Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

AllenCaspe9510 · 2022-07-19 08:54:55

!vote abiqi

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:22:04

It was 100% the right move to kill SK yesterday.
Apparently MartenM is clear so that leaves:

AllenCaspe9510
2B55B5G TNG
Abiqi
ExFabian
IrrelevantGaymer

We have 10 players alive, 5 of them are potential plaguebearer and last mafia.
Honestly, the plaguebearer role seems pretty weak. Apparently they have to somehow target all living and dead players in the game before they turn into an SK role. So this feels like an autowin for town. If there are no kills at night anymore can't we just eliminate and have Era check all of these remaining unconfirmed players for an autowin?

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:23:41

Even if plaguebearer does manage to infect all players and Mini confirms they become pestilence, what are they gonna do? They are still boxed in by the PoE and we just eliminate them by vote.

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:25:13

Ez game gg we win.
Actually i win even if you guys don't win LMAOO

mutantdevle

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:29:53

ExFabian wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
Oh good, you investigated Marten, my suspects for Plaguebearer were between Marten and Abiqi. I excluded Fabien just because from the way they played I didn't feel like they were neutral, but my read could be wrong on that. Allen can't be plaguebearer unless someone cc's reporting gambler, do note that Allen could be Forecaster, but even so, it seems that Mafia can't kill so leaving a Forecaster alive isn't that bad.
Assuming Marten didn't appear as Plaguebaeer, Abiqi and Fabien should both claim, I think I'll be more prone to lynching Abiqi today, but should things go another way, I'm fine with lynching Fabien as well.
I am a Retributionist with modifiers Hated and Delayed.
Also, I should add that I used my revive this night, but since I'm delayed we'll have to wait until next day.

Did you revive my great buddy Marshmallow Marshall.

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-19 09:29:57

Norwee wrote:

Honestly, the plaguebearer role seems pretty weak. Apparently they have to somehow target all living and dead players in the game before they turn into an SK role. So this feels like an autowin for town. If there are no kills at night anymore can't we just eliminate and have Era check all of these remaining unconfirmed players for an autowin?

Infected players will also infect people they visit, and anyone who visits the Plaguebearer will automatically be infected. I think having dead players need to be infected is a huge nerf to Plaguebearer, as there are little roles that can target dead players (the only afaik being Retributionist and Criminologist), meaning for the most part the Plaguebearer has to consciously infect all the deceased players (if they weren't already).

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:30:32

Inb4 he's mafia and is reviving Mutant and making scum a threat again.

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-19 09:31:27

Norwee wrote:

Inb4 he's mafia and is reviving Mutant and making scum a threat again.

Hey now, don't give him ideas.

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:32:02

Oh wait, reviver can only be a town role.
Would be a great troll move tho.

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:34:26

List updated:

AllenCaspe9510
2B55B5G TNG
Abiqi
IrrelevantGaymer
ExFabian (Maybe confirmed town tommorow)

ExFabian · 2022-07-19 09:38:41

Norwee wrote:

ExFabian wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
Oh good, you investigated Marten, my suspects for Plaguebearer were between Marten and Abiqi. I excluded Fabien just because from the way they played I didn't feel like they were neutral, but my read could be wrong on that. Allen can't be plaguebearer unless someone cc's reporting gambler, do note that Allen could be Forecaster, but even so, it seems that Mafia can't kill so leaving a Forecaster alive isn't that bad.
Assuming Marten didn't appear as Plaguebaeer, Abiqi and Fabien should both claim, I think I'll be more prone to lynching Abiqi today, but should things go another way, I'm fine with lynching Fabien as well.
I am a Retributionist with modifiers Hated and Delayed.
Also, I should add that I used my revive this night, but since I'm delayed we'll have to wait until next day.
Did you revive my great buddy Marshmallow Marshall.

sadly no, I revived ZeldaXD hoping to get some insight on Abiqi, but as we are lynching them today maybe it wasn't the best choice
at least we have +1 town

Norwee · 2022-07-19 09:42:26

But i wanted to meme with him ((
Guess we'll have to settle for second best :/

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-19 09:54:30

Norwee wrote:

List updated:
AllenCaspe9510
2B55B5G TNG
Abiqi
IrrelevantGaymer
ExFabian (Maybe confirmed town tommorow)

Some things to note:

> Allen claimed Gambler in #634. There is a Gambler/Forecaster confirmed as the results have been posted publicly, as Allen hasn't been cc'd, we can only assume Allen is either Gambler or Forecaster. I'm now inclined to believe Era's assumption that the three mafia didn't include a Goon due to a lack of a kill after lynching the Serial Killer, but if there is no goon, there's no harm in keeping a Forecaster who can't win alive.

> Twob asked to be investigated by Era in #510. It's possible this was a double bluff to get Era to not investigate her, which can be supported by her asking Marten to be investigated in #601. But Marten was inactive and hardly participated in conversation, so her asking for Marten to be investigated still feels somewhat towny to me.

> Irrelevant claimed #542. They claimed impulsive which means they had to have either checked Althea or Zelda last night, meaning they'll be able to give more information today on what they found.

Abiqi is the only one who hasn't claimed, and has been rather passive in their reads, the strongest stance they've taken is saying that lynching a possible Flagbearer is too ballsy of a move to do on D2 in #370. To me, most of their messages feel like they're trying to interact with the conversation without adding much to the conversation (I wont be giving URL links to this part since it's most of his ISO).

Given the information, and that Fabian's role will be easy to confirm the next day, I believe Abiqi is the best lynch today.

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-19 09:55:49

Actually, should add, Twob and Marten both haven't claimed, but I explained why I believe Abiqi is a better lynch candidate than Twob, and Marten got investigated presumably as not Plaguebearer, meaning they aren't a good lynch candidate for finding Plaguebearer.

Norwee · 2022-07-19 10:07:29

I was also under the impression that Allen was likely the scum gambler. Precisely because i was predicted to die day 2 and Mutant had been gunning for my head and shading me all through day 1 so i was probably picked as the target they wanted to kill on that day and Allen thus is indeed likely the scum gambler.

Norwee · 2022-07-19 10:10:30

Anyway i have no objection to an Abiqi elimination. Although i would be totally okay with killing Irrelevantgamer too.

Norwee · 2022-07-19 10:11:32

Norwee wrote:

I was also under the impression that Allen was likely the scum gambler. Precisely because i was predicted to die day 2 and Mutant had been gunning for my head and shading me all through day 1 so i was probably picked as the target they wanted to kill on that day and Allen thus is indeed likely the scum gambler.

Oh yeah i forgot to add that Allen was claiming people shouldn't trust me when we were killing Mutant so that's why i think they are more likely rand scum.

ShadowsEdge

Norwee · 2022-07-19 10:14:27

So i don't think you should waste an invest on Allen, Era. Do it for one of the other unconfirmed roles.
And when we think we've killed plaguebearer we just do Allen last. Because i think town has to kill all scum roles, even if they don't have an wincon anymore.

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-19 10:23:34

Norwee wrote:

So i don't think you should waste an invest on Allen, Era. Do it for one of the other unconfirmed roles.
And when we think we've killed plaguebearer we just do Allen last. Because i think town has to kill all scum roles, even if they don't have an wincon anymore.

Do we even need to lynch the mafia to win? I assumed Flagbearer worked similarly to how VIP on Town of Salem works, where killing the VIP just neutralizes the entire faction (which allows Coven to win without needing to kill town even if they dont have a majority).

Norwee · 2022-07-19 11:08:46

Well let's find out.

@Mini

If an mafia player loses their wincon, do town still need to kill all remaining mafia to win or only the still active threats like Plaguebearer?

Onjit · 2022-07-19 11:17:38

!vote norbius

idk what hes still doing here he should have left after winning lol

Minimania · 2022-07-19 11:59:45

Now that the Mafia Flagbearer has been lynched, there is no need to eliminate any more Mafia players, unless there is more than one Mafia faction.

Norwee · 2022-07-19 12:23:39

Okey. So Allen what's your real role?

Norwee · 2022-07-19 12:25:01

Certified Scooby Doo unmasking moment.

2b55b5g · 2022-07-19 13:54:56

im just gonna say that i seriously want to be investigated because of how unbelievable my claim is if i do claim
i only suggested marten later because i figured that era wouldn’t investigate me

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#676 2022-07-19 08:54:55

Re: Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

!vote abiqi

#677 2022-07-19 09:22:04

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#678 2022-07-19 09:23:41

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#681 2022-07-19 09:29:57

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#682 2022-07-19 09:30:32

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#683 2022-07-19 09:31:27

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#684 2022-07-19 09:32:02

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#685 2022-07-19 09:34:26

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#686 2022-07-19 09:38:41

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#687 2022-07-19 09:42:26

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#688 2022-07-19 09:54:30

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#689 2022-07-19 09:55:49

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#690 2022-07-19 10:07:29

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#692 2022-07-19 10:11:32

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#693 2022-07-19 10:14:27

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#694 2022-07-19 10:23:34

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#695 2022-07-19 11:08:46

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#696 2022-07-19 11:17:38

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!vote norbius

#697 2022-07-19 11:59:45, last edited by Minimania (2022-07-19 11:59:57)

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#698 2022-07-19 12:23:39

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#699 2022-07-19 12:25:01

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#700 2022-07-19 13:54:56

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!vote Abiqi

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