Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Era · 2022-07-16 14:32:30

Additionally i don't know the mayors modifiers, they would be the prime targte if one eants to disrupt the vote, there would be a pretty good chance you could kill them instead.

Era · 2022-07-16 14:34:59

Also, here is another thought. The undertaker just died. And we don't know for sure there is a coroner. I suppose one could ask for a reveal, but in that case a jester executioner or arsonist would have plenty of reason to false claim that role. Any kill then performed would not net the town anymore info

Abiqi · 2022-07-16 15:09:07

Era wrote:

Additionally i don't know the mayors modifiers, they would be the prime targte if one eants to disrupt the vote, there would be a pretty good chance you could kill them instead.

Didn’t onjit say shadow as mayor is also the flagbearer?

Norwee · 2022-07-16 15:19:24

Flagbearer only makes your faction lose if they are eliminated by vote. So if they get shot it won’t make town lose.
Also that’s a pretty OP role.
Self-confirming town flagbearer major. Ain’t no way they’ll ever get eliminated. Seems a bit unfair to scum that the town flagbearer is effectively immune while theirs is under constant threat.

Norwee · 2022-07-16 15:23:31

Onjit also confirmed themselves town by correctly pointing out Shadow as flagbearer. An sentinel only knows the flagbearer of their faction.
With that we have 4 confirmed not evil roles so far?
Me / Shadow / Onjit / Era

Era · 2022-07-16 15:23:35

Norwee wrote:

Flagbearer only makes your faction lose if they are eliminated by vote. So if they get shot it won’t make town lose.
Also that’s a pretty OP role.
Self-confirming town flagbearer major. Ain’t no way they’ll ever get eliminated. Seems a bit unfair to scum that the town flagbearer is effectively immune while theirs is under constant threat.

Hes not under threat, hes under ground

mutantdevle

2b55b5g · 2022-07-16 15:24:03

Era wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
can era investigate me tonight?
Whx?

Norwee wrote:

I would not clear 2B based on Mutant's interactions with them. It could be possible distancing, and Mutant is very much capable of that.

to prove im good

2b55b5g · 2022-07-16 15:29:45

Minimania wrote:

(Optional Side Quest: Alphabetical Order!!! Make sure all the words in your posts are ordered alphabetically, forwards or backwards. Examples: "Anyone can gather good, hefty lots of resources today. Understood?" or "You wouldn't try to talk slowly, or maybe hurriedly, eh?"Anyone who can fulfill this task can choose a different background image for their Role Card ID that will appear at the end of the game or when flipped!)

including quotes?

Minimania · 2022-07-16 15:32:18

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Minimania wrote:
(Optional Side Quest: Alphabetical Order!!! Make sure all the words in your posts are ordered alphabetically, forwards or backwards. Examples: "Anyone can gather good, hefty lots of resources today. Understood?" or "You wouldn't try to talk slowly, or maybe hurriedly, eh?"Anyone who can fulfill this task can choose a different background image for their Role Card ID that will appear at the end of the game or when flipped!)
including quotes?

No those are fine but I think most people have been disqualified at this point ^^;

Norwee · 2022-07-16 15:33:22

Oh no, i wasn’t even trying and i got disqualified.

ExFabian · 2022-07-16 15:36:59

Norwee wrote:

Flagbearer only makes your faction lose if they are eliminated by vote. So if they get shot it won’t make town lose.
Also that’s a pretty OP role.
Self-confirming town flagbearer major. Ain’t no way they’ll ever get eliminated. Seems a bit unfair to scum that the town flagbearer is effectively immune while theirs is under constant threat.

yea, flagbearer is a pretty dumb modifier imo, if mutant hypothetically was a town flagbearer, the game would've been over in 3 days

Norwee · 2022-07-16 15:41:54

By the way Shadow, why did you confirm so late? You could have claimed at least 12 hours before day end instead of like 5 minutes… Mutant literally almost got away with it.

Minimania · 2022-07-16 16:07:00

Norwee wrote:

By the way Shadow, why did you confirm so late? You could have claimed at least 12 hours before day end instead of like 5 minutes… Mutant literally almost got away with it.

Because I couldn't just go a night without having a heart attack I guess lmao

Onjit, mutantdevle, ShadowsEdge, 2b55b5g

Era · 2022-07-16 16:20:33

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Era wrote:
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
can era investigate me tonight?
Whx?
Norwee wrote:
I would not clear 2B based on Mutant's interactions with them. It could be possible distancing, and Mutant is very much capable of that.
to prove im good

Proving someone suspected good is less valueable than prooving someone unknown as good.
And both are less valueable than proving someone evil.

I am not sure whom to investigate next, but the last two times were pretty spot on

Era · 2022-07-16 16:26:14

Norwee wrote:

Flagbearer only makes your faction lose if they are eliminated by vote. So if they get shot it won’t make town lose.
Also that’s a pretty OP role.
Self-confirming town flagbearer major. Ain’t no way they’ll ever get eliminated. Seems a bit unfair to scum that the town flagbearer is effectively immune while theirs is under constant threat.

honestlx it was just bad luck on mutants part. If he hadent written "i'll make sure xou don't regret this and stuff" I wouldn't have immidiently investigated him.

Also kind of funny that Shadow Marshall was right on the money for suspecting mutant, but i killed him for bullying onjit... this far I started all the lynches

2b55b5g · 2022-07-16 16:56:21

Era wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
Era wrote:
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
can era investigate me tonight?
Whx?
Norwee wrote:
I would not clear 2B based on Mutant's interactions with them. It could be possible distancing, and Mutant is very much capable of that.
to prove im good
Proving someone suspected good is less valueable than prooving someone unknown as good.
And both are less valueable than proving someone evil.
I am not sure whom to investigate next, but the last two times were pretty spot on

fair enough

IrrelevantGaymer · 2022-07-16 21:49:39

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Also according to my information (source: me), Irrelevant or Allen is the other maf. I'm suspecting that there's 3 maf, more of a hunch than anything, the only real evidence I have to why there's only 3 maf is that Mutant started trying to solve for who the third mafia was after concluding that Onjit and Era were mafia.
Whichever isn't maf, I assume the other is a neutral, whether thats neutral or neutral evil is tbd.
Marten and Fabien need to be more active, as I literally cannot read them if they don't talk, and just for the record, what did you investigate N1KF as era?

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Also according to my information (source: me), Irrelevant or Allen is the other maf. I'm suspecting that there's 3 maf, more of a hunch than anything, the only real evidence I have to why there's only 3 maf is that Mutant started trying to solve for who the third mafia was after concluding that Onjit and Era were mafia.
Whichever isn't maf, I assume the other is a neutral, whether thats neutral or neutral evil is tbd.
Marten and Fabien need to be more active, as I literally cannot read them if they don't talk, and just for the record, what did you investigate N1KF as era?

I haven’t been able to be super active for past days, I will be active tomorrow but it seems Nikf is already voted for, so there’s not much I can add. I am a Criminologist with Novice and Impulsive, so I’ve only been able to autopsy MutantDevle who only received an !investigate action. We have to remember that there is a Plaguebearer, so there’s a good chance neither MutantDevle or I are infected. Now that I have claimed, I don’t think it’s worth for PB to infect me because there’s already so many deaths so the benefit of me visiting dead bodies is already gone.

N1KF · 2022-07-16 21:57:17

Era wrote:

N1KF: I suppose serial killer killing unconfirmed roles at random + me investigating would have a pretty good chance to destroy the plaquebearer.
The question then would be, why would you have any reason to cooperate with the town?
This would also get rid of any other evil roles effictively.
But in the end with your identity known the town would probably just throw you under the bus at some point.

Because you'd just lynch me if townies got killed at night, unless we get evidence that I'm innocent. If I am the Serial Killer, I'd have no choice but to survive as long as I can, which would mean not getting lynched as long as I can.

Aside from public vote, which would be nearly impossible to hijack, the Serial Killer's current threats would be the Jester and Neutral Evil roles.

Every night you spend lynching a possible Serial Killer, you give another night for the Plaguebearer to Infect or the Arsonist to Douse. If I am a Serial Killer, I'm effectively weakened to the point where I have no choice but to follow the will of the town, with the most consistent attacking ability in the game.

Norwee · 2022-07-16 22:03:06

If you are the serial killer then you should just be limmed tbh.

I'm not sure if Era did investigate you as that though or if this is just some yolo speculation.

Norwee · 2022-07-16 22:12:40

N1KF you should probably roleclaim.

N1KF · 2022-07-16 22:17:18

I'm a Novice, Breadcrumb Gambler.

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-16 23:28:11

Norwee wrote:

By the way Shadow, why did you confirm so late? You could have claimed at least 12 hours before day end instead of like 5 minutes… Mutant literally almost got away with it.

For the actual reason why, it's because before the 3 hour mark, iirc, we were at like 5 votes total, so revealing would have only brought it up to 7. I was hoping that I wouldn't have to reveal to get mutant lynched, because I assumed if I had revealed yesterday, I would be killed last night. Then by 3 hours there were 6 votes (or somewhere around there) but you were offline, and so revealing still wouldn't have lynched Mutant because your vote wouldn't have counted because hammerer. I was waiting to confirm that you were getting on to reveal so that I knew that I could reveal to lynch mutant.

Tbf tho, part of the reason why I said my read on mutant was more of a scumread thing was because Mini did verify to me that multiple flagbearers could exist in a faction, I just didn't trust mutant's claim enough to believe he was actually flagbearer.

Also, the Gambler claim seems weird, considering we know there's another Gambler/Forecaster who has reporting (because public announcements), and isn't a Novice (because of the guess N1).

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-16 23:30:24

ShadowsEdge wrote:

For the actual reason why, it's because before the 3 hour mark, iirc, we were at like 5 votes total, so revealing would have only brought it up to 7. I was hoping that I wouldn't have to reveal to get mutant lynched, because I assumed if I had revealed yesterday, I would be killed last night. Then by 3 hours there were 6 votes (or somewhere around there) but you were offline, and so revealing still wouldn't have lynched Mutant because your vote wouldn't have counted because hammerer. I was waiting to confirm that you were getting on to reveal so that I knew that I could reveal to lynch mutant.

edit: I didn't want to reveal unless I knew it could lynch mutant, because then I would just be attacked or trialed. I probably should have revealed earlier, but I just wanted to make sure that me revealing actually did something.

Norwee · 2022-07-16 23:38:54

Ok.
Well for context, i had pre-written my message and set the alarm clock on my phone right by the bed. So that when it rang i grabbed my phone, opened the screen so that i literally just needed to click "post" and then went back to sleep for 1 and a half hours. So i totally missed your "plz stay online" thing

ShadowsEdge

N1KF · 2022-07-16 23:42:06

During Night 2 I originally had a list of people with unconfirmed roles based on their position on the mutantdevle lynching, but for whatever reason I closed it without saving. So I guess we aren't getting that unless I go back and check.

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Also, the Gambler claim seems weird, considering we know there's another Gambler/Forecaster who has reporting (because public announcements), and isn't a Novice (because of the guess N1).

Doesn't seem that weird to me. Both Town and Mafia probably have their own guessers, like they both have Sentinels and Flagbearers.

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