Mafia 35 game thread [MAFIA WINS] (GAME OVER)

rat · 2019-11-12 18:18:38

anyWHO
im gonna vote for task because im town, i highly doubt shadow is maf, but im not sure abt task

!vote task

Norwee · 2019-11-12 19:44:40

The day ends in 38 hours or until a majority has been reached.
The majority for this day is [5]

[2] Taskmanager: Kira, eleizibeth
[2] eleizibeth: Taskmanager, NoNK
[0] ShadowsEdge:
Not voting: ZeldaXD, ShadowsEdge, ILikeTofuuJoe, Slabdrill

NoNK · 2019-11-13 00:34:44

if ur not voting you probably should get an opinion and vote because the more we do the plurality rule thing the less info town gets

ShadowsEdge · 2019-11-13 05:06:07

Alright y'all I said I would do a reads list and stuff about my thoughts on Mutant's flip, and this is what I'm doing. It's all gonna be in a few spoilers because I expect it to be fairly long.

Anyway, with that out of the way, here you go:

▼Nomination Thoughts

First of all, I want to get my opinions about the Nominations for this D2 and D4 out. Knowing the nominees for D2 (Me, Mutant, and Peace), and for today (Me, Taskmanager, and Eleizibeth), one of the things that strikes me the most is that the nominations for each day seem to be the people that are regarded as the most suspicious, as well as also being the ones that are, in a sense, the most suspicious.

Mutant and I were candidates in Day 2, and we're both experienced. I tend to make mistakes, though (i.e. Mutant), and Mutant tends to be more suspected on regards of his expertise in Mafia. The same goes for me (e.g. Universe Mafia when I was targeted Day 1). If the Mafia did this intentionally, they likely chose us knowing that we would only make ourselves more suspicious by being in the candidacy. Peace is a different story, Peace just filled a filler spot, I suppose.

For Day 4, I was yet again chosen, but this time, it was after I was highly regarded as suspicious for my attacks on Mutant. Taskmanager was chosen, after being suspected by Mutant, and others. And Eleizibeth was chosen, for what I assume to be general disconnection from the game holding a similar resonance to their play on Universe Mafia.

I don't claim that this is 100% the reason any of us were chosen. It's simply the reason I believe that we were chosen for the nomination.

I have a high regard that the candidates for today are all town, which leads to another point: the Mafia have specifically chosen town members in the Nominations. More than likely, the Mafia are trying to play a safe bet, and risk as little as possible in order to achieve their goals.

There are many reasons I believe the nominees for today are all town. All of us are suspicious in various ways, and I would consider some of us to be more suspicious than others. The Mafia realize if any of them look suspicious, and are less likely to place suspicious Mafia Members into the Nominee pool, because then it puts one of their most suspicious members out in the open for the town to take their chance. Furthermore, given the situation we're in (Where tomorrow is going to be LyLo), the Mafia will more than likely want to guarantee a mislynch today, to guarantee a LyLo tomorrow, as well as heighten their chances of winning the game.

For these reasons, I believe the Mafia are trying to play safe bets, and that ideals likely show through their playstyle as well.

▼Reads

I'm not going to do a whole load of quotes for this post, because one, I want to keep it short and to the point, mainly pointing out my thoughts over a few topics and whatnot

Side note for these reads, I'm trying not to completely rush them, because I want them to be as concise as possible, but I don't expect to spend something like 5 hours on them to make the best reads possible. I'm reading through the whole thread in general, but most of these reads are simply coming from the Nomination candidates, and how that correlates to everyone and my reads of them.

The reads will be listed in the order they were listed on in the OP.

Crybaby/NoNK

Though I've had general suspicions about Crybaby and NoNK. I don't know 100% about my standings of NoNK. Part of me wants to claim them as Town, but a part of me also doesn't want to acclaim to it too quickly. Crybaby has had suspicious moments in Day 2, regarding Mutant. But having gone through the ordeal myself with Mutant in D3, I can see slightly where the appeal came from.

NoNK does not fit the mafia model I have set in the Nominations idea. Though, I wouldn't use this to disregard him as Mafia, since the main point is that the Mafia have been choosing townsmembers into the candidates for lynching, so that the Mafia can play a safer bet into the future days.

I've tried to get reactions out of NoNK by going for things I knew would throw him off (e.g. pointing out his misusage of the colors. It's a weak argument, so I figured if he made a big deal out of it, then it might lead to something). But nothing was ever really yielded from it, which is why I feel like it points more to a townish perspective.

In general, I think that Crybaby/NoNK is more likely a town-lean. But for the time being, and not wanting to claim to anything too early, knowing how well NoNK is at hiding as Mafia, I'm going to claim NoNK as a Townleaning Null.

ZeldaXD

First thing I want to get out of the way, mainly on a little trap I set up, to see how things would turn out. On D3 I said I would bring up my opinions on ZeldaXD again for D4. I knew 100% that today was going to be nomination day, which is why set that up. I wanted to see if the Mafia would place ZeldaXD in the nominations. Zelda was arguably one of the most suspicious people out of everyone, and almost took the rope, yet same going for me, where I was arguably one of the most suspicious in D3, yet I was the only one of the two placed in the chopping block. The Mafia chose me to go in, knowing I looked suspicious, while when Zelda looked relatively similar in suspicion, they went without taking that chance, and avoided the trap I set up for today.

In relation to my idea of the "trap." I didn't trust Zelda at the time, nor do I really trust anyone. But I found Mutant more suspicious. So I figured it would be better to keep the vote to Mutant, while setting a trap up for the Mafia. I said I would speculate on Zelda, showcasing the suspicion I and others shared against Zelda. More likely than not, and as proven by myself as a candidate for today's nomination, with a Town Zelda being suspected, Zelda would have been placed in the nominations as someone the Mafia could have easily mislynched.

This idea is the key principle I took at the end of the day yesterday, and am taking into day. For this reason, Zelda is more regarded as a Scumlean to me.

Kira

This one is fairly obvious. Kira not only fits the style I would expect of a Mafia Member playing safe bets (i.e. scumcoasting, hiding in the shadows, not holding much opinions, etc.), but Kira also retaliated NoNK's suspicion by simply saying that NoNK is an obvious mafia, and stating they didn't want to explain why.

Kira is one of the people I more regard as a Scumlean.

ILikeTofuuJoe

As with previous points, I've set traps in my own posts. Similarly to NoNK, I used some semi-BS logic to get a reaction out of Fuu. I overexaggerated the connection between Fuu and Mutant, one, to prove my own point, and two, to see Fuu's reaction to it.

I don't know exactly what it is about Fuu's response to the post, but in general it just seemed more nervous than some of his other posts where he seems confidence. I couldn't point anything out about it specifically that points to why he seems nervous in the post, but the response was fishy. He focused on my point for a paragraph, then moved onto discrediting Taskmanager, and furthering his point to why Taskmanager would be a better candidate for my attention than himself.

Fuu also fits the model I would expect a Mafia for this game to hold, simply because though he's been more active than Zelda, Kira, or Slabdrill (These 4 being the ones I regard the most highly as fitting the model I've presented), he's not presented much of his own opinion, and the highest regard of his own opinion I can see, is his attempts to switch over the speculations to Taskmanager on his own accounts of why he finds Taskmanager scummy.

And on the note of Taskmanager v. Fuu, Fuu spent most of D3 trying to deter suspicions to Taskmanager. I really don't know what it was about it, but he was relentless about it. I've pointed it out before, but he tried to move the suspicions away to Taskmanager for the majority of D3, and then on D4 seemed to drop those suspicions. The best idea I can come up for it is that Fuu was trying to save himself from the rope by providing another alternative to himself, since D3 is the day I started presenting my suspicions against Fuu.

For all of those reasons, I feel that Fuu is more regarded as a Scumlean, and because of his general demeanor throughout the game fitting some of the same ideals I would expect someone of the Mafia Model I've set to hold.

Slabdrill

Slabdrill also fits the description I would expect a safe Mafia to be playing. Although, I don't know if I believe Slabdrill is as suspicious as someone like Kira, Zelda, or Fuu, simply because Slabdrill has been putting in what feels like to me more of an effort to help the game progress than Kira, or Fuu have. Zelda seems to have been helping relatively similar, but I believe Zelda is suspicious on different regards.

Though I find Slabdrill suspicious, I do not find him as suspicious as some of the others, which is why I'm only placing Slabdrill as a Scumleaning Null.

eleizibeth

First of all. In general, Eleizibeth's playstyle reminds me of how she played in Universe Mafia. E.g. scumcoasting, following the town majority, widely wooting posts instead of making posts, etc. Literally the only reason I don't consider Eleizibeth as Mafia for these reasons alone is because Eleizibeth has been chosen as one of the Nominees for today. And by the reasons I've listed in the part of my post about the Nomination choices, I don't believe Eleizibeth is Mafia.

I consider Eleizibeth a Townlean, because though Eleizibeth fits the description I would expect a mafia in this game to have, I would not expect Mafia playing it safe to place one of their own in the lynch pool.

Taskmanager

Despite everything, I don't 100% believe Taskmanager is Town. I do believe he is more town than others simply because of the Nomination, as well as my own suspicion against Fuu, and why that correlates into Taskmanager (See Fuu's attempts to switch the suspicion over to Taskmanager throughout D3). There are minor things I find suspicious about Taskmanager, like his need to discredit the previous days wagons and lynches, despite sometimes being in support of the actions in some way or another.

Though, I more regard him as a Townlean, because of his placement in the nomination.

Final Thoughts

In general, the people I trust the most will be Eleizibeth and Taskmanager, since I consider them the most townleaning for their nomination today.

The people I expect to be the scumteam this game would be Zelda, Kira, and Fuu. But, I've been proven wrong before (Previously believing it's Mutant, Crybaby/NoNK, and Fuu). So while I would optimistically believe this model as the true standard, it's not set in stone, and it's only what I believe.

I don't believe Slabdrill isn't mafia, but I simply don't find Slab as suspicious as any of these three, which is why I placed Slab out of the list. It is possible that Slab can be mafia, but I don't know completely.

▼Mutant's Flip

Though I did end up being wrong about Mutant's alignment, I did say that things could be brought about because of his alignment.

One of the few I mainly pointed out were NoNK, Taskmanager, Kira, and Fuu.

My thoughts on NoNK are pretty much null from it. My reads regarding this were mostly to come about regarding if Mutant flipped red, in which I would likely believe NoNK is mafia.

Though Mutant had suspicions on Taskmanager, I still hold the regard of Taskmanager being a townlean, because Mutant never presented any hardcore suspicions against Taskmanager, and mostly presented questions for Taskmanager. Despite that I won't rule out the possiblity.

Kira I find more suspicious. My reason for believing before that Kira would not be suspicious was simply because I felt that Mutant was trying to deter the suspicion away from his scum partner over onto a less suspecting candidate in order to save his partner from the suspicion he created. Mutant didn't flip red, which meant Mutant was being genuine in his suspicion against Kira, and my own suspicions line up with that, which is why I feel that his flip only further supports the suspicion against Kira.

Fuu was adamant on believing there was no connection between himself and Mutant. And at first, I thought it was because him and Mutant were a scum team, and he was trying to prevent the connection from being formed. But from Mutant flipping town, I feel that it's more likely Fuu doesn't want to create connections to anyone in general, regardless of their alignment. And I think that shows through his playstyle as well, because he's quiet on his opinions, and doesn't reveal a whole lot about his own opinions. Despite that, I feel that also further supports the current suspicion against Fuu, because as town he would have no reason to try to avoid connections, since connections only heavily matter as Mafia, to avoid suspicion of connections with other players. Although, I could be wrong on this point.

I'm sorry I don't have more to say on Mutant's flip, but these are the thoughts I have on the flip, and why it supports some of the ideas I hold at the moment. I don't claim that Mutant's flip generally holds my claims to be all true. But I'm explaining why I feel that the flip proves some of my points, and how that correlated to why I felt the lynch was the better option. If anyone differs on their opinions for these points, then I'm all ears for it.

I do want to say, though. I'm sorry about my efforts of switching the vote to Mutant. I did have high regards of my suspicions against Mutant, and despite having the argument for it, I did end up being wrong, so I am sorry for leading the charge in that aspect.

Though I'm confident the whole pool is town, I'm less confident on Taskmanager being town simply because of his demeanor throughout the game. Which is why I'll be placing my vote against him. Regardless, I don't want Taskmanager to be hammered, because I just want to use my vote to set my opinion in stone. I feel the day should go through the entire cycle, that way everyones opinions are in. Though I do agree with NoNK that everyone should start to form an opinion, rather than just let others decide their opinion for them.

Anyway, with that out of the way:

!vote Taskmanager

I have homework and such I need to go do now, so I'll be widely inactive for the rest of the day. I may be able to post before I head off to sleep, but I wouldn't count on it.

NoNK · 2019-11-13 05:15:43

Shadow in order to win this game town needs to lynch correctly on D5/D7

Who's your D5/D7?

ShadowsEdge · 2019-11-13 05:43:34

NoNK wrote:

Shadow in order to win this game town needs to lynch correctly on D5/D7
Who's your D5/D7?

Personally, I agree that Kira is the most scummy. Mainly because if I'm going off of previous games, even when Kira was town, and they were acting scummy, they made up for it by providing at least some level of insight on why they did what they did. This game they haven't said anything. Their only reason for not contributing anything at all is that they have nothing to say, but even this far into the game they haven't said anything of value. With the only main stance they've taken being sheeping my opinion, and claiming you as Mafia without explaining it.

So my D5 vote is Kira, because I find Kira more scummy than anyone else on the list.

My D7 vote is Fuu. Because though I find Zelda equally scummy, I based my suspicions of Zelda mostly on one argument, which, if proven false, holds no standings elsewhere to prove any other claims of why they are Mafia. Since the only other reason I've heard of why they're scummy is that they've been mostly apologetic for their inactivity, but the only message I can find that seems even remotely apologetic is when they said they would be inactive for their tests. Fuu, however, I based my suspicions off of more than just one suspicion or argument, which is why, even though I find them both equally suspicious, I'd be more confident in lynching Fuu on D7, rather than Zelda.

Then after that I'd most likely suggest Zelda for the hammer, unless evidence proves someone else is a better candidate to take the rope. Otherwise, i'd suggest that as the order. In my own opinion.

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2019-11-13 05:44:39

I've been thinking, should I vote Task or Shadow. I think I'll just go with the more suspicious.

!vote TaskManager

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2019-11-13 05:45:29

L - 1

ShadowsEdge · 2019-11-13 05:54:26

!unvote

Alright hold on. I dont want to leave this at L-1 because we have a whole friggin day to talk about this stuff.

rat

ILikeTofuuJoe · 2019-11-13 06:07:45

I'm going to post my reads on other people.

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TaskManager · 2019-11-13 09:39:29

@Shadow Do you not find it weird that top of scumlist players like kira and tofuu are jumping on my wagon? Once again, similarly to how it happened with Mutant's wagon, lmao

ZeldaXD · 2019-11-13 10:28:20

I find it scummy that so many people are basing their scum readings on inactivity. INACTIVTY IS NOT A SCUM TELL. It's probably the opposite.

TaskManager · 2019-11-13 10:39:36

It can be either a scum or a town tell but that depends for each person

rat

Norwee · 2019-11-13 10:40:58

The day ends in 23 hours or until a majority has been reached.
The majority for this day is [5]

[3] Taskmanager: Kira, eleizibeth, ILikeTofuuJoe
[2] eleizibeth: Taskmanager, NoNK
[0] ShadowsEdge:
Not voting: ZeldaXD, ShadowsEdge, Slabdrill

ShadowsEdge · 2019-11-13 15:24:08

TaskManager wrote:

@Shadow Do you not find it weird that top of scumlist players like kira and tofuu are jumping on my wagon? Once again, similarly to how it happened with Mutant's wagon, lmao

I do find it weird. But regardless, we are required to vote either between myself, you, and Eleizibeth today. Like I said before, I believe everyone in the nominations today is town, because it makes the most sense for the Mafia in every regard to make it an all town Nomination in order to secure their win.

ZeldaXD wrote:

I find it scummy that so many people are basing their scum readings on inactivity. INACTIVTY IS NOT A SCUM TELL. It's probably the opposite.

Inactivity can be used as a scum tell when it's a strategy. I've explained why I think the mafia are playing safe bets, through my post. If the Mafia is playing safe, inactivity is a way for them to hide without having to put out much of an opinion. That shows through playstyles.

I think, thus far, people have used inactivity as a partial to their tell, because in the current stage we're in, there's absolutely no reason to be inactive. We have two chances left, but more than likely only one chance, because today's nominations are more likely only town nominees.

NoNK · 2019-11-13 15:33:39

ZeldaXD wrote:

I find it scummy that so many people are basing their scum readings on inactivity. INACTIVTY IS NOT A SCUM TELL. It's probably the opposite.

Except I'm not. Slab and Kira are scummy because they're wagon hopping. Slab specifically is scummy because he comes of as really self aware.
And you, are scummy because you are defending the scummiest people in the game and providing absolutely no alternative. The funnier thing is you're not even defending them. You're just making this cringy vague statement because you don't want to actually commit to defending them because I don't think you have any plausible alternative narrative that you're ready to push.

Who do you think is mafia, Zelda?

You just said inactivity is towny, so okay, let's say kira and slab are town. You also need to call yourself town. Who's the scumteam, then? If you're town, you're thinking about who the mafia has to be, not just putting out vague statements like "generally mafia/town tend to do X", that's literally all I did as scum but it's not going to work because you're gonna get dunked on by the master of vague statements himself.

NoNK · 2019-11-13 15:35:10

I feel like my D5/D7 is Kira + Zelda

Iirc slabdrill voted on zelda with the intent to kill but I might need to review that to see if it really looked like a bus vote -- zelda has kind of been flailing all game and feels like he's been playing the game without a reads list in his head

NoNK · 2019-11-13 15:37:19

The reason I want to lynch ele is that everyone I'm scumreading minus slab on account of inactivity (Zelda, Kira, joe) wants to lynch Taskmanager today and is defending ele to some degree, meaning I'm pretty sure taskmanager is spewed town just on that alone, and I would rather lynch ele even in a TvTvT world -- while I'm confident they're all town, just due to all the defense she's gotten, ele has the highest scum equity based on all the mafia defending her, plus I think taskmanager is a more valuable player to have in LYLO

ShadowsEdge · 2019-11-13 15:48:27

I don't know in what world Inactivity is considered Townie. Personally I kind of feel like Zelda is doing it as a subtle way of trying to defend themself without outright saying that as a defense.

And I'll agree with you on that there, NoNK, I do agree that Taskmanager has been getting most of the bad rap for this time around. I haven't heard all that much about Elei, and while I do believe that both of them are town because of being in the nomination alone, I'll follow you on Elei.

!vote Eleizibeth

ShadowsEdge · 2019-11-13 15:49:05

Votes are tied now. I'm doing this on purpose because I find both non-voters suspicious. I want them to vote, and I want them to put their opinion in. This only forces them to do that.

Minimania

NoNK · 2019-11-13 15:59:50

The wagon on ele is all town and the wagon on task 100% has mafia on it so lol if you believe this pool is TvTvT and you're still voting taskmanager.

Also Kira attacking me is a throwback to purgatorEE when mutantdevle solved the game and mafia's last hope was to scramble together some last ditch effort to discredit him and try to get him lynched

ZeldaXD · 2019-11-13 18:24:05

"The reason I want to lynch ele is that everyone I'm scumreading minus slab on account of inactivity (Zelda, Kira, joe) wants to lynch Taskmanager today and is defending ele to some degree"
I have not stated I want to lynch Task today nor have I defended ele.
I'm getting c9++ vibes from NoNK.

NoNK · 2019-11-13 18:48:41

Who do you think is mafia, Zelda?

NoNK · 2019-11-13 18:53:16

I literally just addressed a post to you, which, if you were town, would have been a good opportunity to show your thought process and get your opinion heard. Instead you completely ignored it and made a weak jab to try to discredit me.

If you are town, you are concerned about finding multiple mafia members because we need correct lynches on D5 and D7 to win the game. If you are town, you are concerned about the alignments of kira and slabdrill and you need to evaluate them.
If you are mafia, you need only one more mislynch to win so you just need to push one person (me).

If anyone has any doubts about zelda being mafia please voice them now, because as it stands I will be voting for zelda tomorrow.

NoNK · 2019-11-13 18:58:33

The reason it's so absolutely urgent that I be discredited ASAP is that once one of the people I'm calling out flips mafia, their whole scheme starts to go down in flames.

If I get lynched at F7, it's a mafia win.
If I get lynched at F6, I flip town and suddenly I become confirmed town, my reads are validated and mafia literally cannot win the game.

And I am perfectly fine with being lynched at F6.

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Crybaby/NoNK

ZeldaXD

Kira

ILikeTofuuJoe

Slabdrill

eleizibeth

Taskmanager

Final Thoughts

!vote Taskmanager

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!vote TaskManager

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L - 1

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!unvote

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Kira

Slabdrill

ZeldaXD

TaskManager

NoNK

ShadowsEdge

Elezibeth

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Who do you think is mafia, Zelda?

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Who do you think is mafia, Zelda?

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