Mafia 27: PurgatorEE [GAME OVER!]

Processor · 2019-08-05 19:45:33

peace wrote:

EDIT: 1 wyhy are you proc an dmutant teaming up i dont like hits self voting in heaven can be very scummy move so you and 2b are a bit scummy wiht doing this im not sure who i trust enough to send to heaven whichis town other then myself an dmaby crybaby but again he coudl alos be an jawap fool

i will do whatever mutantdevle tells me to do

if mutant says I shouldn't vote for myself, I will unvote

Processor · 2019-08-05 19:50:09

Kira wrote:

Processor. Give me your reason for suspecting me.

Kira, you're town. You've pretty much proven that

Processor · 2019-08-05 19:50:32

My biggest mafia suspect is Mr. TNG at the moment...

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ZeldaXD · 2019-08-05 20:03:26

Processor wrote:

My biggest mafia suspect is Mr. TNG at the moment...

Why?

Processor · 2019-08-05 20:06:21

What do you guys make of this?

mrjawapa wrote:

Processor wrote:
Send one of Kirby, Processor or Mutantdevle to heaven.
Ehhhh I agree that kirby is town, but I don't think we should send him to heaven. He's been absent, and hasn't contributed to anything. I'd much rather have someone in heaven that's going to help us on judgement day. I doubt that kirby has paid much attention, therefore not being much help to the town. For now, I'd keep him here. (I would have voted kirby due to inactivity, but maxi's post brought up a good point: https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt … 9#p755609)
I'd agree with sending mutant, but his detective skills are super useful here. It would probably be a good idea to vote him to heaven at some point, so he can help the town on judgement day.

For me, there's only one other "confirmed" townie, Crybaby. There's a couple things they've done that wouldn't make sense if they were mafia.

I would vote either mutant or crybaby. I prefer to vote for crybaby, so mutant can continue to help us, but think mutant should go at some point.
Processor, you have hardly contributed. You've given a few "tells" with zero explanation for them.

mrjawapa wrote:

I may not be around for a while, so I'm going to leave my vote now. If something ground-breaking comes up, don't be dumb. Remove your votes so we can talk about it.
!crybaby

mrjawapa wrote:

What sense does it make to send taskmanager when you (crybaby), and mutant have been labeled as town by everyone?
I agree with processor that the town shouldn't take risks on heaven phases.
I'd be okay sending either of you. Since you're already accumulating votes:
!vote crybaby

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

So what i’m gathering so far is that Processor definitely is mafia trash.
Kirby doesn’t seem like he’d be very useful in heaven, and how do we know for a fact that he is townie?
Crybaby seems much more useful to have in the judgement day vote. I’d rather have an active player that knows his **** than the inactive player that chimes in and hastily reads the thread after like 2 days.
/vote Crybaby

TaskManager wrote:

Naa it's fun down there
I agree that Mutant and Crybaby are our only trustworthy candidates and since Crybaby doesn't mind going there, I'll join the vote
It kinda sucks though, they're both active, they're useful down here too but we have no better candidates
!vote Crybaby

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Kira · 2019-08-05 20:46:29

I've suspected 2B since day one and I don't really see anyone else besides Zelda being Mafia honestly.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-05 21:13:11

Reading the process of the hell vote was certainly suspenseful.

My personal preference for today's vote is Kira. I'm not opposed to either myself or Processor going though.

I really don't like 2B55's self vote.

Processor, can I just ask, why are you following me on everything?

mutantdevle · 2019-08-05 21:14:37

Processor wrote:

What do you guys make of this?

I'm certainly not comfortable sending Crybaby anywhen within the next 2 heaven phases.

Did Norweiganboy and TaskManager have similar attitudes?

mutantdevle · 2019-08-05 21:22:59

mrjawapa wrote:

Trytu - kinda bandwagon hoping, but I'm considering him new. He said mutant seems helpful, which I agree with. I'll consider them a townie for now. If he keeps switching votes around, might be worth looking at.
Kirby - makes me ****. I would join a kirby vote due to his inactivity.
Processor - I'd like an explanation for his zoey vote. Have a feeling it's because of her vote on kirby. I will consider them a townie because of this.
Zoey2070 - makes me ****. Her vote for kirby is really suspicious imo. I would not oppose a zoey vote. If she is voted into hell, we need to look at the others that voted for kirby.
mutantdevle - as the devil, he deserves to be voted into hell. I dont really have the patience to read everything on mobile, but I dont recall any of his posts that made me go "wow he's def town/mafia". BUT, more meta, I think he's "helpful". I think it's better to keep him alive, and there be a chance of him being an enemy, than to kill one of the better mafia players.
Kira - "wow people might lynch me based on the things I say"
Crybaby - pulling his vote back from kirby is a townie thing to do, especially after zoey threw a random **** vote in, making it L-1.
More to come on other people, after I reread everything
-mobile, with 3 hrs of sleep

This post is interesting. He doesn't mention either norweiganboy or TaskManager despite the fact that they had noticeable contributions by this point.

Also:

mrjawapa wrote:

Town:
Mutant - Wants to stay in purgatory to help sift out the mafia. Plus, he called zoey out for the careless vote for Kirby, ultimately getting her lynched.
Crybaby - Kirby was at L-1, and he pulled his vote back to prevent a hammer. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote and let Kirby be hammered.
Kirby - Targeted by the mafia. The idea that the mafia was going to to kill one of their own teammates doesn't make sense here.

Town-leaning:
Processor - I keep changing what I think of him. He doesn't explain his votes or his reads, which is kind of scummy. But, there are a few posts that are very town-like.
Zelda - I had him in neutral-to-mafia-leaning but there are two posts that make me think he's town. One says we should only send confirmed townies to heaven. The other says crybaby is town, but we shouldn't send him to heaven yet, because we could use his help.
Norboy - I keep changing my thoughts on him too. Ultimately, I went with this because his actions seem town-oriented. He cast a vote for processor after processor randomly voted for mutant (thought processor was trying to get rid of a threat early). Trytu tried raising suspicion on Norboy twice. Once because norboy was "alone in his vote" and another because of the group PM (norboy was not in the group with everyone else, and trytu was meta-gaming). If I didn't believe trytu was mafia, I would probably put norboy in neutral. But it looks like mafia is targeting him.

Neutral/Unsure//Mixed feelings:
Sxrealism - When I read through the entire thread, I didn't take a single note for them. They haven't done anything to make me think one way or the other.
2B - Hasn't done much. He voted for Kirby due to inactivity. At one point said guess votes should be avoided because they could kill a townie.
Caleb - I thought his vote for mutant early on was very suspicious. It looked like an attempt to start a bandwagon early, and eliminate a major threat for the mafia. But then I thought the vote was a joke... hard to tell.
Taskmanager - Hasn't done much. Voted for kirby due to inactivity. Meta'd the group PM as grounds for voting Kirby. Later decided that sending inactive people to heaven is a bad idea, because we need useful people there if judgement day comes.
Kira - complained about how mafia games work, and hasn't been much help, but appears to be trying in heaven phase 1.

Mafia-leaning:
Trytu - Vote hoping, and a couple instances of, what I'm going to call, bait-n-switch.
Onjit - Hasn't done anything for me to say one way or the other. He has only voted for inactive people, and didn't vote for Zoey. I wouldn't question the inactive player votes, but not voting for zoey makes it suspicious.

I think it's entirely plausible that jawapa put all of his buddies in the middle two sections.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-05 21:43:41

I've been re-reading and now I trust crybaby. There's just too many things they wouldn't do if they were scum. There's the unvote on Kirby, not wanting to go to heaven, and I don't think they'd think to use invisible text in a post as a method of seeming townie if they were mafia.

Processor · 2019-08-05 22:17:21

mutantdevle wrote:

I've been re-reading and now I trust crybaby. There's just too many things they wouldn't do if they were scum. There's the unvote on Kirby, not wanting to go to heaven, and I don't think they'd think to use invisible text in a post as a method of seeming townie if they were mafia.

The unvote on Kirby is townish. But voting on Zoey is also a townish thing to do and yet, three mafia members did it.

We were deciding between Crybaby and mrjawapa and crybaby didn't want to go. We were deciding between Crybaby and NorwegianboyEE and Crybaby didn't want to go. Not that towny if you ask me.

The invisible text thing is clever, but why would mafia not be so clever?

Crybaby was being pushed towards heaven by every other mafia member, that's so weird...

I don't support a Crybaby vote.

I follow you because I think it's in towns best interest if I follow you.

mutantdevle · 2019-08-05 23:15:28

So I just went through the entire thread and made a note of how the 4 flipped mafia members have interacted with everyone. I only recorded their interactions with living players and their fellow flipped buddies. Note, this is not their reads, this is their interactions. That means whenever they mention/quote/respond to someone. If their interaction showed hostility or was very obviously negative towards a player I marked them as 'against'. If their interaction was supportive of a player I marked it as 'for'. And if the interaction was passive it was marked at neutral. I also used the '-' symbol to mark when their style of interaction has changed by the end of the phase.

Here are my results:

I want y'all to look at that and make your own conclusions from it. Properly study it. Now, I want you to write your conclusions in a post. Once you have done that, submit your post, come back to this one, and open this spoiler:

▼My conclusions from it. Please submit your own post with your own conclusions before opening this spoiler

Okay, so the first thing I noticed is that, aside from Zoey, they never really bussed each other. With the exception of Norweiganboy in hell 2 towards TaskManager, all of their interactions with each other were neutral or positive - and even then the negative interaction was very minor. I suspect that from such a large quantity of them bussing Zoey like that they didn't feel in a position to make each other look bad. My assumption for the rest of my conclusions is that they also did not have much of an interest in criticising their other buddy.

Both TaskManager and Norweiganboy were critical of Kira throughout the game. This is further evidence Kira is town. That was something I think we all agreed on anyway through.

The next thing I find interesting is how each of them interacted with 2B55. Jawapa barely interacted with him and just labelled him as neutral in reads lists. Norweiganboy was also neutral in his approach to 2B55 but his neutrality was more direct. He regularly asked 2B55 questions which someone pointed out earlier. On the other hand, TaskManager was somewhat critical of 2B55 as, although he was never directly calling 2B55 scum, his attitude towards him was very passive-aggressive. To me, this looks like norweiganboy is intentionally trying to draw associations with 2B55 (in the hopes he'd be suspicious after norweiganboy leaves the game) whilst TaskManager was trying to make 2B55 look bad without having to commit to calling him scum. So for me, this combination of interactions is evidence that 2B55 is town.

Now, there are 3 players that they all barely mention. First of all, there's Caleb. Caleb was very absent throughout the game so that's fair enough. Next, there's Sxerreal. Also absent. Though I would point out that Norweiganboy had issues with specifically Scerreal at one point so that's slight evidence that that slot is town. And finally, they all rarely mention Zelda. Huh, why wouldn't they be talking to/about Zelda? That leads me to my next point.

Throughout the entire game, all 3 scum were consistently supportive and positive towards Crybaby and Zelda. I must admit, this puts doubt back in my mind about Crybaby. Every time the mafia expressed the difference between sending me to heaven and Crybaby to heave, they pretty much always said Crybaby should be in heaven. However, the mafia has more of a reason to show support towards Crybaby. Crybaby was town read by almost everyone. On the other hand, Zelda is more of an oddball. I find it strange that the mafia would A) Mention Zelda as infrequently as 2 people not even speaking and B) When they do mention Zelda, almost exclusively be supportive of them. As I was re-reading everything Zelda stuck out to me most due to exactly what the mafia were saying about them:

▼What, a spoiler inside a spoiler? :O

NoNK · 2019-08-05 23:24:47

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to send a smiley to HEAVEN.

Processor [1]: Processor

2B [1]: 2B

Not voting [7]: Everyone else

This phase will enter overtime in 49 hours.

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According to all known scientific theories and math, the world will end on December 21st, 2102.

Processor · 2019-08-06 00:59:06

Mutant's idea is great

it allows us townies to cross check our findings and make sure we aren't biased by one or another

▼Do what mutant told you to do before opening this post

2b55b5g · 2019-08-06 07:47:16

▼My Conclusions

I noticed that almost all of the interactions with Crybaby are ‘for’, and there’s only one Against, mafia seems like they really support Crybaby. And 3 of the mafia even voted to send Crybaby to heaven. This makes Crybaby very suspicious. I don’t know if mafia intended to do this to make Crybaby suspicious, it’s also a possibility.

NorwegianboyEE and TaskManager’s interactions in with Zelda in Hell 3 and Heaven 3 are all ‘for’, and for Jawapa, his interaction with Zelda in Heaven 1 turned from Neutral to For. This means that mafia also supports Zelda. I think Zelda was a bit inactive so he didn’t appear in some of the phases, but anyway, same as Crybaby, Zelda is also suspicious because mafia keeps supporting him, but it also might be the mafia framing Zelda.

Most mafia’s interaction with Mutantdevle is ‘for’, except in Hell 4, TaskManager turned from Neutral to Against, which I think is the cause of his downfall. One thing I want to say is that NorwegianboyEE’s interactions with Mutantdevle is all ‘for’, yet Kira only suspects NorwegianboyEE for backing me up. Why doesn’t he suspect NorwegianboyEE for backing up Mutantdevle?

Mafia was always against or neutral to Kira, maybe it’s because Kira suspected most of the mafia correctly, such as NorwegianboyEE. He also wanted to send Crybaby to heaven instead of Jawapa. Another reason might be that they want to make distance between Kira and mafia so Kira doesn’t seem suspicious. But I think it’s most likely to be the former now.

Mafia’s interaction with Processor with unstable. From Against to For and to Neutral. I don’t know what’s with this unstable interaction, I have no idea.

Not much with Sxrrealism. Mostly Against, and they were from NorwegianboyEE. But I think it’s weird, I think normally people should criticize about Sxrrealism’s **** considering he contributed nothing at all, but only NorwegianboyEE was against Sxrrealism out of the 4 mafia. Later, Slab replaced him, then TaskManager’s interactions with Slabdrill went from Neutral to For. This probably means that TaskManager supports Slabdrill, but I think it doesn’t mean that Slabdrill is mafia because the other mafia didn’t have much interaction with Slabdrill.

Caleb and Peace is always Neutral, except in Heaven 3 where NorwegianboyEE turned from Neutral to Against, probably because of Peace’s idea of sending Processor to heaven instead of NorwegianboyEE himself. Nothing suspicious about Peace.

Mafia’s interaction with me is mostly Neutral, but with some Against. I think the mafia is trying to make me look bad for several times, especially TaskManager. In the few posts before TaskManager is lynched, he seem like he was protecting weaker players (Peace, 2B, etc), but now I think the intention of it is still, to make them look bad.

I think Kira is no longer suspicious for me, now I want to pay attention to Crybaby and ZeldaXD.

!unvote

mutantdevle

2b55b5g · 2019-08-06 07:55:22

Ok I read Processor’s conclusion and wdym I didn’t attack Zelda? I did.

I didn’t attack Jawapa and Norboy, that’s true, but they were town read for almost everyone, including you. Did you even attack them?

peace · 2019-08-06 07:59:23

mutantdevle wrote:

ZeldaXD wrote:
I'm ok with being sent to heaven, and I'd also be ok with sending Norboy or Task.

uhhh doesnt this post look scummy?

2b55b5g · 2019-08-06 09:01:19

peace wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
ZeldaXD wrote:
I'm ok with being sent to heaven, and I'd also be ok with sending Norboy or Task.
uhhh doesnt this post look scummy?

That’s what Mutant meant

And why did you open the spoiler before writing a conclusion

mutantdevle

mutantdevle · 2019-08-06 13:47:01

Processor wrote:

Mutant's idea is great
it allows us townies to cross check our findings and make sure we aren't biased by one or another
▼Do what mutant told you to do before opening this post
Let's see.
3 mafia voting on Zoey2070 was no accident.
It was coordinated.
It's therefore very possible that the 4th mafia member was also involved in the lynching.
Suspect Crybaby, 2B, Kira
It's also possible that the 4th mafia member was too disorganized to participate:
Suspect peace, Slabdrill, ZeldaXD
Now, we should look into every user and see if the suspicion holds any water.
Crybaby: Mafia members picked her OVER town-looking mafia-member alternatives...
2B: My biggest suspect, get's an extra section for himself
Kira: If you discredit his Zoey vote, he's very pushy to go to heaven. I don't like that...
peace / Slabdrill: I haven't had time to look into them, someone else do that for me pls.
ZeldaXD: fairly helpful in heaven, unhelpful in hell phase. I think that's quite sus.
Then, there's this
ZeldaXD wrote:
TaskManager wrote:
I'm going to agree with Slab here
IMO Norboy and Zelda are the finest candidates for heaven
also, taskmanager defended me a lot, which now makes me look like scum
2B is super sus
Here's why:
All mafia members have been pretty nice to 2B.
The way task treated 2B feels oddly similar to how Task treated other mafia members.
Other mafia members were fairly neutral among each other and did the same with 2B as well.
It just feels so odd...
Then you isolate 2B and things become even more interesting
https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt … q0C6RCgC1c
He attacks players from time to time, but the only people he never attacks are Zelda, Jawapa, NorwegianboyEE...
He doesn't explain his vote on Zoey2070...
He switches his votes often... jumping on bandwagons...

I assume the contents of your spoiler here were not based on the image I posted?

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NoNK · 2019-08-06 16:54:09

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to send a smiley to HEAVEN.

Processor [1]: processor

Not voting [7]: Everyone else

This phase will enter overtime in 32 hours.

Mod notes:

It is a good day for me to say that I am not a threat to society.

Kira · 2019-08-06 17:02:36

!vote Kira

Let's go along with Mutant's plan.

Mutant wrote:

"Heaven 4: Kira
Hell 5: Zelda
Heaven 5: Processor
Hell 6: Crybaby
Heaven 6: mutantdevle
Hell 7: peace
Judgement day vote: send Slabdrill to hell with the assumption that 2B55 is town."

peace · 2019-08-06 17:08:06

Kira wrote:

!vote Kira
Let's go along with Mutant's plan.
Mutant wrote:
"Heaven 4: Kira
Hell 5: Zelda
Heaven 5: Processor
Hell 6: Crybaby
Heaven 6: mutantdevle
Hell 7: peace
Judgement day vote: send Slabdrill to hell with the assumption that 2B55 is town."

thsi sis wrong youre sending 3 townies to hell then? and why crybaby to hell?

peace · 2019-08-06 17:08:49

umutant relly looks sumyy with thta poost

peace · 2019-08-06 17:09:13

hell5 mutantdevle is goign to hell

peace · 2019-08-06 17:23:50

i mean why doe smutant want an judgement day if he knows slab is maf why not vote slab out in hell 5

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It was coordinated.

2B is super sus

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It was coordinated.

2B is super sus

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