Random LGBT+ debates 'n stuff

mutantdevle · 2018-06-01 17:25:51

Edit: I didn't make this topic, it was split off from this topic which was discussing gay stuff.

I don't get the whole appeal of devoting a month to pride tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If you see it as a month to celebrate your sexuality - you should always be celebrating your sexuality (no matter what it is).

If you see it as a month for educating people on pride related issues - we should always be educating people on pride related issues.

I like pride events though. I generally like being social despite my introvertness but pride events especially have a higher chance of meeting a guy :3

hummerz5, mrjawapa, Bimps, Slabdrill, Enurp, SirJosh3917, Schlog, Raven

TaskManager · 2018-06-01 20:21:26

>devoting an entire month to a group of people
seriously
im sure people would go ape **** if there was a straight month

Luka504, IanJanes

Anak · 2018-06-01 20:26:23

TaskManager wrote:

>devoting an entire month to a group of people
seriously
im sure people would go ape **** if there was a straight month

Every month is straight month :/

Zoey2070 · 2018-06-01 20:26:43

Straight people haven't been murdered for being straight. Straight ppl haven't been vilified and had laws made against them for existing. Straight people haven't had a brilliant inventor kill himself bc he was chemically castrated because of being straight.

People have been sent to jail for being lgbt. People have been made fun or bullied of for being lgbt. People have committed suicide because of how people treated them for being lgbt. No one has people getting in an uproar for being straight. People coming out as straight isn't a big deal.

None of this happens to straight people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They don't need a month to say "I'm not afraid to say I'm straight"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy ****

e: added just a lil bit of sources

double e: changed to sentence case for readability

mutantdevle, RavaTroll, azurepudding, Raven

Zoey2070 · 2018-06-01 20:27:18

spoilered this **** and kind of bad post

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TaskManager · 2018-06-01 20:57:54

Zoey2070 wrote:

STRAIGHT PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN MURDERED FOR BEING STRAIGHT. STRAIGHT PPL HAVEN'T BEEN VILIFIED AND HAD LAWS MADE AGAINST THEM FOR EXISTING. STRAIGHT PEOPLE HAVEN'T HAD A BRILLIANT INVENTOR KILL HIMSELF BC HE WAS CHEMICALLY CASTRATED BECAUSE OF BEING STRAIGHT.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENT TO JAIL FOR BEING LGBT. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MADE FUN OR BULLIED OF FOR BEING LGBT. PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED SUICIDE BECAUSE OF HOW PEOPLE TREATED THEM FOR BEING LGBT. NO ONE HAS PEOPLE GETTING IN AN UPROAR FOR BEING STRAIGHT. PEOPLE COMING OUT AS STRAIGHT ISN'T A BIG DEAL.
NONE OF THIS HAPPENS TO STRAIGHT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY DON'T NEED A MONTH TO SAY "I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY I'M STRAIGHT"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY ****

ok?
the murders and jails are in the past now, in civilized countries at least. you're putting it as if these are happening literally nowadays.
as for bullying, yes, i agree
but my point is that devoting an entire month to a minority is blatantly stupid. a day would be perfectly fine, that's how it works for literally any event in human history. but a month? no. somehow jews dont have that, despite the holocaust, afro americans dont have that, despite the centuries of slavery and oppresion that was justified by american law, chinese and slavic nationalities dont have that, despite total casualties of 15-20mil and 20-27mil respectively during ww2, muslims dont have that despite the crusades, inquisition and modern day situation on middle-east, women dont have that despite obtaining the right to vote just like 150-200 years ago

go protest if you want, thats perfectly fine, but devoting a month to a minority (considering there are other groups of people that suffered much more) is absurd. my subjective opinion.

also i did not expect specifically you to go ape **** over this, ive expected better from you zoey. theres no need to rape that caps lock button and become so worried/angry over some forum discussion. its not worth it.

Luka504, Master1, soniiiety, Schlog, Yonanoke

hummerz5 · 2018-06-01 21:02:58

I mean that is kinda a debate when it comes to oppression and minorities and stuff. How much restitution is paid for the past? Is that measured in duration or quality of returns?

but perhaps we digress?

Zoey2070 · 2018-06-01 21:16:03

TaskManager wrote:

in civilized countries

uhh... lgbt murders are up in the past few years

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ … w-research

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/ … -0030.html

[edit: also 50 people literally died in a gay bar two years ago.....]

TaskManager wrote:

somehow jews dont have that

they have eight days in the US and countless memorials across the world

TaskManager wrote:

afro americans dont have that

yeah....... they do......... it's called.... february
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_History_Month

TaskManager wrote:

women dont have that

breast cancer awareness month is october.........

TaskManager wrote:

theres no need to rape that caps lock button

thanks for bringing sexual assault into this?????

azurepudding, Emily

Luka504 · 2018-06-01 21:28:38

Zoey2070 wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
theres no need to rape that caps lock button
thanks for bringing sexual assault into this?????

I genuinely cannot tell if you're joking or not.

TaskManager, Yonanoke

Anak · 2018-06-01 21:48:41

TaskManager wrote:

ok?
the murders and jails are in the past now, in civilized countries at least. you're putting it as if these are happening literally nowadays.

Sis tell that to the people in gay concentration camps in Chechnya and the victims of the Pulse shooting lol

Plus, not only are queer ppl vilified, murdered, illegal, etc. around the world (and I'm not even gonna touch the "civilised countries" thing) but our prides and pride month is important to let other queer ppl know that they being queer is normal and nothing to be ashamed of. Queer ppl in Uganda are doing their best to hold their first pride parade, a country where u can be sentence to life imprisonment for being queer. It's important to let queer ppl, and especially young queer ppl who are still figuring themselves out, know that they are normal not some kind of crime.

As well as that, it's important to know abt queer history in the same way it's important to know about black history to know about women's history etc. Along with pride month there is an LGBT+ history month (February in the UK, October in the US) in which we look at famous and well known people in history who were queer (like Alan Turing mentioned above) as well as how our community has shaped with time as well as influenced the spaces around us (e.g. Stonewall w/ Marsha P Johnson, AIDS epidemic, etc.)

The reason why there isn't some kind of straight pride or straight history month is bc EVERYTHING is straight pride. EVERYTHING is straight history. If queer ppl weren't so villified and hated across the world, we wouldn't need a pride. Straight people don't need a pride bc they already have everything to be proud of and assert it so thruout history esp in response to queer ppl. Being straight is normal to the point where it's assumed and that's what societal roles are based upon (heteronormativity/cisnormativity), bc it's so normalised it's celebrated and broadcasted in everything, it's inescapable. Queer ppl have always had to fight for a voice in society and representation in every aspect.

hummerz5 wrote:

but perhaps we digress?

But perhaps we do. idk about u guys but I'd much rather not have to fight for the validation of my identity and the celebration of it. It's probably better if this topic moves to a Debates thread and this thread abt pride stays about pride rather than arguing whether it's worth existing or not.

hummerz5, mutantdevle, Zoey2070

N1KF · 2018-06-01 22:19:59

Zoey2070 wrote:

I KNOW JEWISH PPL DIED IN THE HOLOCAUST BUT WHY ISN'T THERE A DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR CHRISTIANS ://///////

It bothers me that you write that like Christians are undeserving of a holiday. All the violence under the Roman Empire and the Middle East should be enough.

Xfrogman43

TaskManager · 2018-06-01 23:32:03

Anak wrote:

hummerz5 wrote:
but perhaps we digress?
But perhaps we do. idk about u guys but I'd much rather not have to fight for the validation of my identity and the celebration of it. It's probably better if this topic moves to a Debates thread and this thread abt pride stays about pride rather than arguing whether it's worth existing or not.

sure i guess

but still, gotta mention that chechnya and brazil are far from being civilized countries; as for murders/jails, my point was that it is rare (in comparison to, say, 100 years ago) and not allowed by the state/law anymore

edit:

Zoey2070 wrote:

I mean, heck, I still hear people using gay as an insult. And that's hurtful, because it sends a message to other people, those who might be gay, that it's something bad.

damn, things like these have been discussed a lot of times here already

mrjawapa · 2018-06-02 00:19:23

Zoey2070 wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
women dont have that
breast cancer awareness month is october.........

So glad that men can't get breast cancer...

I hope pride month doesn't get washed out by:
January:
Cervical Health Awareness Month
National Birth Defects Prevention Month
National Glaucoma Awareness Month
National Radon Action Month
National Stalking Awareness Month
Thyroid Awareness Month

February:
American Heart Month
AMD/Low Vision Awareness Month
National Children’s Dental Health Month
International Prenatal Infection Prevention Month
Teen Dating Violence Awareness Month

March:
National Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month
National Endometriosis Awareness Month
National Kidney Month
Multiple Sclerosis Education Month
National Nutrition Month
Save Your Vision Month
Sleep Awareness Month
Trisomy Awareness Month
Workplace Eye Wellness Month
National Athletic Training Month
National Bleeding Disorders Awareness Month
National Cheerleader Safety Month
Problem Gambling Awareness Month

April:
Alcohol Awareness Month
National Autism Awareness Month
National Child Abuse Prevention Month
National Donate Life Month
National Facial Protection Month
Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) Awareness Month
National Minority Health Month
Occupational Therapy Month
National Sarcoidosis Awareness Month
STI Awareness Month
Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Month
Sexual Assault Awareness Month of Action
Sports Eye Safety Awareness Month
Women’s Eye Health and Safety Month
Oral Cancer Awareness Month
National Distracted Driving Awareness Month
National Interprofessional Health Care Month

May:
American Stroke Awareness Month
Arthritis Awareness Month
Better Hearing and Speech Month
National Celiac Disease Awareness Month
Cystic Fibrosis Awareness Month
Clean Air Month
Global Employee Health and Fitness Month
Healthy Vision Month
Hepatitis Awareness Month
Lupus Awareness Month
National Mediterranean Diet Month
Melanoma/Skin Cancer Detection and Prevention Month
Mental Health Month
National High Blood Pressure Education Month
Older Americans Month
National Physical Fitness and Sports Month
National Osteoporosis Awareness and Prevention Month
Preeclampsia Awareness Month
Ultraviolet Awareness Month
Food Allergy Action Month
Global Youth Traffic Safety Month
National Asthma and Allergy Awareness Month
National Teen Pregnancy Prevention Month

June:
Cataract Awareness Month
Hernia Awareness Month
Men’s Health Month
Myasthenia Gravis Awareness Month
National Aphasia Awareness Month
National Congenital Cytomegalovirus Awareness Month
National Safety Month
National Scleroderma Awareness Month
Scoliosis Awareness Month
PTSD Awareness Month
Alzheimer’s and Brain Awareness Month

July:
Cord Blood Awareness Month
International Group B Strep Throat Awareness Month
Juvenile Arthritis Awareness Month
National Cleft & Craniofacial Awareness & Prevention Month

August:
Children’s Eye Health and Safety Month
National Breastfeeding Month
National Immunization Awareness Month
Psoriasis Awareness Month
Gastroparesis Awareness Month

you get the point... and this list gets even longer when you count all the awareness weeks/days.

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Norwee · 2018-06-02 00:26:48

mrjawapa wrote:

Zoey2070 wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
women dont have that
breast cancer awareness month is october.........
So glad that men can't get breast cancer...

Lucky lucky you are! Oh well... There’s always testicular cancer.

TaskManager · 2018-06-02 00:32:14

mrjawapa wrote:

Zoey2070 wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
women dont have that
breast cancer awareness month is october.........
So glad that men can't get breast cancer...

I hope pride month doesn't get washed out by:
January:
Cervical Health Awareness Month
National Birth Defects Prevention Month
National Glaucoma Awareness Month
National Radon Action Month
National Stalking Awareness Month
Thyroid Awareness Month
February:
American Heart Month
AMD/Low Vision Awareness Month
National Children’s Dental Health Month
International Prenatal Infection Prevention Month
Teen Dating Violence Awareness Month
March:
National Colorectal Cancer Awareness Month
National Endometriosis Awareness Month
National Kidney Month
Multiple Sclerosis Education Month
National Nutrition Month
Save Your Vision Month
Sleep Awareness Month
Trisomy Awareness Month
Workplace Eye Wellness Month
National Athletic Training Month
National Bleeding Disorders Awareness Month
National Cheerleader Safety Month
Problem Gambling Awareness Month
April:
Alcohol Awareness Month
National Autism Awareness Month
National Child Abuse Prevention Month
National Donate Life Month
National Facial Protection Month
Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) Awareness Month
National Minority Health Month
Occupational Therapy Month
National Sarcoidosis Awareness Month
STI Awareness Month
Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Month
Sexual Assault Awareness Month of Action
Sports Eye Safety Awareness Month
Women’s Eye Health and Safety Month
Oral Cancer Awareness Month
National Distracted Driving Awareness Month
National Interprofessional Health Care Month
May:
American Stroke Awareness Month
Arthritis Awareness Month
Better Hearing and Speech Month
National Celiac Disease Awareness Month
Cystic Fibrosis Awareness Month
Clean Air Month
Global Employee Health and Fitness Month
Healthy Vision Month
Hepatitis Awareness Month
Lupus Awareness Month
National Mediterranean Diet Month
Melanoma/Skin Cancer Detection and Prevention Month
Mental Health Month
National High Blood Pressure Education Month
Older Americans Month
National Physical Fitness and Sports Month
National Osteoporosis Awareness and Prevention Month
Preeclampsia Awareness Month
Ultraviolet Awareness Month
Food Allergy Action Month
Global Youth Traffic Safety Month
National Asthma and Allergy Awareness Month
National Teen Pregnancy Prevention Month
June:
Cataract Awareness Month
Hernia Awareness Month
Men’s Health Month
Myasthenia Gravis Awareness Month
National Aphasia Awareness Month
National Congenital Cytomegalovirus Awareness Month
National Safety Month
National Scleroderma Awareness Month
Scoliosis Awareness Month
PTSD Awareness Month
Alzheimer’s and Brain Awareness Month
July:
Cord Blood Awareness Month
International Group B Strep Throat Awareness Month
Juvenile Arthritis Awareness Month
National Cleft & Craniofacial Awareness & Prevention Month
August:
Children’s Eye Health and Safety Month
National Breastfeeding Month
National Immunization Awareness Month
Psoriasis Awareness Month
Gastroparesis Awareness Month

you get the point... and this list gets even longer when you count all the awareness weeks/days.

DA

mn
thats a lot

capasha · 2018-06-02 03:55:04

Why is zoey raging hard on this? Why even celebrate at all. I don't celebrate anything and that's good.

soniiiety, SirJosh3917

Zoey2070 · 2018-06-02 04:26:09

mrjawapa wrote:

Zoey2070 wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
women dont have that
breast cancer awareness month is october.........
So glad that men can't get breast cancer...

I hope pride month doesn't get washed out by:
you get the point... and this list gets even longer when you count all the awareness weeks/days.

unsure if joking, but men can get breast cancer. and if you want to create a topic for some other thing then feel free to do that! but this topic is for pride month specifically :)

@bimps you didn't need to make that post either but you still did! lots of things aren't needed, but sometimes they are wanted :)

also

fun fact!

In lots of places, men who have sex with men can't donate blood due to "a higher risk of disease" and stuff (this possibly ties into Ronald Reagan Being Bad). checking red cross guidelines says they went from being lifetime barred from donating blood to... only having to not have sex with another man for a year! source

so... if you're eligible to donate blood, maybe do it for those who can't! I've always wanted to but I've never reached the minimum weight requirement, and I've been upset about it for years because if there's one thing I'm good for, it's having pretty healthy organs and stuff!

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Bimps · 2018-06-02 04:27:57

why are you celebrating something that you can't control

soniiiety

Slushie · 2018-06-02 04:49:29

The fact that so many people continue to get upset over the existence of Pride Month is ample proof that we still need it. That's all.

Zoey2070, Emily

hummerz5 · 2018-06-02 04:49:49

Bimps wrote:

why are you celebrating something that you can't control

OK that one's easy. Based on what I've read, they don't celebrate that, they celebrate expanding acceptance in society.

soniiiety · 2018-06-02 04:57:12

what what is pride? another word for proud? like people who are kings or goverment or people who are rich or powefful people have pride/proud?

idk if its like that. prob not idk. but I have see on tv and news people used it like that

Bimps · 2018-06-02 04:59:23

to clarify on my post, i just dont get why some people revolve their lives around uncontrollable factors. there are people that will almost only talk about how they are trans and why that makes them special.

some woman · 2018-06-02 05:11:51

The point of this topic seems to be assimilating everyone who isn't cishet into an angry vocal minority.

Zoey2070 wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
theres no need to rape that caps lock button
thanks for bringing sexual assault into this?????

This in particular is making me kind of angry, because it sounds like some quote lifted ad-verbum from a /r/tumblrinaction post as if to show that if lgbt+ then wussies. IMO your behavior is just furthering these "triggered by everything" stereotypes. "Rape" in this case refers to unpleasant stimulation of something, e.g. earrape.

Bimps, Luka504

Xfrogman43 · 2018-06-02 05:21:03

soniiiety wrote:

what what is pride? another word for proud? like people who are kings or goverment or people who are rich or powefful people have pride/proud?
idk if its like that. prob not idk. but I have see on tv and news people used it like that

pride month is all about people who are in the lgbtqyduosandusnaudinas community

Luka504 · 2018-06-02 06:23:27

Zoey2070 wrote:

yeah and people misusing the word rape makes me kind of angry too... cuz, y'know, rape is a serious and traumatic topic and shouldn't be misused for something like having my capslock key on.

"You're not allowed to use a word in a specific way because I don't like it"

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