Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

Norwee · 2022-07-15 02:07:40

AllenCaspe9510
MartenM
Althea
Era

These are players not voting.

(Btw Crybaby you listed Mutant as voting themselves above.)

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-15 02:07:54

Chances are tonight ends in a sleep. (Pretty sure Mutant's vote on himself is meant to be Norwee but Norwee's doesnt count cuz hammerer)

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-15 02:08:37

Actually, has Marten even said anything today?

Norwee · 2022-07-15 02:09:02

FYI i need to be the 8th vote for it to count

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-15 02:10:30

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Actually, has Marten even said anything today?

I just checked, they haven't. Do you have anything you want to add to the conversation (Whether about Mutant/Althea/Onjit/Era or otherwise) @Marten.

ZeldaXD · 2022-07-15 02:11:13

By the way, Norwee, as you've confirmed already your role, do you mind telling us your modifiers?

If there is a theme surrounding roles and modifiers and it's not just pure random, I'd expect you to be one of the following combinations:

Bulletproof Hated
Bulletproof Hammering
Bulletproof Macho

Norwee · 2022-07-15 02:11:38

2 of the players voting with Mutant are players that barely even talked at all this game.

Norwee · 2022-07-15 02:14:17

ZeldaXD wrote:

By the way, Norwee, as you've confirmed already your role, do you mind telling us your modifiers?

Hammering and bulletproof.

Norwee · 2022-07-15 02:15:07

I didn't say this? Could have sworn i did.

N1KF · 2022-07-15 02:19:58

Yeah, you already stated you're Hammering.

!prod MartenM

Minimania

Minimania · 2022-07-15 02:24:56

Should MartenM not make a new post in 48 hours with the !confirm command, they will be modkilled.

Onjit · 2022-07-15 02:28:39

Althea wrote:

Oh something I just realized, Era could be a Jester. As soon as Muntant flips then people would go after him. Though maybe Onjit could be too and Era is just executioner? That would explain Onjit's play at the end of the day yesterday.

this is blatant wheel-spinning from a panicked mafia lol

ie. its just throwing out so many hypotheticals to just confuse people more than actually help

instead of getting boggesd down in what is technically possible, we should focus on what is probable.

here are the facts:
1. era claimed that theyre the detective and that devle js the opressor
2. devle claimed to be the flag bearer (but also bullet proof) (ie. the perfect role to not get limmed)
3. althea claimed that theyre the sentinel and that devle is the flagbearer
4. onjit (thats me!) claimed that theyre the sentinel and that devle IS NOT the flagbearer

it might seem trite to list out what we already have heard, but i think it is important to consider what is more probable:
1. era and onjit are telling the truth, and we should lim devle (and devle and althea are lying --> mafia)
2. devle and althea are telling the truth, and devle just happens to have the exact role needed to dodge norbius's move, and also era and onjit are both lying, AND btw theyre both independent to each other and are both third party, unless of course theyre both mafia

honestly i can see how devle claiming flagbearer makes it a risk to vote for them, but that is why it is so blatantly false

even if i didnt have clear evidence that he was lying (ie. the real flagbearer's name in my role card), i would still not believe him for a second

ZeldaXD · 2022-07-15 02:38:07

Norwee wrote:

I didn't say this? Could have sworn i did.

Now that I check it, you implied you were hammering but never that you're bulletproof, so this is interesting

Era · 2022-07-15 03:21:25

Minimania wrote:

@Era: You might want to revote. Your vote was made before the Gladiator claim, which mechanically resets all votes.
There are 14 players currently alive. A minimum of 8 votes are required to put someone under.

If you do not vote, your vote will be counted as !sleep. Players can vote to not lynch anyone during the day by using the !sleep command.

It makes no sense that you want to count the majority against the total number of players today while you did so against the number of voting ones yesterday. Please use consistent rules, the gladiator rule does not say anything that would justify changing the voting system. People who votw sleep or do not vote should not be considered for the number needed for the majority as they were yesterday. (if they had been Marshmallow Marshall would be alive becaude there was only 3 people voting them)

The rules don't say anything about having to revote either. If i haden't seen this before work my vote would have been nullified before work. fun.

!vote mutantdevle

Era · 2022-07-15 03:25:09

Minimania wrote:

Should MartenM not make a new post in 24 hours with the !confirm command, they will be modkilled.
(Time pauses when night time begins and resumes when it ends.)

The rules say 48 hours...

Minimania · 2022-07-15 03:27:52

Era wrote:

Minimania wrote:
Should MartenM not make a new post in 24 hours with the !confirm command, they will be modkilled.
(Time pauses when night time begins and resumes when it ends.)
The rules say 48 hours...

24 hours of wait time + the 24 from sleep = 48 hours

Actually let me check if I made another oopsie.

If it really does say 48 then I'll kick myself and edit both times.

But if it really does say 48 hours, then I dont want the time to pause at night.

EDIT: Yeah it's 48, kick me

Minimania · 2022-07-15 03:31:47

Era wrote:

It makes no sense that you want to count the majority against the total number of players today while you did so against the number of voting ones yesterday. Please use consistent rules, the gladiator rule does not say anything that would justify changing the voting system.

As for this, the Gladiator would have to reset all votes, or there would be a **** ton of invalid votes upon declaring (votes on players that aren't a part of the duo). It prevents the Gladiator from declaring a couple of seconds before the end of the day to get a quick lynch on someone who already has 8 votes.

Althea · 2022-07-15 03:33:14

Onjit wrote:

Althea wrote:
Oh something I just realized, Era could be a Jester. As soon as Muntant flips then people would go after him. Though maybe Onjit could be too and Era is just executioner? That would explain Onjit's play at the end of the day yesterday.
this is blatant wheel-spinning from a panicked mafia lol
ie. its just throwing out so many hypotheticals to just confuse people more than actually help
instead of getting boggesd down in what is technically possible, we should focus on what is probable.
here are the facts:
1. era claimed that theyre the detective and that devle js the opressor
2. devle claimed to be the flag bearer (but also bullet proof) (ie. the perfect role to not get limmed)
3. althea claimed that theyre the sentinel and that devle is the flagbearer
4. onjit (thats me!) claimed that theyre the sentinel and that devle IS NOT the flagbearer
it might seem trite to list out what we already have heard, but i think it is important to consider what is more probable:
1. era and onjit are telling the truth, and we should lim devle (and devle and althea are lying --> mafia)
2. devle and althea are telling the truth, and devle just happens to have the exact role needed to dodge norbius's move, and also era and onjit are both lying, AND btw theyre both independent to each other and are both third party, unless of course theyre both mafia
honestly i can see how devle claiming flagbearer makes it a risk to vote for them, but that is why it is so blatantly false
even if i didnt have clear evidence that he was lying (ie. the real flagbearer's name in my role card), i would still not believe him for a second

All of this is irrelevant to me because I KNOW Mutant is town. I am dead tonight or tomorrow so wanted to make sure I put the possibilities of what's going on out there beforehand.

Era · 2022-07-15 03:34:32

Again, the rules don't state anything about this. I am not happy about all these impromptu changes, especially if they bust invalidated my vote in the middle of the night.

Minimania · 2022-07-15 03:36:17

Era wrote:

Again, the rules don't state anything about this. I am not happy about all these impromptu changes, especially if they bust invalidated my vote in the middle of the night.

I'll take full blame for not making this clearer but it was never not going to work this way

EDIT: What I meant to say is "It was never going to work if it wasn't this way"

Era · 2022-07-15 03:40:37

I don't see it. The voteflip immidiently before twiligiht is the same yesterday. If they were an executioner they would have won with that tactic. Why could 't a gladiator? preventing them from declaring 12 hours before the vote is over would be much smarter than invalidating all the votes.

Althea · 2022-07-15 03:42:14

Era wrote:

I don't see it. The voteflip immidiently before twiligiht is the same yesterday. If they were an executioner they would have won with that tactic. Why could 't a gladiator? preventing them from declaring 12 hours before the vote is over would be much smarter than invalidating all the votes.

This is how gladiator always works. Don't blame mini and it's irrelevant since you ARE here to revote.

Era · 2022-07-15 03:44:02

Yes, I am this time. But if this is expected I will simply throw the game because I can't make a 24/7 time commitment. That's just insane.

Althea · 2022-07-15 03:45:39

Era wrote:

Yes, I am this time. But if this is expected I will simply throw the game because I can't make a 24/7 time commitment. That's just insane.

I really don't understand what you're going on about. The issue is resolved.

Norwee · 2022-07-15 03:47:06

I’ve seen way worse gamethrows than that actually happening. I think it’s mentioned in my role on the list that votes reset when i declare.

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!vote mutantdevle

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