Mafia 50 - Rise of the Phoenixborn Game Thread [VAMP/WITCH WIN]

2b55b5g · 2021-04-28 15:45:40

why would he tell you or at least imply he's witch to you though lol
im kinda confused

Different55 · 2021-04-28 16:13:15

Like I said, I never told him what he was claiming. Last night the witch tried to witch me, and when I whispered to Orton I asked if he was the one that messed with my ability. He confirmed.

mrjawapa · 2021-04-28 16:17:24

Different55 wrote:

Like I said, I never told him what he was claiming. Last night the witch tried to witch me, and when I whispered to Orton I asked if he was the one that messed with my ability. He confirmed.

What do you mean he *tried* to witch you?

mrjawapa · 2021-04-28 16:18:49

I'll piggy back on this, just because we're so short on time.

If orton isn't the witch, diff should be mocked and publicly shamed.

!vote orton

Different55 · 2021-04-28 16:24:48

mrjawapa wrote:

Different55 wrote:
Like I said, I never told him what he was claiming. Last night the witch tried to witch me, and when I whispered to Orton I asked if he was the one that messed with my ability. He confirmed.
What do you mean he *tried* to witch you?

I mean he redirected me onto the person I was already targeting lol

Just going to shout some whispers, hopefully get some people in here before Mini.

!whisper

Minimania

Different55 · 2021-04-28 16:27:23

9 people alive, only 5 needed for a majority. We already got 3.

2b55b5g · 2021-04-28 16:29:38

!vote orton

pls be evil

mrjawapa · 2021-04-28 16:34:04

Different55 wrote:

person I was already targeting lol

O.o?

TaskManager · 2021-04-28 16:52:56

i wonder whats mini going to do when he wakes up lmao

!whisper

!vote orton

Minimania

Different55 · 2021-04-28 16:54:14

!whisper

Minimania

AllenCaspe9510 · 2021-04-28 16:57:00

!Unvote

!vote orton

Onjit · 2021-04-28 16:58:41

clutching victory from the jaws of defeat

Different55, mrjawapa, 2b55b5g

TaskManager · 2021-04-28 16:59:22

!whisper

Minimania

Different55 · 2021-04-28 17:13:56

!whisper

Minimania

TaskManager · 2021-04-28 17:28:53

!whisper

Minimania

Different55 · 2021-04-28 17:45:25

I can't remember if I whispered or not already but !whisper

mrjawapa

TaskManager · 2021-04-28 17:49:19

wow diff you sure whisper a lot

!whisper

mrjawapa, Minimania

Abiqi · 2021-04-28 17:52:28

!unvote
!vote orton

mrjawapa · 2021-04-28 18:12:02

!whisper

Minimania

Different55 · 2021-04-28 18:35:22

!whisper

We oughta like try to gather up all the whispers after the game ends, it's really turning into an interesting mechanic.

Minimania, TaskManager

Minimania · 2021-04-28 18:49:16

I have to take responsibility for this. I fell asleep, and ended up giving everyone way more time than they should've gotten. I have to take an unbiased stance here; I will not be accepting votes that occured after the Day cutoff. All of the whispers and conversations since then are fine.

Bad news aside, here's some good news. I'll let today and tomorrow both be Night. That gives you guys some extra time.

In any case, here are the recognized votes.

Onjit [6] - TaskManager, Excoluss, AllenCaspe9510, 32OrtonEdge32dh, Different55, Kkay
32OrtonEdge32dh [1] - Onjit

▼Flip

Night begins. Do your Nighttime roles.

32OrtonEdge32dh

Minimania · 2021-05-01 04:29:58

One death.

▼Hidden text

Onjit

Minimania · 2021-05-01 08:00:03

Day 4 Begins.

https://countingdownto.com/?c=3584147

AllenCaspe9510 · 2021-05-01 09:16:20

Oh no

2b55b5g · 2021-05-01 11:00:46

Before you guys all lynch Orton, I have something to say.
I am Cookies, and I'll explain why I decided to claim.

Assuming there are initially 3 mafias (because it makes sense to me), there are 2 mafias left, so the game right now has 3 Towns, 2 Mafias, 1 Cookie, and 1 Witch (assuming Orton IS a Witch).
Now, you might be wondering why I'm claiming if the optimal play for me is to stay silent. Okay, if I don't claim today, assuming that the Witch is lynched today, 3 Towns, 2 Mafias, and 1 Cookie will remain at Night 4.

SCENARIO 1
Mafia attacks me, and I convert into mafia. Mafia holds majority and wins (3 vs 3 but mafia can choose not to vote).

SCENARIO 2
Mafia attacks a town, 2 Towns, 2 Mafias, and 1 Cookie remain. If I'm lynched, mafia wins. Of course, there is a chance that I won't be lynched, but is it worth the risk? If a town is lynched, town still loses, and I lose too. There is a 3 out of 5 chance that mafia wins in this scenario.

But hey, if the game is leaning towards Mafia right now, why did I claim and try to help town? This might sound stupid, but I think scenario one is unlikely to happen. Let's say that I'm somehow helpful and mafia wants to get rid of me, well, I think Task and Jawapa are quite helpful as well, plus Jawapa did try to stop us from lynching Onjit. Why would mafia kill me?
If I don't claim, scenario 2 will most likely happen, and I've already explained why this is bad for both me, and town.

I don't know if a Vigilante or a Retributionist exists, good if they do, but I'm still claiming anyway.
Anyway I have a plan, we try to find a mafia this day, and lynch them. If we really can't be sure on who mafia is, then I guess we're just gonna rely on luck lmao.
Idk if roleclaiming is a good idea for anybody else, but if you have any info, it's best to share them NOW.

Now, why should you trust me? Let's look back at the deaths at Night 1, Yandere, Milk Man, Detective, and Mayor died. 3 out of those 4 deaths are roles who can visit. Again, let's look at the roles that can kill N1, which are Vigilante, Veteran, Monster Slayer, Godfather + another mafia role, Yandere, and Serial Killer. Monster Slayer obviously didn't kill N1, if Serial Killer actually exists, I doubt they'll not kill during Night 2 and 3. The remaining roles that can kill are Vigilante, Veteran, Godfather + another mafia role, and Yandere. As I said before, 3 out of 4 deaths are roles who can visit, so I think it's likely that Veteran killed some people, it kinda makes sense for Vet to alert N1 as well. So what's my point? My point is that IF a Vigilante exists, I think that they didn't use their bullet, it's not wise to use their bullet N1 anyway. In a setup where Yandere, Executioner, Witch, and Milk Man exist, town was already in a huge disadvantage, I think it makes sense that Vigi exists in the setup to balance the roles a bit. You might argue that town is already strong enough when Mayor, Detective, and Cop all exist, but Detective and Cop can't really help us find who scums are easily, their results only give us insight as to who could potentially be evil. Maybe it's a bit too OP that both Vigi and Veteran might be in the setup, but Vigi is one-shot, Veteran's alerts can be wasted as well.

What does this all do with whether you can trust me or not? It's simple, if we do successfully lynch a mafia today, that makes it 3 Towns, 1 Mafia, 1 Cookie, and 1 Witch. Vigilante can shoot the Witch, then it'll be 3 Towns, 1 Mafia, and 1 Cookie. Even if mafia converted me, it'll be 3 Towns and 2 Mafia, you guys are gonna lynch me anyway. The wisest choice for mafia is to kill someone that's not me, and try to accuse me the next day (lol), then secure the win.

As long as Vigilante exists and shoots the Witch, I think town got the win in the bag. If somehow the Vigi doesn't exist, your best shot is to lynch me today (yes I'm saying this because it's literally impossible for me to win now anyways, I'm gambling on Vigi existing), and have the Vet alert, mafia has a 1 out of 3 chance to hit Vet if that's the case.

I hope the inactives can speak more btw.

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!whisper

!vote orton

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