3 changes (and no more) should be sufficient. Surely we have all had a time where we made an account with a cringeworthy name when we were a child, and wanted to change it when we were older. This change should not come at the expense of players money.

With my flat-rate $1.50 payment to sign up, players would not need to pay. Enough revenue would be raised through that.

Need I go on? We should not be pressuring moderators to take care of all the little problems, but rather be teaching the user base their own self defense.

I disagree. I think a vote-to-ban system should be put in place. If someone is being a nuisance, and the community votes them out... they are banned.

Updates are few and far between. A larger staff could benefit to more content and faster game development.

A larger staff is harder to manage. Nou (the totalitarian) can't even manage the current staff. He's resorted to slowly kicking members out, so that he can have all the power. What we really need is a democracy. Get Nou out of there, and vote a new leaders in; ones we can trust.

Besides DigBot there are many other notable bots such as Snake Bot, Yo Scroll, Bombot etc... Furthermore, if you dislike bot assisted levels no one is forcing you to play them, but they have come to form their own community which I think can be appreciated in their own way.

No one is forcing me to play, but I have no other option.

Upon signing up users were meant to understand that not everyone was going to win. That being said, even those who didn't win an official reward, still had the reward of a well built level.

Not good enough. Those who received an award were then higher up to everyone else... that's not fair.

If everything was free the game would make no money. I believe it is fair to charge money for objects so long as the money goes toward keeping the game running. Now, whether or not the staff should be making a profit off that money is a different issue entirely.

As a totalitarian, it wouldn't surprise me if Nou is pocketing all of our tax dollars.

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Onjit

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

don't vote for a tryhard like calicara

that is all for now

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ZeldaXD

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

OFFICIAL MAP OF EE

Let's use this, like if EE was a country.

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

THIS IS AN OFFICIAL MESSAGE

My answer will be in orange

General Abraham Lincat, A Critique of ZeldaXD

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Greetings citizens of the world,

I would like to announce that today, I will start a campaign to run for the presidency of the white painted shed. I've been in this game for five years and let me tell you, I've experienced and seen lots of things change, lots of things being removed and lots of things being created, I've seen a lot of people come and leave. We, the veterans, have been loyal to the games for years and how do they thank us? They want to make all our hard work miserable, they want to take our trophies and give them to the immigrants. This is unpardonable!

Veteran- http://www.dictionary.com/browse/veteran?s=t
Immigrant- http://www.dictionary.com/browse/immigrant?s=ts

Your points are clear, but your terminology is lacking. That being said, I must disagree with the latter of your arguments. To say that all new players are 'immigrants' is a gross generalization. Just because some players have joined EE at a later date does not mean they have migrated from one gaming community to another, nor should it make them any lesser of a player. I also aruge the 'veteran' players, as you put it, already have sufficient privileges that that the new players do not. You've had more time to acquire items for levels, you've had more time to build a reputation for yourself, and more time to form an opinion on the value of a quality level. New players have few items, few friends, and often face discrimination for not understanding what to do. This is completely unacceptable.

Filthy immigrants, I said it correctly, that's what they are. These immigrants are inferior to us, the veterans, in all aspects. They have not mastered their skills playing or creating as much as we have, and they need to learn the hard way.
I have to remind you that we were newcomers too, we conquered this land with our sweat, we didn't have any friends and we didn't have as many items as we have now, our possibilities were really limited, but we still did amazing things with the few tools we had. The should start like we did, being mocked for it is the only way to learn.

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We have helped to build the game since it was just dust, we brought a community with us and made this a warm place, we were everything that was good with this game, we were one!
But now? We can't even troll anymore! They have given the newcomers every tool possible to stop what once was a tradition! Look at the lobby, everything is full of poorly-done boss maps, curse tags, zombies versus humans, hotels and a bunch of useless robots!

You are blaming the new players for sharing their culture, but what you do not realize is that this isn't a lesser culture but a newer one. I believe as the saying goes, "If you don't like, don't play it."

"Sharing their culture"? Don't make me laugh, they're not sharing it, they're IMPOSING it. We have crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren ice fields. And what have they done? They just come here and impose their poor culture on us, and expect us to just degrade our own culture to favor theirs. If I don't like it, I change it, I'm not going to leave the nation that I helped build and watch how it burns, if they can't integrate to our culture, they're the ones who have to go.

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Because of this, I've decided to raise my hand and do something about it, because this is the nation I loved and this is the nation where I want to stay! We all should unite as one once again to stop this piffle! I'm gently asking you to vote for me, we shall make Everybody Edits arise from the ashes! Our nation is like lava. On the top it is hard and hideous, but its internal fire cannot be extinguished even in one hundred years of coldness. So let's spit on the crust and go down, to the profundity!

Yours truly,
ZeldaXD

EE is less like a volcano, and more like a candle. It has a small a gentle breeze that can room on a rainy night. It's flame shines brighter for some than others, but so long as we continue to enjoy it's presence its flame will never be extinguished completely.

We are the flame which lights this nation, and when we vanish, the flame will die with us.

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mrjawapa

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Filthy immigrants, I said it correctly, that's what they are. These immigrants are inferior to us, the veterans, in all aspects. They have not mastered their skills playing or creating as much as we have, and they need to learn the hard way.
I have to remind you that we were newcomers too, we conquered this land with our sweat, we didn't have any friends and we didn't have as many items as we have now, our possibilities were really limited, but we still did amazing things with the few tools we had. The should start like we did, being mocked for it is the only way to learn.

Maybe the way things were when you grew up; isn't the way things should be now.  The previous way have only led to problems.

We have crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren ice fields.

Congrats, you know geology.

And what have they done? They just come here and impose their poor culture on us, and expect us to just degrade our own culture to favor theirs.

"I may not like what you have to say; but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Same goes for cultural beliefs. We're all entitled to our own beliefs.

We are the flame which lights this nation, and when we vanish, the flame will die with us.

It is much better to burn out, than to fade away. Unfortunately, that's not was is occurring. The country isn't dying in a sudden catastrophe, it's slowing fading away.

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Zumza

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Hello my username is Zumza and with your votes I will become the EE President. I am a programmer, I have knowledges about how things work. I believe this gives me an advantage ahead of my political colleagues.
I consider that Everybody Edits must be a friendly place where everybody comes to have fun. I want everybody be able to speak freely. Chat should be free!
This game must encourage the idea that everybody is equal but those who work with passion must be celebrated. Text should be available for everybody! Contest winners should have exclusive content!
I consider that moderators can never be off-duty. I also believe that rules are well made and moderators must take actions on those who present offensive behaviour. However trolling shouldn't be an act of crime. We can't be utopian. Everybody should have responsibilities. And the world owners should act like Gods. World owners should be able to kick moderators.
Also staff members shouldn't do favours for their relatives. The shop system is functional as it is now, daily bonuses exists. Name changes should cost gems. Thought some prices should be modified(to smaller and / or grater values).
Bots are wonderful, and what people can do with them is amazing! Everybody can have a more dynamic experience.
There should be added easier campaigns too. We should have diversity in everything!
We must keep improving but without damaging the core of this game!
Thanks for reading this and remember green means friend

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Luka504

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

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Hello everyone,

I am Luka504 and i dedicate to more freedom in Everybody Edits. I side with you, your hopes and wishes for the game.
I think every player should have more freedom and more possibilities. I want people to get most from this game.
But at the same time i can confirm: Too much of anything is bad, even freedom!
Shortly, i want more freedom, but at the same time some rules should be there to keep us in check.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask, i will anwser as soon as i can.
Love, Luka504
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Luka504

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Hello everyone

So i have decided to read out how my opponents have anwsered the issues. I was quite shocked at some of the anwsers i found.
-32OrtonEdge32dh (Green Party)
Most of what is here seems to allign with my anwsers, but i found these:

Should more easy difficulty campaigns be introduced to the campaign roster to balance game difficulty?
Campaigns should be removed entirely. 
Should exclusive smileys be made available again through new opportunities?
Exclusive smileys should not be unavailable forever.  Any seasonal smiley should come back every time that season comes back, and any other smiley should periodically return as well.

Wait what? Campaigns should be removed entirely?
And the fact that by requesting rare items to be available to everyone, sounds a bit unfair to people who played since 2011 or something. And i find it quite ironic how you said this:

Aside from these issues, I would like to bring to your attention that our great game was based on a simple principle, and that principle is fairness.

Lol wow.

-Bimps (Death Party)
Ugh it just seems wrong to want the thing you are arguing about dead. Seems a bit unnatural if you ask me.

#makeEEdeadagain #bimps2k16

   
Ok.....

-Calicara (Noubs)
Noubs have a pretty similar goal with me, and i didnt find anything weird with the anwsers. So i guess i will leave them be.

-Creature (Socialism)
Well that flag there isnt stolen or anything lol.
Answers are a bit vague with no real explanation. Also i found a few details:

Are there too many staff members? Why do we need staff members.
Should the shop be more easily accessible to new players with discounts and bonuses? tbh all players should receive everything for free.
Should staff be more seriously reprimanded for giving away free items at no personal expense? Staff sucks, let EE be free.
Should the rules be made more lenient than they are today? Rules are a trouble, let the game light.

This is a weird anti-staff policy Creature. I dedicate to freedom as well, but with so much power and little rules or staff, EE is gonna be a lot less nice and spam/troll/jerk free.

-gkaby (The Hearing Party)
Can i reffer to them as the Weird Party? The flag is just plain weird.

▼Flag?

Also whats with this?

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We want there to be more tubas on ee like
violin
viola
koto
oboe
bass clarinet
saxophone
harpsichord
organ
hammond organ
theremin
slide theremin
computer keyboard
moog synthesizer
trombone
tuba tuba
french horn
ee coins with different notes

Then.

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We want a new system kind of like magic but different kind of like the red ninja easter egg thing which im not supposed to talk about
example: how about a kicked smiley or something or troll smiley where if u get kicked with a message that says troll 30 times u unlock troll smiley but u can only get kicked so many times a day that way ppl wont just use an alt to keep kicking themselves
or maybe just a normal smiley that u get after getting kicked in general idk what it would be
or what about u unlock an afk smiley if u remain in the same level without moving for 5 hours
or what about u get foot smiley if u kick 100 ppl in a single day or something idk
i think these ideas are okayish

I dont think this makes sense
Other than that they are OK.
(Working on more)

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Luka504

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

-JaWapa (United Big Spenders Party (UBSP))
Most of i seems ok, but i think i need more clarifacation.

Are bots a valuable addition to the game?
Oh yes, the 400 dig bots made the game 10 times better.

This doesnt exactly explain much. Do you like them?

Should EE focus on its role as a platforming game?
I think it should focus on sucking money from those who are addicted (ie: gold membership)

... Well...This is akward.

Should exclusive smileys be made available again through new opportunities?
No, the smileys should just be circulated around. So like Mustang's easter smiley is taken from him, and given to the new winner. It's much better for the econommy.

WELP!

Regarding gender diversity and neutrality, are the smileys fine as they are now?
bimpsing feminists

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-maxi123 (Noubs)
Read Calicara please. Thanks.

-N1KF (Official CEEntrist PartEE)
Cant see anything wrong here. Moving on.

-Onjit (the winning party)

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Should name changes cost money?
- of course don't be a **** and change your name all the time
Should people be banned for trolling?
- nah m8 u just gotta learn how to deal with ****
Should ingame moderators be appointed by the community?
- only if there is some way of preventing **** like bimps or 1nsanity becoming mods
Are there too many staff members?
- nah m8 you need someone from the australian time zone (who isn't a **** like xjeex) wink
Should chat cost money again?
- this question is more like: should we ban rudik from chatting? and the answer is obviously: "no way, ya ****"
Are bots a valuable addition to the game?
- bots are made by **** for ****
Should staff be kickable from worlds when off-duty?
- of course. if they're being a ****, then being staff shouldn't matter
Should EE focus on its role as a platforming game?
- only **** are super into the platforming aspect. ee is for more than just jumping
Should the shop be more easily accessible to new players with discounts and bonuses?
- yeah dont be a **** help the noobs out
Should exclusive smileys be made available again through new opportunities?
- no. exclusive smileys are our only way of identifying master ****
Should staff be more seriously reprimanded for giving away free items at no personal expense?
- i'll say it again: "if they're being a ****, then being staff shouldn't matter"
Should the rules be made more lenient than they are today?
- i believe that you should let a **** be a ****, but don't let them **** too much
Should updates focus more on tweaks and fixes or new content?
- make what exists less **** before adding new stuff
Should more easy difficulty campaigns be introduced to the campaign roster to balance game difficulty?
- only **** like hard levels
Regarding gender diversity and neutrality, are the smileys fine as they are now?
- only **** think there should be more diverse smileys. in fact, the 'girl' smileys in the game do more to prevent diversity. no token 'black face' smiley pls
Should bugs in the physics engine be fixed, even if it breaks some minigames?
- of course. let the **** cry about their minis that rely on bugs
Should more tools be added to the game to mitigate trolling?
- don't let your **** be ****
Should world text be made available to everybody, rather than just staff?
- yes. more power to the ****

This is swimming in ,,Im not serious lawl,, since he didnt bother to even write seriously. Also what is a ,,****,,?

-oranj (Noubs)
Read Calicara. Ktnxbai

-Pingohits (The Egg Party?)
...
Nice slogans, but where are your issuses? Can we consider him a party without them?

-STD ( STD party)
Interesting anwsers you have there.

Are there too many staff members?
Yes. Anything above 0 staff members is just too much
Should staff be more seriously reprimanded for giving away free items at no personal expense?
There should be no staff
Should the rules be made more lenient than they are today?
rules drool
Should staff be kickable from worlds when off-duty?
Staff should be kickable even on duty

Woah socialistic much?

Should chat cost money again?
Hick yeah. I had to pay 1 cent for chat AND SO SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE. STOP THE LITTLE KID CHAT CANCER AND THE BRAZILIANS
Are bots a valuable addition to the game?
No frick that. Play the game how it was supposed to be played. Play it with everything its got in it
Should more tools be added to the game to mitigate trolling?
no. trolling is trollin. dont give people the code you dont trust, frickin noob
Should more easy difficulty campaigns be introduced to the campaign roster to balance game difficulty?
no get good scrubs

Do i need to explain why these are wrong?

-ZeldaXD (Benjaminsons)
Also no issues written down.  KEK

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mrjawapa

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

This doesnt exactly explain much. Do you like them?

I suppose you have trouble reading. Let me break my answer down for you:
"Oh yes," - Absolute, no doubt, they are great, the opposite of no.
"the 400 dig bots made the game 10 times better" - Well you see, you take the original enjoyment of the game, and multiply it by ten. That's what dig bots did for me.

You're not even arguing anything for yourself. You're actually destroying your own campaign by telling people to go watch Calicara.

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Luka504

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Dude it really sounded like u were using irony or something.
I never said that. I meant that Calicara, Maxi123 and oranj are the same. I just talked about Calicara

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Dude it really sounded like u were using irony or something.

Yeah, everyone's answers are satire. Don't take anything here too seriously.

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Dude it really sounded like u were using irony or something.

Yeah, everyone's answers are satire. Don't take anything here too seriously.

But I thought—um...oh, yeah, my answers are satirical! jawapa is right!

mrjawapa

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

jawapa is right!

told ya!

VOTE FOR JAWAPA
VOTE FOR UBED

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N1KF

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

jawapa is right!

told ya!

VOTE FOR JAWAPA
VOTE FOR UBED

JAWAPA IS TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE BY TAKING QUOTES OUT OF CONTEXT AND TWISTING THEM

THIS IS A RED FLAG

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Zumza

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

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Luka504

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

I find it ironic people arent even gonna reply to what i have posted.
No counterarguments?
k

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

i am holding a q&a for the death party in this topic for as long as i can.

many people misunderstand why i want ee dead, so im doing this to clarify all the issues. please be specific with your questions

Creature

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

No matter what, every president will want power someday and will take it from the society. However, Socialism has no president, so this surely won't happen.

Vote Socialism and everyone will win.

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Luka504

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

Ugh no.
Creature, a place with no leader is like a horse without eyes.
It runs around in random ways blindly.
No admins=No rules
Thats fun and stuff, but
No admins=No updates.
Or do you want to make the admins powerless slaves that still make updates for you?

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Re: EElections Debate Thread

No matter what, every president will want power someday and will take it from the society. However, Socialism has no president, so this surely won't happen.

Vote Socialism and everyone will win.

I am pretty sure you mean "anarchy". Socialism requires a government.