Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

mrjawapa · 2021-05-08 18:18:38

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Witch doesn't know if Mafia will betray

The mafia can win with the witch, but not vampires. So, it's safe to say the mafia won't betray him, unless they are on a suicide mission.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Maybe he's trying to play safe, but it's gonna be 1v1v1v1 if nolynch happens today, since mafia will definitely kill a vamp. Majority is 50% + 1, if the next day another vamp is lynched, it's still 1v1v1

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

No lynch today, maf kill a vamp

1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

Vamp, witch, and survivor can all win together and lynch the last maf for a win.

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2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

lynch maf today

vamps, witch, and surv win

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2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf

lynch surv today, maf kills a vamp

1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 maf

The witch decides who wins

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 18:32:35

Literally what's the point for the Witch to team up with mafia, if almost every scenario requires mafia to be dead.
It all just goes back to why Orton stopped me from lynching you.

mrjawapa · 2021-05-08 18:47:01

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Literally what's the point for the Witch to team up with mafia

Uncertainty that vampires exist. We all know there is a mafia faction.

Orton has to play it safe to win. If he forces a decision, and is wrong, he loses.

You are being very obtuse. You're forgetting that this is a game about misleading and lying, and you're believing things people tell you, even if they don't make relative sense.

!whisper
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mrjawapa · 2021-05-08 19:55:57

I got some clarification from mini, and if I'm understanding this correctly, the outcomes are a bit different from what I originally thought.

mrjawapa wrote:

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
No lynch today, maf kill a vamp
1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
Vamp, witch, and survivor can all win together and lynch the last maf for a win.

Actually, if the vamp, witch, and survivor lynched maf, no one would hold a majority, and a majority could still be formed for a lynch. It would be 1 vamp vs 1 witch vs 1 survivor. Either the vamp and surv wins, or the vamp and witch wins.

The witch could also decide to team with the mafia, and lynch the last vampire. Making it 1 maf vs 1 surv vs 1 witch. Either the mafia and surv win, or the mafia and witch win.

mrjawapa wrote:

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
lynch maf today
vamps, witch, and surv win

This is wrong, because the vampires wouldn't hold majority, and a majority could still be formed to lynch someone. So the win would actually be either vamps and survivor, or vamps and witch.

mrjawapa wrote:

2 vamps, 1 witch, 1 surv, 1 maf
lynch surv today, maf kills a vamp
1 vamp, 1 witch, 1 maf
The witch decides who wins

Either witch and mafia win, or witch and vampire win.

Unless for some stupid reason the vamp/mafia lynch the witch, and the mafia then night kill the vamp and mafia wins.

Minimania · 2021-05-08 20:03:08

mrjawapa wrote:

Actually, if the vamp, witch, and survivor lynched maf, no one would hold a majority, and a majority could still be formed for a lynch. It would be 1 vamp vs 1 witch vs 1 survivor. Either the vamp and surv wins, or the vamp and witch wins.

Not true. A Vamp, Survivor, and Witch can all win together.

Allow me to clarify. Witches can win with any evil role, but Evil roles cannot win with each other (provided they aren't aligned with eavh other.)

Survivors can win with any player, but, again, Evil roles can't win with each other, and Town also can't win with Evil roles.

A Mafia Goon and an SK cannot win with each other. If those two roles were left with a Witch or a Survivor in the game, neither the Goon nor the SK have won yet, so the Witch can't win yet, either. At that point, either the Goon and SK vote each other and the Witch decides, or the Witch itself gets voted out and the game ends in a Stalemate.

A Survivor does not prevent the Mafia from reaching a majority against town, but it can still win with town, so the game does not end there.

Similarly, a Witch does not prevent the Mafia from reaching a majority against town either. Properly speaking, the town can be a good liar and convince the Witch to vote for the Mafia, so the game doesn't quite end there either.

These scenarios all assume there's only one evil faction remaining.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 20:12:14

Why should I even believe that you're a Survivor, at least Allen kinda has proof that he's Monster Slayer.

I checked whispers, and I'll mainly focus on you, me, Task, Allen, and Orton. Anyway, starting from Day 4, page 14.
Post #335, I assume Allen whispered to Task about being Jester.
Post #336, Task whispered two people, probably Allen and you. You told me Task told you that Allen claimed jester relatively early during D4.

Post #344, Task whispered me, expressing interest to cooperate with me since I claimed Cookies.
Post #345 and #346 were me responding to the whisper.
Post #347, Task whispered to 3 people, one of them is me. The other two are probably Allen and you.
Post #348 and #349 was when I lied to Task about you being dangerous.

Page 15,
Most of it were you talking to Task, and me talking to you.
Post #369, Allen whispered 2 people. He whispered me and someone else, idk if the second one was Orton.
The rest was just us whispering each other.

Page 16,
Post #383, you asked Orton to address the accusation that he's Witch.
Post #392, Orton whispered, probably responding to you. If that was to respond Allen, you probably would've called him out.

Page 17,
Post #401, another whisper from Orton, again I assume he's whispering to you, since in post #403 and #404 you whispered again (one was to respond to me).
Post #406 and #407 were probably both of you whispering each other.
Post #409, Task whispered me, addressing why he didn't attack Orton (he said he's not Monster Slayer). He also whispered another person.
Post #416 and #417, Task whispered me and someone else. I assume you.

Page 17,
Post #432, Orton whispered me, agreeing my plan.
Post #434 and #437, Orton whispered me again.
Post #440 to #443 are probably you and Task whispering each other.

Now this is probably a possible time where Orton and Allen whispered.
Post #444, Orton whispered.
Post #448, Allen whispered.

Post #449 and #450, Allen whispered to me
Let's say Orton somehow teams up with Allen out of nowhere, for some reason whispers Allen to claim Cookies to me, somehow knows that Task is Monster Slayer (Task could be Vet), and told Allen to claim to have a different alignment after Task is dead.
What doesn't make sense is that between post #448 and #449, there's a one hour gap, if he agrees with Orton, he should've whispered me that he is Cookies right after that.

Day 5, page 19,
Post #475, Allen whispered me and someone else, probably you.

Page 20,
Post #478, you probably whispered Allen about him fakeclaiming as Jester.
Post #480, you told me that Allen lied about being Jester.
Post #482, you whispered me about the role list.

Post #483, Orton whispered me and someone else.

Post #486 and #487, Exco whispered to me.
Post #489, you whispered someone.
Post #490, Orton whispered me.

Post #497, Orton whispered me and someone else.

Page 21,
Post #503, Allen whispered me, agreed with cooperating.

Post #506, Allen whispered to someone else.

Post #510, I whispered to Allen.
Post #511, Allen whispered to me, said that Task claimed Vet.
Post #512, I whispered to Allen again.
Post #514 to #517, me and Allen whispered each other.

And page 22 to 23 is where the argument till now starts.

I'm not gonna unvote, but I want Orton and Allen to say who and what they whispered in parts that I bolded.
I might change my mind and vote Allen if there are discrepancies.

Tell me if there's anything wrong btw, there was a lot.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 20:21:09

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Page 17,
Post #432, Orton whispered me, agreeing my plan.
Post #434 and #437, Orton whispered me again.
Post #440 to #443 are probably you and Task whispering each other.
Now this is probably a possible time where Orton and Allen whispered.
Post #444, Orton whispered.
Post #448, Allen whispered.
Post #449 and #450, Allen whispered to me
Let's say Orton somehow teams up with Allen out of nowhere, for some reason whispers Allen to claim Cookies to me, somehow knows that Task is Monster Slayer (Task could be Vet), and told Allen to claim to have a different alignment after Task is dead.
What doesn't make sense is that between post #448 and #449, there's a one hour gap, if he agrees with Orton, he should've whispered me that he is Cookies right after that.

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2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 21:07:28

There's just one thing I don't understand.
I don't get why Orton would go through loads of efforts just to betray me.
There's plenty of things he could've done to make it much more easier for him.

For example, telling me who mafia is.
If it's Jawapa, that means Allen is town, we lynch Jawapa, converting Allen, we get the W.
If it's Allen, that means Jawapa is Surv, we lynch Allen, we get the W as well.

Sure he suggested nolynch, but the intent was because he wanted to make sure that Allen wouldn't do anything. If he even lied about that, that means he wants mafia to kill vamps, and wants to be in a 1v1v1v1, instead of securing his win Day 6.

It's why I don't believe that Orton is lying. Lying means he wants to win with a much more difficult way.

mrjawapa · 2021-05-08 21:31:32

Minimania wrote:

Not true. A Vamp, Survivor, and Witch can all win together. . .

Ohhh okay, sorry. I misunderstood.

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2B55B5G TNG wrote:

at least Allen kinda has proof that he's Monster Slayer.

How does he have any more proof that he's a monster slayer than I do as survivor, or you do as a vampire?

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

there's a one hour gap, if he agrees with Orton, he should've whispered me that he is Cookies right after that.

Are you implying that anything Allen has done this game has made any sense?

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #392, Orton whispered, probably responding to you. If that was to respond Allen, you probably would've called him out.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #401, another whisper from Orton, again I assume he's whispering to you

He was responding to me. I sent him a message asking if he was the witch. He said yes and there was no point in denying it.

I told him I was the survivor and asked about what info he had. He asked how he could trust me, especially since I was willing to lynch him. I told him it made no difference what I was since we had a investigative role call him out, and it didn't matter if he admitted anything to me or not.
Then, like I did with you and Task, I talked about what I thought the game setup was.
Then I made offers to send him feet pics.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #406 and #407 were probably both of you whispering each other.

My whisper was to you, when I told you I called Task out for not killing Orton, and thought he might actually be the photographer.

Orton's whisper was to me, that's when he told me what info he had.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #416 and #417, Task whispered me and someone else. I assume you.

Yes, this is when he told me Allen claimed jester.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #440 to #443 are probably you and Task whispering each other.

#440 - Task is not whispering to me
#441 - Task role claimed to me and told me why orton was not dead
#442 - I whispered task telling him that some things made more sense now
#443 - I messaged Allen asking if he was the jester.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #475, Allen whispered me and someone else, probably you.

Was not me

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #478, you probably whispered Allen about him fakeclaiming as Jester.

Yes

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #489, you whispered someone.

I whispered Exo telling him hi, and offered him feet pics.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Post #511, Allen whispered to me, said that Task claimed Vet.

Task told me that he hadn't claimed to anyone except Exo.

Abiqi · 2021-05-08 21:33:56

Ah right d3 I think Task claimed Monster Slayer to me

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 21:42:37

!whisper

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 21:47:58

I'm still gonna wait for Allen and Orton to respond.

I really think that it's unnecessary for Orton to lie to me but whatever.

32OrtonEdge32dh · 2021-05-08 22:03:25

mrjawapa wrote:

The witch decides who wins

I haven't lied to anyone, and I haven't whispered with Allen once (either direction).

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 22:10:01

!whisper

32OrtonEdge32dh · 2021-05-08 22:10:04

I also don't think I've exposed anyone or given up any secrets to anyone

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 22:12:52

orton why did you control Task to Allen instead of controlling him to someone much more safer? makes no sense to me

32OrtonEdge32dh · 2021-05-08 22:28:15

I was under the impression that Allen was the Jester, and honestly just didn't think to send Task to someone that was more likely safe.

2b55b5g · 2021-05-08 22:32:25

why did you tell me to nolynch btw.
if a maf is lynched today, even if allen attacks one of the vamps, it's still 1v1v1 (town vs vamp vs witch), you'll definitely side with vamps.
the reason you gave doesn't make much sense to me considering i can still win as long as i lynch the maf today.

also, who did you whisper in posts #444, #483 and #497?

32OrtonEdge32dh · 2021-05-08 23:28:13

I just figured no matter what it would be safer in that scenario to leave someone alive who Allen could be harmlessly directed to. Those whispers were to Jawapa, you and Jawapa, and you and Jawapa.

AllenCaspe9510 · 2021-05-09 02:37:38

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