Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

Pqwerty · 2022-09-14 01:22:36

Sorry BB I can’t read

Pqwerty · 2022-09-14 01:39:14

I’ve been thinking about it today and I think Gikkle’s belief that Shadow was signaling comes from a place of TMI. Here’s why:

The whole point of a mafia signal is to tell a lie or something that only the mafia could figure out. Shadow said “MM is town because the mafia visited them N1”. We know MM was town and we know that the fruit vendor gave them fruit N1, so if this is a signal, the only lie Shadow can make is about the alignment of the fruit vendor. So, the truth should be that the fruit vendor is town.

In this case, it does work as a signal because the mafia know who they are and they know who they visited, so if they didn’t visit MM on N1 then they’d know Shadow is lying for no reason, which signals that they’re the traitor.

The problem is that there’s only 2 kinds of players that would know Shadow was lying in the first place to even know that it was a signal, and those people are the mafia and the fruit vendor. If Gikkle is the town fruit vendor, then he would absolutely have known that Shadow was lying when he said that the mafia visited MM, and as town he could’ve called Shadow out for lying. But instead he suddenly townreads Shadow. It reads to me more like a mafia who realized Shadow was the traitor and made a last ditch effort to save a partner.

I mean, did anyone else think Shadow was using their potentially fake night result to signal the mafia? Was anyone considering that or saw it in the realm of possibility before Gikkle pointed it out?

Minimania

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 02:09:30

Pqwerty wrote:

I’ve been thinking about it today and I think Gikkle’s belief that Shadow was signaling comes from a place of TMI. Here’s why:
The whole point of a mafia signal is to tell a lie or something that only the mafia could figure out. Shadow said “MM is town because the mafia visited them N1”. We know MM was town and we know that the fruit vendor gave them fruit N1, so if this is a signal, the only lie Shadow can make is about the alignment of the fruit vendor. So, the truth should be that the fruit vendor is town.
In this case, it does work as a signal because the mafia know who they are and they know who they visited, so if they didn’t visit MM on N1 then they’d know Shadow is lying for no reason, which signals that they’re the traitor.
The problem is that there’s only 2 kinds of players that would know Shadow was lying in the first place to even know that it was a signal, and those people are the mafia and the fruit vendor. If Gikkle is the town fruit vendor, then he would absolutely have known that Shadow was lying when he said that the mafia visited MM, and as town he could’ve called Shadow out for lying. But instead he suddenly townreads Shadow. It reads to me more like a mafia who realized Shadow was the traitor and made a last ditch effort to save a partner.
I mean, did anyone else think Shadow was using their potentially fake night result to signal the mafia? Was anyone considering that or saw it in the realm of possibility before Gikkle pointed it out?

...what?

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 02:27:08

Gikkle wrote:

Pqwerty wrote:
I’ve been thinking about it today and I think Gikkle’s belief that Shadow was signaling comes from a place of TMI. Here’s why:
The whole point of a mafia signal is to tell a lie or something that only the mafia could figure out. Shadow said “MM is town because the mafia visited them N1”. We know MM was town and we know that the fruit vendor gave them fruit N1, so if this is a signal, the only lie Shadow can make is about the alignment of the fruit vendor. So, the truth should be that the fruit vendor is town.
In this case, it does work as a signal because the mafia know who they are and they know who they visited, so if they didn’t visit MM on N1 then they’d know Shadow is lying for no reason, which signals that they’re the traitor.
The problem is that there’s only 2 kinds of players that would know Shadow was lying in the first place to even know that it was a signal, and those people are the mafia and the fruit vendor. If Gikkle is the town fruit vendor, then he would absolutely have known that Shadow was lying when he said that the mafia visited MM, and as town he could’ve called Shadow out for lying. But instead he suddenly townreads Shadow. It reads to me more like a mafia who realized Shadow was the traitor and made a last ditch effort to save a partner.
I mean, did anyone else think Shadow was using their potentially fake night result to signal the mafia? Was anyone considering that or saw it in the realm of possibility before Gikkle pointed it out?
...what?

I could give a proper response to this, but the logic is just so flabbergasting that idk what to say

Pqwerty · 2022-09-14 02:46:30

Ok uh, where does the logic fall apart here?

Pqwerty · 2022-09-14 03:14:47

!vote Gikkle

I'm leaving this here for now

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 03:40:43

Pqwerty wrote:

Ok uh, where does the logic fall apart here?

Pqwerty wrote:

so if this is a signal, the only lie Shadow can make is about the alignment of the fruit vendor. So, the truth should be that the fruit vendor is town.

Shadow's lie likely had nothing to do with the fruit vendor. His lie would have achieved the same purpose - signalling mafia - if the fruit vendor hadn't visited MM at all. Though you are correct in that it has the side effect of implying the Fruit Vendor is town, because Shadows wouldn't be telling the truth there.

Pqwerty wrote:

The problem is that there’s only 2 kinds of players that would know Shadow was lying in the first place to even know that it was a signal, and those people are the mafia and the fruit vendor. If Gikkle is the town fruit vendor, then he would absolutely have known that Shadow was lying when he said that the mafia visited MM, and as town he could’ve called Shadow out for lying. But instead he suddenly townreads Shadow. It reads to me more like a mafia who realized Shadow was the traitor and made a last ditch effort to save a partner.

This has two major issues

1. You assume, for whatever reason, that a normal townie couldn't come to the very simple conclusion that the flipped traitor was lying about his actions to signal to his partners.
2. You assume, for whatever reason, that the fruit vendor would have any clue that Shadows was lying. Assuming this is a traditional Fruit Vendor, they would have no idea what other players visited their target - so from the Fruit Vendor's PoV, Shadow's role could have just picked up any ol' mafia that visited Marshmallow.

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 04:05:35

Pqwerty wrote:

!vote Gikkle
I'm leaving this here for now

I find it hard to believe that you think I'm the *most likely scum* out of everyone in the game right now.

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 04:11:54

Norwee wrote:

[1] 2b55b5g: Nuclear Gandhi
[1] BuzzerBee: Oliwaz144
[1] Oliwaz144: Minimania
[4] Not voting: Gikkle, 2b55b5g, Pqwerty, BuzzerBee
4 majority votes to lock in the choice of elimination.

(Pqwerty is now voting me)

Our votes should not be this split
and is no one voting Gandhi?

!Vote Gandhi

Minimania · 2022-09-14 04:40:19

Gikkle, if you had to consolidate the wagons down to two people, which to people would you put?

Pqwerty · 2022-09-14 04:51:32

Idk I thought Shadow was just frantically trying to cover up their slip, so I don't think it's obvious or noticeable that Shadow was signaling. Also I think it's odd that you changed your read after being so suspicious of Shadow, and how Shadow had a firm townread on the person you subbed in for even though they were completely MIA.

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 06:16:58

Lumi wrote:

Nuclear Gandhi is polarized
And just in his town meta. Like, literal shield this slot all the way until F3 town meta. EZ read

...
frick

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 06:17:55

Minimania wrote:

Gikkle, if you had to consolidate the wagons down to two people, which to people would you put?

Gandhi and 2b I suppose.

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 06:24:37

Pqwerty wrote:

Idk I thought Shadow was just frantically trying to cover up their slip, so I don't think it's obvious or noticeable that Shadow was signaling.

Well I mean, it wasn't... But after he flipped traitor I looked back to see if he signaled at all, and that was one of my theories as to how he went about it.

Pqwerty wrote:

Also I think it's odd that you changed your read after being so suspicious of Shadow

You don't think townies can change their reads? I explained my thought process at the time.

I will say - if I had figured out he was a traitor (in a S!me world), I would never have said ANYTHING to begin with. Me and 2b were the only ones online - had I not shown up at all, Shadows would never have been voted out at all.

Pqwerty wrote:

and how Shadow had a firm townread on the person you subbed in for even though they were completely MIA.

And I feel like that should be a blatant TMI clear for me but I guess people can't see the obvious. I had this conversation with MM - look at the context of him defending my slot. My slot was NOT under enough pressure to justify S!Shadows defending S!Me that hard. If you think what Shadows did indicates S/S, you're kidding yourself.

Minimania · 2022-09-14 06:56:47

!vote 2B55B5G TNG

Minimania · 2022-09-14 06:59:37

I'm probably not going to be able to convince anyone to vote Oli but I feel like 2B is a nice middle ground

2b55b5g · 2022-09-14 09:20:02

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

I'd prefer this sequence of actions: eliminate me today, eliminate you tommorow, you flip wolf, in Day6 is final3 day.
gg byee

why are you fine with being lynched first if you think that i’ll flip wolf

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-14 13:27:47

we’re running out of time so i’m gonna hop on the wagon with the most votes

!vote 2b55b5g

i still feel like Gandhi is scum but based on the interactions today between 2b and Gandhi it appears highly probable that one mafia rests between the two of them. if 2b flips scum, easy peasy, that tells us Gandhi and Minimania are town. if 2b flips town today tho, Gandhi is an easy candidate for lynch tomorrow

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-14 13:28:27

ok i’m going back to bed now

2b55b5g · 2022-09-14 13:59:32

i'll try to give final reads before my lynch happens, i cba to defend myself right now so i'd rather send my reads to try and help

Norwee · 2022-09-14 14:00:11

[3] 2b55b5g: Nuclear Gandhi, Minimania, BuzzerBee
[1] BuzzerBee: Oliwaz144
[1] Gikkle: Pqwerty
[1] Nuclear Gandhi: Gikkle

[1] Not voting: 2b55b5g

4 majority votes to lock in the choice of elimination.

2b55b5g · 2022-09-14 14:00:45

im currently at L-1 rn btw

Pqwerty · 2022-09-14 14:47:04

!unvote

Pqwerty · 2022-09-14 14:56:19

Isn't neighborizer usually supposed to be a town role? Or was the game hoping that the mafia would recruit the traitor or cop or something?

Gikkle · 2022-09-14 15:05:20

Pqwerty wrote:

Isn't neighborizer usually supposed to be a town role? Or was the game hoping that the mafia would recruit the traitor or cop or something?

I could actually see the use of a scum neighborizer with a traitor in the game.

What night did 2b target you? Did they ever explain why they targeted you?

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