Mafia 24 [Crybaby wins]

Slabdrill · 2019-05-12 20:20:30

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

21: Can you be sure that you genuinely think claiming cop like I did is scummy? Did you start with the assumption that I was a cop and then conclude that I was mafia or did you already think I was mafia and hence think of a reason why mafia would claim cop?
A: It doesn’t really matter. What’s important is to stop the mafia, and the way i see it. This “cop reveal” could be an attempt by the mafia to put their mafia cop on a pedestal. The way you demand absolute trust from the town without actually having any information other than Kirby being townie is ludicrous. I’m starting to wonder if you’re just a bad townie cop which haven’t really thought this through. You know the serial killer is going to target you now right? Why would you be so stupid? You’re obviously going to die or kill the doctor in the next night. And you haven’t even found the serial killer yet.

The SK won't be able to kill him if the doctor protects.

mutantdevle wrote:

It makes no sense at all for a mafia cop to fake claim cop.
As a cop, I can investigate people and learn their alignment. The seer investigates people and learns their role. The mafia role cop investigates people and learns their role. Seer and mafia role cop are exactly the same. By your own argument, it would make more sense for me to claim seer.

Quote from mafia cop rolecard: "Possible results: Role/Vanila/Nothing"

Slabdrill · 2019-05-12 20:21:44

...right i cant edit

about that second point, it says "You will be told of that player have a power role." where "of" is a misspelling of "if". Also the seer lacks the "Possible results" line. So I think the role cop only sees IF someone has a power role and not what that power role is.

mutantdevle · 2019-05-12 20:30:27

Slabdrill wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
It makes no sense at all for a mafia cop to fake claim cop.
As a cop, I can investigate people and learn their alignment. The seer investigates people and learns their role. The mafia role cop investigates people and learns their role. Seer and mafia role cop are exactly the same. By your own argument, it would make more sense for me to claim seer.
Quote from mafia cop rolecard: "Possible results: Role/Vanila/Nothing"

Oops, my mistake. Sorry for criticising you on that front Norweiganboy

But now I dont know whether I should be town reading him... :/

Okay, I've thought about it, and my view on Norweiganboy being town is no longer locked. However, his initial response to my questions satisfied me enough to want my vote elsewhere for now. Unless his next response is terrible that is.

Zumza · 2019-05-12 20:39:19

I wonder if TaskManager was murdered by the SK. And mafia tried killing the SK.
Therefore, imo Mutant should check Diff tonight. And everyone should avoid visiting Luka.

mrjawapa · 2019-05-12 20:40:46

I think everyone should target Kirby, and we'll watch the town implode.

Kirby

RailMat · 2019-05-12 20:51:09

Current votecount:
[1] Luka504: ILikeTofuuJoe
[1] NorwegianboyEE: Kirby
[1] ILikeTofuuJoe: Zumza
[4] mutantdevle: NorwegianboyEE, peace, Onjit, Luka504

7 votes needed for majority.

A bit more than 16 hours left.

Zumza, Kirby, Slabdrill, 2b55b5g

Zumza · 2019-05-12 21:00:58

I think we have a scum-o-meter from everyone but from mrjawapa, at this point, or am I mistaking?

Zumza · 2019-05-12 21:09:31

The doctor must protect mutant, there are no excuses. If mutant is found dead, then peace lied, there is no doctor, and peace is mafia. IMO

peace · 2019-05-12 21:23:51

cop can see aligment mafia town or sk yet serr can see role aswell

mutant how can you be sure role cop checke dyou and not one of the other 12 people?

Zumza · 2019-05-12 21:38:40

Peace, sorry, but, do you understand what is being said here, or do you read as you write?

mrjawapa · 2019-05-12 21:39:15

Zumza wrote:

I think we have a scum-o-meter from everyone but from mrjawapa, at this point, or am I mistaking?

Give me a few hours. I'll read over everything and give you my opinion.

Zumza

mutantdevle · 2019-05-12 22:42:29

peace wrote:

mutant how can you be sure role cop checke dyou and not one of the other 12 people?

I tend to get targetted by those kinds of things on EE mafia.

We're nearing the end of the day so we need to get a lynch going soon.

I'm leaning more towards Onjit, Luka or toffuJoe but if anyone has a case to make on anyone then now is the time to do it.

Norwee · 2019-05-12 22:48:01

More endless replies to Mutantdevle: [PART 1]

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mutantdevle wrote:

Before I address the points you've made, I would like to say that my opinion of you has drastically improved. Whilst I still have many criticisms of you, the very fact that instead of justifying your reads list you have admitted mistake makes me think you are town.

Ok. Thanks i guess. But it’s not like i’m going to start trusting you because you think i’m town.

mutantdevle wrote:

So just to clarify, the only criticisms that you have of diff is that I like a lot of what he posts? Do you think that as mafia I'd so obviously associate myself with a scum buddy? How do you feel about the fact that, given the choice between tofuuJoe and GreenyMix (the slot that diff replaced), I chose GreenyMix as my preference for the day 1 lynch? I'm almost certain GreenyMix would have been lynched day 1 had diff not replaced them and their lynch was going through with basically no resistance (part of the reason why I town read the slot).
Who do you currently think my mafia buddies are?

Mafia buddies: Right now i’m suspecting Kirby mainly. I’m also worried about certain suspicions you and Different55 are having on Luka504.
Also i don’t think inactivity is a foolproof defense. Mafia members can be afk too.

mutantdevle wrote:

I don't consider myself overly confrontational. I picked apart your reads list and voted you to add pressure. I then gave you an opportunity to reply. I never mentioned you in any negative way from then on nor did I ever try and convince anyone else to vote for you. My vote was a request for information from you. All you had to do was reply to either appease or confirm my suspicions of you. Failing to respond to that and instead attacking me rather than defending yourself was never going to appease that. You just looked like a mafia member who knew they couldn't justify any of what they said so chose to lash out instead.

This is going to sound like a real **** excuse. But the reason i didn’t answer your huge questionnaire immediately is that i have ADHD, and this means commitment issues. I thought about answers to your questions in my head all day, but the thought of spending half an hour to sit down and manage all of my thoughts into textual form made me nauseous. So i didn’t reply at all because of the scale of your questions, then you started adding ON and ON with even more questions hidden in long analysis essays that would require from me: long-winded answers. So i eventually said **** it and just plainly asked you to simplify the questions for me and put them in a plain and easy to read form. That’s how i managed to sit down and reply to that huge mess of questions. Let me add that i don’t have problems with long texts as long as i am entertained by what i am reading, but yeah. Putting it bluntly, some of your questions were a real bore to analyze and answer. I also can get too obsessive sometimes, or impulsive, i’ll admit it. But enough about the personal problems. I just want you to know where my behaviour comes from. So if my reply takes forever, consider whether you are making it easy for the person you are trying to extract information from.

mutantdevle wrote:

As for the picture, it was a joke. You seem to think that it was some great offence that I meant towards you. No. It was a joke. Because I thought that the idea of thinking I'm mafia for my claim was ludicrous. I'm honestly surprised I've received so many votes for it.

It honestly was a hateful thing to do. And the fact that you are surprised about people voting on you for it is making me even more surprised. I know you simply tried to be funny, but certain things that people believe is just a “joke” can seriously damage other people. You made yourself look like a bully. Just look at Anatoly, i’ve said some things to Anatoly which i intended no harm with, yet he would take it very seriously. But i can usually solve it through pm’s where i talk seriously to him and we make up our differences. One often doesn’t understand how damaging some things can be until experiencing it themselves. I don’t really mind though, i’m guilty of this myself many times. And this game can get very heated and stressful. That is a lesson i have definitely learned.

mutantdevle wrote:

If you think that the way to identify mafia is to simply look at those who are being more 'verbally violent' or hostile, then I don't have any faith in any reads you can make. Being forward and aggressive is not a scum trait. My initial vote and post on you needed to be hostile. When you're hostile towards people it panics them. It means they're more likely to make mistakes. More likely to slip up and give greater indication that they are mafia. If you were to question someone in a more relaxed way and made it clear to them that their answers have no consequences, then you're hardly going to get much out of them. (I mean, a softer approach is sometimes better but I didn't view it as so in this case). From there, all my aggression towards you has been entirely motivated by your lack of desire to answer me or acknowledge my points against you. I find it ironic that you say I've turned hostile when confronted with criticism because that's exactly what you've done towards me ever since I voted you.

Yeah, i think i’ve already explained a bit of this. Certainly i have been... and is still... hostile towards you. But some of your responses have gone a little bit too far in my opinion.

mutantdevle wrote:

If I say A B and C are town and you say that X Y Z is town then why does it automatically make me scum just because I have a different opinion to you?

Oh my god… These are the kinds of questions that give me a headache…
Ok so, it’s… just natural i suppose? I have a suspicion list… You have a lynching list. I know i’m town, we completely disagree on who we should lynch… Hey, maybe this guy is the mafia?

mutantdevle wrote:

To be honest, I think you know really that I'm not mafia. But that you have it in your head that I am and you don't have anything else to go on if I'm not. I don't understand why you'd vote for Slabdrill when your whole theory on who the scum team are solely relied on me being scum.

Um… No? I don’t “really know” that you are not the mafia. And my goal isn’t to lynch 1 single mafia. It’s to identify them all. What’s better? To lynch 1 mafia, then get night killed with no more information. Or logically deduce who the other mafia are, from the one identified mafia?

mutantdevle wrote:

I claimed because I don't believe I would live until day 3 unless I was protected by the doctor. Claiming is the only way to guarantee that I get that protection.
I claimed at the moment I did because that was the moment I remembered that the mafia has a role cop. Since they didn't decide to attack me or role block me night 1, I'm almost certain the investigated me.
As a result, I believe that the mafia already knew I was the cop. I also think that they would have picked up on my hints that Kirby is town. As a result, by not claiming, the only people I'm keeping in the dark are the rest of the town and the SK. Giving the town information that the mafia has is worth also giving the information to the SK especially when in the process it increases my chance of survival.

I actually misunderstood one thing. I thought that if the serial killer were to kill someone the doctor “protected”. It would kill the doctor, but that is what happens to the role blocker. Not the doctor. This leads me to another point of concern however, what’s going to stop the mafia roleblocker from simply blocking your investigation on every single turn? Are you sure you really thought this move through? Because i’m having increasing doubts the more i think about it. What’s going to happen, assuming your role is real. Is that the doctor will protect you, and the mafia roleblocker will block you on every turn. How is this supposed to help the town? You’ve basically made yourself useless, instead of taking a minor gamble of staying hidden and investigating as much as possible. You’ve made yourself aware to the mafia roleblocker presence and completely uselessified yourself. Meanwhile the mafia is going to kill like never before, not having to worry about you even exposing them. Sooner or later they’ll kill the doctor and you’ll be easy prey. Was this your great plan? Like i’ve said before, either you are a complete failure of a cop. Or you are fake claiming.

mutantdevle wrote:

I want you to point out to me where I have A) Done something to the effect of "ha, gotcha!" and B) Tried to lynch someone over a spelling mistake. Because neither of those things happened. I think you seriously need to re-read my posts because I don't understand how you can be misrepresenting me this much.

Many of the things i say have little literal meaning. Hummerz5 said to me once: “Your flair for the dramatic makes your points more difficult to gauge, and harder to take seriously.” These are in effect my attempts at spicing up the mundane truths into something which is a whole lot more exciting to say than just (Insert female bored clerk worker voice) “So i think you are acting a little bit suspiciously towards people who haven’t really done anything to warrant such an excessive scrutiny. Thaaanks”

Sorry, but i can’t take anymore. I’m starting to hate you now for making me put up with this. I’ll just post this half-reply and do the rest later if i feel like it.

mutantdevle

mutantdevle · 2019-05-12 22:52:04

Confirmed Town:
- Kirby

I'm fairly confident are town:
-Zumza
-Different55

Kinda liking:
- mrjawapa
- NorwegianboyEE
- Slabdrill

I'm suspicious of but would prefer to investigate further before seriously considering:
- peace
- 2B55B5G TNG

People I'd vote for without much convincing:
- Onjit
- Luka504
- ILikeTofuuJoe

mrjawapa · 2019-05-12 22:57:59

Okay, here's my scum list:

NorwegianboyEE
Different55
Zumza
peace
2B55B5G TNG
Onjit
mutantdevle
Kirby
Luka504
Slabdrill
ILikeTofuuJoe

Green is town
Red is scum
No color am unsure

Omfg

Making posts on mobile is damn near impossible.

RailMat

mrjawapa · 2019-05-12 23:00:00

I would love to provide reasoning but im really busy

Dont kill me today, and ill tell you why i think onjit and kirby are 100% definitely without a doubt mafia.

Norwee · 2019-05-12 23:01:46

Mafia?

mrjawapa · 2019-05-12 23:03:39

Alright, in hind sight I should have just not posted those. I have absolutely no idea what's going on.

I hardly have the time to participate. If there's a replacement who can contribute more, feel free to replace me. Otherwise, I may not post again until thursday afternoon.

Norwee · 2019-05-12 23:11:26

MrJawapa wrote:

Onjit
Kirby

MrJawapa wrote:

Green is town

MrJawapa wrote:

Dont kill me today, and ill tell you why i think onjit and kirby are 100% definitely without a doubt mafia.

Is this an freudian slip?

mrjawapa · 2019-05-12 23:23:18

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Is this an freudian slip?

No. This is Patrick.

Norwee, Kirby, Slabdrill

Kirby · 2019-05-12 23:53:35

crud yea cohort

!unvote
!lynch Luka504

mutantdevle · 2019-05-12 23:54:15

Only the last 2 paragraphs of this post are somewhat relevant to everyone

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Mafia buddies: Right now i’m suspecting Kirby mainly. I’m also worried about certain suspicions you and Different55 are having on Luka504.
Also i don’t think inactivity is a foolproof defense. Mafia members can be afk too.

I more meant that I was super willing to see through a lynch on Diff's slot. It wasn't a defence in that GreenyMix was inactive, it was an attempt to highlight that I didn't need to risk a mafia buddy like that. As a general rule, if the only scummy thing that someone has done is be associated with someone else, you probably shouldn't be scum reading them. I can understand the point of view that me and Kirby could be a team, but I don't think Diff should be dragged into it.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

This is going to sound like a real **** excuse. But the reason i didn’t answer your huge questionnaire immediately is that i have ADHD, and this means commitment issues. I thought about answers to your questions in my head all day, but the thought of spending half an hour to sit down and manage all of my thoughts into textual form made me nauseous. So i didn’t reply at all because of the scale of your questions, then you started adding ON and ON with even more questions hidden in long analysis essays that would require from me: long-winded answers. So i eventually said **** it and just plainly asked you to simplify the questions for me and put them in a plain and easy to read form. That’s how i managed to sit down and reply to that huge mess of questions. Let me add that i don’t have problems with long texts as long as i am entertained by what i am reading, but yeah. Putting it bluntly, some of your questions were a real bore to analyze and answer. I also can get too obsessive sometimes, or impulsive, i’ll admit it. But enough about the personal problems. I just want you to know where my behaviour comes from. So if my reply takes forever, consider whether you are making it easy for the person you are trying to extract information from.

No problem dude, I understand. I'll keep this in mind for the rest of this game and any future ones. I'll try not to overload you with too much at once and maybe try to make my messages a little more entertaining

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

It honestly was a hateful thing to do. And the fact that you are surprised about people voting on you for it is making me even more surprised. I know you simply tried to be funny, but certain things that people believe is just a “joke” can seriously damage other people. You made yourself look like a bully.

Sorry man, I didn't realise I hurt you beyond the boundaries of the game. I didn't even think that the image was anywhere close to being offensive. Perhaps the intent of it wasn't clear enough? The image was simply representing the phrase "digging your own grave", in other words, I intended it as nothing more than just a statement that I thought you were making things worse for yourself by voting for me. The message "time for you to die" was not meant in any literal or offensive way, it was intended as a jokey way of saying "it's time for you to be lynched in the game". I'm sorry if I seriously damaged or hurt you in any way as that was not the purpose of that, or any other, post.

Also, I don't think that anyone is voting me over that image. I was under the impression that both Onjit and Luka are voting for me because they both don't believe my claim and peace is voting for me because... well he's peace.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Ok so, it’s… just natural i suppose? I have a suspicion list… You have a lynching list. I know i’m town, we completely disagree on who we should lynch… Hey, maybe this guy is the mafia?

Yeah I get the logic. We clearly don't have the same mindset so it's logical to conclude that it could be because we have different alignments. However, I'd like to just warn against the premise. Thinking someone is mafia because they disagree with you is a very dangerous thing to do. Sometimes, disagreement can be a sign of a mafia. But more often than not it simply comes from a difference in playstyle.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

And my goal isn’t to lynch 1 single mafia. It’s to identify them all. What’s better? To lynch 1 mafia, then get night killed with no more information. Or logically deduce who the other mafia are, from the one identified mafia?

Yeah of course. But if you have 2 people that you think are more directly related to each other it's always best to lynch one of them, or at least heavily push one of them, to see how the other reacts. That's what gives more weight to your theory. And the problem is, you need one of them to flip to make people believe your theory. If you think 2 people are mafia together and 1 person has already flipped as mafia then people are more likely to agree with you that the second person might be mafia.

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

This leads me to another point of concern however, what’s going to stop the mafia roleblocker from simply blocking your investigation on every single turn? Are you sure you really thought this move through? Because i’m having increasing doubts the more i think about it. What’s going to happen, assuming your role is real. Is that the doctor will protect you, and the mafia roleblocker will block you on every turn. How is this supposed to help the town? You’ve basically made yourself useless, instead of taking a minor gamble of staying hidden and investigating as much as possible. You’ve made yourself aware to the mafia roleblocker presence and completely uselessified yourself. Meanwhile the mafia is going to kill like never before, not having to worry about you even exposing them. Sooner or later they’ll kill the doctor and you’ll be easy prey. Was this your great plan? Like i’ve said before, either you are a complete failure of a cop. Or you are fake claiming.

I think what you need to understand is that I thought that the mafia role cop received the result of people's exact roles: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop. The version of role cop that Railmat is using in this game is more commonly (and less confusingly) referred to as a vanilla cop. As a result, I thought that a role that powerful was guaranteed to be used on me. Hence, I thought the mafia already knew my role. And if they knew my role, they were either going to kill me or keep roleblocking me anyway. However, that's not the case, and it's since been explained to me that the mafia role cop only gets the result of "vanilla" or "PR". So I'm willing to bet that the mafia still knew that I was a PR, they just didn't know which one.

If I had realised exactly how the mafia cop worked I'm not so sure I would have claimed. However, I still think that having done so that it was the right thing to do. I'm very sure that my chances of being killed during night 2 would have been really high and, by claiming, that has been majorly reduced. I doubt the mafia would have let me live after seeing I'm a PR (assuming they'd still investigated me) even if they didn't know I was specifically the cop. Another more town-wide benefit is that the mafia roleblocker now has to focus on me which would allow our potential seer to get a result ever night. Additionally, on the odd chance that our roleblocker blocks their roleblocker, I could still get a result. It would also give our role blocker a result as they'd know the person they blocked that night is the mafia roleblocker. Additionally, the doctor could still prevent a kill. There's no guarantee that the doctor is on me since not everyone believes my claim. As a result, the mafia may still try to kill me which would then be prevented by the doctor. Alternatively, the doctor could gamble under the assumption that the mafia won't attack me because they think I'm protected and hence stop someone else from being killed. Besides, I think it's a handy thing to have Kirby confirmed as town. He's definitely someone who is harder to sort but has good contributions. Y'all now don't need to worry about figuring him out and can know that everything he says is motivated by a town alignment. Finally, if we kill the mafia roleblocker then I become very useful again. So there's still a lot of benefits to us having me claimed. I don't really appreciate being called a failure of a cop. If the mafia role worked like I thought it did then claiming today was most definitely the right thing to do. Even though it doesn't, it's still pretty similar which means that I still think it is better that I'm claimed.

mutantdevle · 2019-05-13 00:02:29

Kirby wrote:

!lynch Luka504

Kirby I have an important question, do you think Luka is mafia or the SK?

Different55 · 2019-05-13 00:27:50

mutantdevle wrote:

I can understand the point of view that me and Kirby could be a team, but I don't think Diff should be dragged into it.

Yeah I'm independently stupid and can get myself lynched without any help tyvm.

mutantdevle, mrjawapa

mutantdevle · 2019-05-13 00:38:27

Hey diff, since you're here, could you elaborate on why you think Luka is the SK?

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