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XxAtillaxX

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Re: I am thankful

What's classified as "temporarily" in your mind? Neither time did you reinstate them, suggesting that you did them permanently, and other people reversed your decision.
If you meant, "I permanently revoked your moderator privileges expecting someone else to reinstate them", then fine, although that would be suggesting you're trying to blame other people for your actions, expecting them to get involved when they shouldn't have to. If you were truly "taking responsibility for your own actions", you would have reinstated them while I was asleep.

Please don't go back to the argument of "It's not my job to reinstate them", when you know it was never "your job" to take them away in the first place.

What is your job?

I don't take orders from you. I will speak to NVD certainly, but not to you.
I'm aware it isn't my job nor anyone else, it's a responsibility that comes along with being an adult - making an informed rational decisions to prevent entirely undesirable and otherwise preventable outcomes. I don't care to re-iterate this point a thousand times, you either agree or disagree.

As is removing my in-game privileges over things that happened "outside of Everybody Edits".

It didn't happen outside of Everybody Edits - you banning my community account is entirely within Everybody Edits.
When I call you a rude name on Slack - that is outside Everybody Edits. It doesn't affect anyone within Everybody Edits.

Is that so hard to comprehend? I don't see why it apparently is for you.

Clearly, you misunderstood what I meant by "the community", as you do seem particularly self-involved as to think you are "the community", and the community is "you", and no one else, but that's your own problem to take up with a psychiatrist.

Either you are staff, and I took my staff frustrations out on staff (you), or you are a member of the community, and I took my community frustrations (over yourself alone) out on the single member of the community involved. Either way, I did not "take out my staff frustrations out on the community".

I didn't misunderstand it, you are intentionally twisting what you said to suit your current narrative, and to evade responsibility for your actions.
I didn't state that I think I'm "the community" and the community is "me" - I think you require the psychiatrist, you seem to be incapable of interpreting speech.

You keep saying these things as if one didn't result in another. I only directly "attacked" you because you took away my moderator privileges, and you directly "attacked" me by calling me the N-word. Why are you allowed to be immune from your own rules?

No. You banned my acocunt after I called you a rude name. I have the screenshots, and everyone else on the staff can confirm this.
You don't need to constantly lie and spread misinformation in order to get your point across.

You have been incredibly disrespectful towards your fellow staff members as well.
In this instance you're assuming that it is uncalled for.

How was calling me the N-word called for? How is it called for in ANY situation? The only way it is socially acceptable (that I know of) is to use it as a term of endearment between friends. We're not friends, and we never will be, which suggests you purely said it as an uncalled for attack. I've never been as disrespectful towards the staff members or the community as you have yourself.

You misquoted me.
I stated (WITHOUT YOU REMOVING CONTEXT) "In this instance you're assuming that it is uncalled for, when Niels had stated previously that he understood why precautionary action was taken." - I was specifically referring to removing your moderator privileges.

We're never going to agree over this. You feel like you've justified your actions when I believe you haven't. I feel like I've justified my actions when you believe I haven't. Might as well leave it at that over those actions.

You never justified your actions against me for calling you a rude name outside Everybody Edits, and then promptly banning my Everybody Edits account for 99 days. I won't leave it at that, since that's exactly where your tantrum spiraled out of control.

We've been through this. I did. Most staff members ignored my line of questioning, and I clearly announced TheGame should be banned. No point going over it again.

You announced that he should be banned.
You never specified the duration, you never told anyone that you had banned him. You chose a duration without consulting anyone, based merely on your own opinion, and remained quiet until they told us.

I haven't punished anyone for disagreeing with me. You have, however.

You don't consider removing my modship as a punishment? Wouldn't you have taken removal of your power as a punishment if our roles were reversed?

I didn't remove your moderator privileges because you were upset towards me, you were upset towards me prior up until the point you decided to use your moderator powers to take action against me - for calling you a rude name. I disagreed that you should've done so, but you kept the ban in-place.

How's the painstaking effort of dealing with this backlash going for you instead?

I don't need to reply, and the backlash is fairly minimal. It isn't a pain-steaking effort for me to take 10 minutes to reply to you.

Why should I have waited until he was online and you shouldn't have?

You should've waited because you stepped out of line by anyone's judgement. I shouldn't have waited because it would have allowed you to further act out of line. It's as simple as that.

If I was offline for an unreasonably long period of time, how could I have been an 'immediate' danger to Everybody Edits and its community that required removal of my modship immediately without discussion?

You were offline for an unreasonably long period of time during the final stages of the contest audit. You were obviously online during your rage towards me. Is it hard to refute without twisting everything I'm stating?

None of whom have the ability to remove moderator privileges, which was a decision actively made by NVD, Jesse, and Showpath, so that such incidences would be discussed BEFORE the choice to remove modship or reverse bans, instead of going ahead with it of their own accord.

It isn't expected that a moderator themselves would act so incredibly childish and petty, that's why that decision was made - to affect players, not moderators.

I tried. Jesse didn't care. Showpath talked about it to some extent. If I hadn't discussed it at all, I would have just banned him the moment I said he should be banned, and I didn't for many days due to having further discussions. Just because I didn't discuss it with you doesn't mean it wasn't discussed.

See above. You didn't specify a duration nor did you say you banned him when you did.

To prove the point I mentioned earlier. Both you and I know that banning your account is a meaningless ban, because you could reverse it anyway. It's not the same as banning a regular community member. If I'd banned you for 16 hours, you still would have reversed it before the 16 hours were up. The length of time was meaningless, and the ban itself was meaningless, but it was an action made to prove a point. It didn't need discussion.

It was enough to demonstrate that you're willing to take out actions in-game for reasons outside the game, which is completely unacceptable by anyone's standards.

I stated to Showpath that I believed it was justified to ban TheGame for at least 6 times the length of time Abysmal was to be banned. Phina had only asked for feedback and suggestions over the length of Abysmal's ban, and we gave her that feedback. I never felt the need to discuss TheGame's ban length, just like. as I said before, we don't discuss every single person's ban for every single length of time. If I had followed through with my original ban length, it would have been for 84 days, and Showpath convinced me that was probably too long, so it was reduced to 40. Similarly, you believed Abysmal should have been banned for 30-40 days, and I said 7-10 days, and Phina decided to go for 14. If the compromise I had suggested had been met, both of them would have been banned for the same length of time.

In this specific instance, there was a discussion to be had and that was pertinent information. In-game bans from reports typically aren't discussed - this was an obvious exception from the VERY beginning.

As mentioned prior, he always approached me. I've explained this, and really don't need to go into it again. I try taking things up with "any of you", and most of you ignore me. That's your problem, not mine.

Enough excuses.

So if you're not an official developer, stop officially developing. NVD, please remove Atilla's developer privileges.

incredibly petty and vengeful.

wants all the privileges of being a staff member but none of the accountability

Sounds a little hypocritical: make others be accountable for their actions, even over stepping his bounds to do so, but doing everything possible to avoid being held accountable for his own actions.

I didn't step out of bounds. I took the precautionary actions any responsible adult would do. It's a tad hypocritical for you, who had sold gems on the black-market to attempt morality policing of all things. Y'know?

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Zoey2070

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Re: I am thankful

Mega Lamb wrote:
So if you're not an official developer, stop officially developing. NVD, please remove Atilla's developer privileges.

incredibly petty and vengeful.

"if you don't have the position of x, don't do x"... which is literally what you've said in regard to moderation and administration:

For Atilla, (who I keep feeling it's necessary to remind people is not a moderator, and considers matters of moderation "none of [his]
concern

x

but now when he's literally telling you to follow your own guidelines, aka don't moderate if you're not a moderator, don't administration when you're not an administrator (both of which you've broken despite saying it's "none of your concern"), it's "incredibly petty and vengeful"?

also let me break this whole thing down, just to make it clear timeline-wise

i call thegame a ****. (i can't remember why but. i mean. he probably deserved it)
thegame plots my demise three months later
thegame somehow gets abysmal as a judge.
abysmal tries to claim i'm biased or whatever.
weird contest shenanigans; throughout this, megalamb, phina, and atilla are mostly absent. megalamb had RL priorities, especially the week we went to post results. phinarose and atilla didn't do much to help with this.
atilla informs me of the shenaniganry.
i yell at abysmal.
megalamb investigates this contest stuff, which takes a month.
megalamb calls phinarose an ungrateful **** for non-contest-related-things
megalamb bans thegame, abysmal, and ogotu without settling on a time with others (who usually give lackluster responses when he asks for input anyways)
atilla consults phinarose, unbans thegame and abysmal (i'm just saying, i'm pretty sure they're his friends), [and says "**** you ****" to megalamb.* not sure when this actually happened tho, just guessing]
megalamb bans atilla for calling him a ****, because who the **** even does that, which he knows is a pointless and only a symbolic act since atilla can unban himself.
atilla demods megalamb, who can't really do **** to him, because atilla is "afraid of what he's going to do" and unbans himself.
megalamb says he's going to quit if he isn't reinstated several hours later.
he isn't reinstated despite several people who can do that are online.
megalamb quits.
this topic is made.

so atilla, who isn't a moderator, did moderator duties (technically) by unbanning someone,
atilla, who isn't an admin, did admin duties (or owner duties) by demodding megalamb, or, alternatively, also did admin duties by unbanning someone,
atilla, who isn't an official developer, did developmental duties for the contest and probably more things.

seems an awful lot of hats for someone who won't even let himself be publicly acknowledged as part of the staff, because he apparently deserves his secrecy and peace more than any other staff member on this game.

why should atilla even HAVE the ability to interfere with everything to do with ee? why should he be making executive decisions that are solely NVD's to make? he says he demodded megalamb for damage control, when it seems like he's doing more damage to ee than anyone. he's tearing apart the staff, he's tearing apart the community, he's notorious for being a hacker, he doxes people, he shares nudes of strangers, he arguably sexually harasses people by sending them nudes of said strangers, he makes claims about a new owner and tells everyone just to trust him despite giving us no reason to, and god knows what else.

he's sowing discord amongst the staff and the community because of his own trust issues and thirst for power, and it looks like no one's really on his side here.

so yeah. this guy has access to people's personal information via IPs (and has been shown in the past to willingly share this information), he has access to everyone's worlds and accounts, he can control pretty much everything on ee, he controls who is staff and who isn't, and he won't even go on EE and say "hey, i can do this." this is who we're trusting by so much as logging into EE each and every day. and if you're not on the forum or the discord, you know absolutely nothing about any of this.

how did EE become such a trainwreck?

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Xenonetix

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Re: I am thankful

Thankfully, the points are at least reducing as time goes on.

Clearly, you misunderstood what I meant by "the community", as you do seem particularly self-involved as to think you are "the community", and the community is "you", and no one else, but that's your own problem to take up with a psychiatrist.

Either you are staff, and I took my staff frustrations out on staff (you), or you are a member of the community, and I took my community frustrations (over yourself alone) out on the single member of the community involved. Either way, I did not "take out my staff frustrations out on the community".

I didn't misunderstand it, you are intentionally twisting what you said to suit your current narrative, and to evade responsibility for your actions.
I didn't state that I think I'm "the community" and the community is "me" - I think you require the psychiatrist, you seem to be incapable of interpreting speech.

How am I twisting what I said? YOU said that I was being irresponsible with my moderator privileges and taking my staff frustrations out on the community. I've yet to see how I have taken any of my frustrations out on "the community", when you are the only person involved in my actions, and, to a lesser extent, TheGame. It's not like I suddenly decided to go on a rampage randomly banning Orangecrix, Nou, Tiralmo, Oray, and Master1 for no reason - That would be taking out my staff frustrations on the community. As it is, I took my frustrations with two individuals in particular out on the two individuals in particular. How is that taking my staff frustrations out on the community?

You keep saying these things as if one didn't result in another. I only directly "attacked" you because you took away my moderator privileges, and you directly "attacked" me by calling me the N-word. Why are you allowed to be immune from your own rules?

No. You banned my acocunt after I called you a rude name. I have the screenshots, and everyone else on the staff can confirm this.
You don't need to constantly lie and spread misinformation in order to get your point across.

Still haven't intentionally spread misinformation or lied, but anyway - I didn't realise you felt my banning of you was considered an "attack". Even if you did, that means you calling me the "N-word" was a direct "attack" on me, and you were the first person to "attack" in this instance. I retaliated by banning your account to prove the earlier stated point.

I thought you felt I had somehow attacked you prior to you calling me the N-word, but if you feel like that wasn't the case, then I'm sorry I misunderstood your feeling of being "attacked". Nevertheless, that suggests calling me the N-word was still uncalled for, especially if I didn't attack you prior to you saying it.

I stated (WITHOUT YOU REMOVING CONTEXT) "In this instance you're assuming that it is uncalled for, when Niels had stated previously that he understood why precautionary action was taken." - I was specifically referring to removing your moderator privileges.

Then please justify calling me the N-word, or do you agree you made a mistake, and that was uncalled for? If you hadn't called me that in the first place, all of this could have been avoided.

I didn't remove your moderator privileges because you were upset towards me, you were upset towards me prior up until the point you decided to use your moderator powers to take action against me - for calling you a rude name. I disagreed that you should've done so, but you kept the ban in-place.

This appears to be a contradiction over what you'd said before. If I recall, you took me banning you as some sort of "threat", when it didn't really make sense as a threat, and the threat resulted in you removing my privileges, but if you didn't remove my privileges because I was upset towards you, as clearly I was, and clearly that was the reasoning behind my banning of you, why did you take it as a threat if you knew it wasn't, and why did you consequently remove my privileges?

You stepped out of line by anyone's judgement.

No, I stepped out of line by your judgement, and in your opinion.

It isn't expected that a moderator themselves would act so incredibly childish and petty, that's why that decision was made - to affect players, not moderators.

I don't understand this statement - Please elaborate.

You didn't say you banned him when you did.

I was supposed to announce every single ban I make? Please inform Phina of this, because I'm certain she hasn't.

...completely unacceptable by anyone's standards.

Again, unacceptable by your standards, not anyone's.

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Master1

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Re: I am thankful

this topic sure does make me ****

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Re: I am thankful

Thankfully, the points are at least reducing as time goes on.

>thank me because i gave you support
>unfriends me on ee

yeah...no

Xenonetix

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Re: I am thankful

Thankfully, the points are at least reducing as time goes on.

>thank me because i gave you support
>unfriends me on ee

yeah...no

Unfriended most people on EE. Please don’t take it personally.

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Re: I am thankful

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XxAtillaxX

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Re: I am thankful

so atilla, who isn't a moderator, did moderator duties (technically) by unbanning someone,

I did it on Phinarose's behalf and with her express permission.

[and says "**** you ****" to megalamb.* not sure when this actually happened tho, just guessing]

happened quite a while after then. I never disagreed with the ban nor am I friends with Abysmal, megalamb is however. I'm not really friends with thegame nor ogotu either, I rarely speak to either one of them and I agreed with their bans and they were ultimately banned by Phinarose on her own decision. I didn't agree with the duration she chose either - I thought they should all be longer, but it's her decision. (even though megalamb likes to spout the narrative that I force everything to my will)

I don't care if he banned me for calling him a **** or if he banned me because he didn't like the colour of my hair, what matters is that he banned someone for reasons outside the game, which is completely unacceptable for any moderator, you can pretend like he didn't do anything wrong all you like and divert attention by shifting the blame on me for demodding him when you know, and he knows, full well that he shouldn't have done that to me or anyone.

why should atilla even HAVE the ability to interfere with everything to do with ee?

literally anyone with any sort of privilege to anything could hypothetically "interfere" - what HAVE I interferred with in the past few months?

why should he be making executive decisions that are solely NVD's to make? he says he demodded megalamb for damage control, when it seems like he's doing more damage to ee than anyone. he's tearing apart the staff, he's tearing apart the community, he's notorious for being a hacker, he doxes people, he shares nudes of strangers, he arguably sexually harasses people by sending them nudes of said strangers, he makes claims about a new owner and tells everyone just to trust him despite giving us no reason to, and god knows what else.

I wouldn't have if he were online, if it were any other moderator I would have done exactly the same and I'd expect anyone else reasonable to do so. NVD understood why I take precaution.

I haven't torn apart the staff. MegaLamb had an issue with me personally and he left because of it, the rest of the staff aren't bothered by me in the slightest.
I've done far more work behind the scenes than he has in comparison - you only see his contributions because they're campaigns (which are worlds created by others, so go figure)

I haven't torn apart the community either, it's always been a toxic mess and will continue to be due to people like yourself who embrace the culture of nepitism yet reject their involvement in the negative impacts, on top of being extremely entitled and providing essentially nothing to the community in return.

what have you given back to the community exactly? I can think of many contributions others I know have made but I can't remember really any of yours.  I believe you helped with the EE Wiki (which is still hugely incomplete) and made a topic about BBCode one time... that's about it.

I'm notorious amongst people who haven't known me. I've never went after a friend of mine, and the few people I've had feuds with are the types that are permanently banned from the forums and permanently banned from the game for very good reasons.

I shared explicit pictures of strangers who didn't reasonably expect any privacy in return, they sent their pictures to me (another stranger) - if a random guy sends a girl a **** pic, is she wrong for showing it to her friend? what essentially what amounts to sharing **** videos you have claimed to be literally murder. (not even kidding, she seriously compared it to raping and murdering someone) - you don't need to resort to ad-hominem and it's incredibly pathetic you'd stoop that low.

I don't have any thirst for power, given an acquisition I'd have no position whatsoever. MegaLamb banned my account for 99 days for calling him a rude name in an obvious show of power.
I don't need forumers being on my side and I don't seek acceptance, keep pretending all you like that you control the game merely because you are the loudest and most active voices on these forums.

IP addresses aren't personal information, they resolve back to the ISP you're using and the only way you can gain any information with one is through law enforcement agencies (incredibly impractical on an international level)
I shared information about one person approximately 5 years ago who had been crashing and spamming worlds for more than a week straight, the vast majority of people were happy about that so by your standard of being on sides I suppose I'm in the right! (hint: I wasn't, obviously.)

I have access to worlds and accounts (and have for the vast majority of Everybody Edits existence, oh no I destroyed everything! except I clearly haven't nor ever would, it's a ridiculous assertion that you could apply to literally anyone else.)
on top of that I deliberately made copies and a tool to preserve an archive of worlds and playerobjects, and provided the tools for doing so for everyone else. I think it's incredibly absurd to insinuate that I'd damage user-created content when I've done nothing but to preserve it as a public utility.

I don't think that it's extremely crucial for people to know about all staff, and it's not only entitled to expect full disclosure over everything but it's also hypocritical - where were you when MrVoid was an unknown? where were you when Oliver was an unknown? where were you when Peter was an unknown? where were you when CJMaeder was an unknown?

how did EE become such a trainwreck

Ironically it's your fault that I (or anyone else you despise) have any involvement at all - the culture of neptitism grew from your willingness to accept community-sourced moderators, yet you won't blame yourself, shocking.

I left for a year or more after the Guardians after stating the obvious that Eveybody Edits will go incredibly downhill after MrShoe uses them as scapegoats. I wasn't around to witness the demise, you definitely were and you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prevent it. You have yourself to blame.

How am I twisting what I said? YOU said that I was being irresponsible with my moderator privileges and taking my staff frustrations out on the community. I've yet to see how I have taken any of my frustrations out on "the community", when you are the only person involved in my actions, and, to a lesser extent, TheGame. It's not like I suddenly decided to go on a rampage randomly banning Orangecrix, Nou, Tiralmo, Oray, and Master1 for no reason - That would be taking out my staff frustrations on the community. As it is, I took my frustrations with two individuals in particular out on the two individuals in particular. How is that taking my staff frustrations out on the community?

tl;dr I didn't take out frustrations on the community like I said I wouldn't. I only took out frustrations on some people in the community, not the full community, hehehehe aren't I clever? technicality therefore I'm right you're wrong!

No I understand what you meant and so did NVD.

This appears to be a contradiction over what you'd said before. If I recall, you took me banning you as some sort of "threat", when it didn't really make sense as a threat, and the threat resulted in you removing my privileges, but if you didn't remove my privileges because I was upset towards you, as clearly I was, and clearly that was the reasoning behind my banning of you, why did you take it as a threat if you knew it wasn't, and why did you consequently remove my privileges?

I didn't contradict myself, I didn't take it as a personal threat against myself, I took it as a threat to retaliate against everyone else - you had no grounds to retaliate in that way against me personally, why would I expect you to be completely sane in any other capacity?

I've seen you lash out at the rest of the staff and you had contradicted what you had told NVD, which was that you wouldn't attack the community, by banning someone from the community for calling you a rude name outside of the game.

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Kikikan

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Re: I am thankful

so when

As soon as NVD grows a pair of balls and starts acting as if he owns the game.

John

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Re: I am thankful

Thankfully, the points are at least reducing as time goes on.

>thank me because i gave you support
>unfriends me on ee

yeah...no

Unfriended most people on EE. Please don’t take it personally.

tOO lAte ! !

At this, point I'm not sure what to think...e

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Re: I am thankful

I think Atilla is a very capable developer and I don't want him to quit, but this situation should've been avoided by NVD explicitly defining Atilla's role and limitations at the moment he "hired" him and gave him admin privileges. Now perhaps Atilla's at fault for not going to NVD to clarify his responsibilities, and definitely raised a few eyebrows by not disclosing his powers, but he technically - without a defined position in the staff - had free reign to act as he saw fit, and that's NVD's failure.

Megalamb, don't underestimate the power you have even now as an ex-mod. Ex-staff - or at least the ones who don't turn sarcastic and bitter and are respected by the community - retain a significant level of influence over the game and can be powerful catalysts for change, not least in their ability to start forum drama and damage the game as much as improve it. It would be crappy if you, Atilla and NVD all ragequitted over this, so if you could avoid making this a blatant witch-hunt - and if by some miracle Atilla learns to accept criticism and be cordial whatever the current tone - this situation could turn out for the better.

I don't need forumers being on my side and I don't seek acceptance

Mmm, smells like dictatorship. What else is the community but a touchstone with which to evaluate your actions, especially given that your responsibility as a staff member is to improve the game? The community IS the game, and if you act without majority approval or acceptance then you shouldn't be part of it.

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Zumza

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Re: I am thankful

IP addresses aren't personal information

Anything that can identify an individual is personal information and thus goes under EU data protection law.

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XxAtillaxX

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Re: I am thankful

Mmm, smells like dictatorship. What else is the community but a touchstone with which to evaluate your actions, especially given that your responsibility as a staff member is to improve the game? The community IS the game, and if you act without majority approval or acceptance then you shouldn't be part of it.

The forum isn't the entire community, and those who vehemently despise me for petty drama like this appear to be a small but vocal minority. I've disclosed my privileges on many occasions within Discord. I didn't receive a ton of drama then.

I have evaluated my actions and I take full responsibility for taking them. I don't consider what I've done as wrong in respect with the circumstances surrounding the event - I took necessary measures to prevent further blatant abuse.
I'm not particularly keen on placing my efforts to appease those who are incredibly entitled and extremely vitriolic in their expressions - I've only intervened to help my friends, and my motivation in doing so remains for that very reason.

I agree that it's very important to be aware that while the previous administration has experienced the very same incessant negative feedback and despite this not being particularly new, there's definitely a tipping point for both, easily overlooked.

Anything that can identify an individual is personal information and thus goes under EU data protection law.

You can't physically identify an individual merely with an IP address alone unless they themselves exposed their personal information through an open port, or through a third-party service non-compliant with those laws. (i.e. residing outside Europe)
North Korea could constitute IP addresses as a beverage by law. I wasn't discussing legality of storing IP addresses - I was discussing the practicality of physically identifying any particular user with that information.

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mrjawapa

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Re: I am thankful

I didn't step out of bounds. I took the precautionary actions any responsible adult would do.

You said yourself it isn't your job to deal with staff.
It wasn't a precautionary measure, it was a petty way to get at megalamb.

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XxAtillaxX

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Re: I am thankful

You said yourself it isn't your job to deal with staff.
It wasn't a precautionary measure, it was a petty way to get at megalamb.

It wasn't. I revoked his moderator privileges prior to that when he was raging towards Phinarose specifically, during the time when he called her an "ungrateful ****" and was writing in all caps and generally acting **** towards the entire team. I did it for the same reasons, I didn't want entirely preventable damage to occur merely due to a temper tantrum over something ridiculous.

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Re: I am thankful

I'm starting to feel like NVD was the one who messed up. Why did he let Atilla get involved without making him an admin? If Atilla had been made an admin I would have gotten involved and helped the community out about this long ago but instead I've been given the false impression that Atilla's just a regular user with great hacking powers and direct communication with our Mystery Developer.

NVD, please help us.

Nebula

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Re: I am thankful

I'm starting to feel like NVD was the one who messed up. Why did he let Atilla get involved without making him an admin? If Atilla had been made an admin I would have gotten involved and helped the community out about this long ago but instead I've been given the false impression that Atilla's just a regular user with great hacking powers and direct communication with our Mystery Developer.

NVD, please help us.

>I'm starting to feel like NVD was the one who messed up
>NVD, please help us.

heh, trouble causer that caused problem now helps in the problem

Zoey2070

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Re: I am thankful

what HAVE I interferred with in the past few months?

who's a moderator and who's not?

what have you given back to the community exactly

okay.
decorations 2
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well, i was a moderator on the forums. bit of a biggin.
winter campaign
i was a judge in the design contest... if you'd forgotten about that already. remember that spreadsheet? remember the person who wrote the results post? remember who was going to create the winning graphics when we didn't realize cola1 had made it? that was me. you're welcome.
i helped a lot with the block tagging project.
i've also publicly called out EE mods for sucking. remember that? remember how i got harassed and blamed for master1 being demodded?
uhh. i've won contests. had a world i worked on in a campaign.
made a big ol' table about campaigns.
i was a judge for the going home contest -- several of the worlds from that are in the storytime campaign.
probably more but eh

You said yourself it isn't your job to deal with staff.
It wasn't a precautionary measure, it was a petty way to get at megalamb.

It wasn't. I revoked his moderator privileges prior to that when he was raging towards Phinarose specifically, during the time when he called her an "ungrateful ****" and was writing in all caps and generally acting **** towards the entire team. I did it for the same reasons, I didn't want entirely preventable damage to occur merely due to a temper tantrum over something ridiculous.

which isn't your place to prevent? it wouldn't have happened anyways. it wouldn't have been your responsibility.
(also, you complain about him banning you in-game for something that happened out of game, but then demod him, in-game and out of game, for something that happened out of game? ok)

I did it on Phinarose's behalf and with her express permission.

this still isn't your place to do as you aren't an administrator. plenty of other people who could have done it.

where were you when Oliver was an unknown

telling people he existed?

where were you when CJMaeder was an unknown?

asking NVD what his role was?

as for peter and mrvoid (and oliver), none of those were from the community so i wasn't concerned with them? also i was like 14 and ee was, if you remember, at its peak still.

you've been a troublemaker the entire time you've played ee. you're continuing to fuel this drama and basically call everyone stupid for not agreeing with you, you called a fellow staff member a racial slur and demodded him. why the **** would you even call someone the n-word???
"he called my waifu an ungrateful **** so i demodded him"
that seems a little overkill? he was demodded for several hours and you had plenty of time to re-mod him but didn't. it wasn't your place to do that. you're a developer. you develop. leave administrating to the administrators, which, y'know, is what you say you do anyways.
(also by this logic you should have been removed from staff for calling someone the n-word)

so you do things that aren't what your position on the team dictates. that's a little concerning. who are you going to demod next? are you going to just demod everyone and take the game for yourself? who even knows with you.

as for someone who's not friends with thegame, you sure do have communication outside ee and the most commonly used places the community hangs out and have for years.

've only intervened to help my friends, and my motivation in doing so remains for that very reason.

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Re: I am thankful

It wasn't. I revoked his moderator privileges prior to that when he was raging towards Phinarose specifically, during the time when he called her an "ungrateful ****"

It's not your place to do so.

I did it for the same reasons, I didn't want entirely preventable damage to occur merely due to a temper tantrum over something ridiculous.

>Op, he got mad... we should all but fire him

What about the time you threw a temper tantrum because mrshoe didn't ask you to join the staff? Pretty ridiculous.

What about all the world crashing, dox'ing, hacking, banning, stealing, and spamming that you, showpath and the rest of your **** buddy entourage have done in EE? Maybe it wasn't all permanent damage, but it sure as hell had a negative impact.

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XxAtillaxX

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(also, you complain about him banning you in-game for something that happened out of game, but then demod him, in-game and out of game, for something that happened out of game? ok)

It isn't out of game to ban someone in-game, it only takes a few neurons to process. I took action against his action of taking in-game action against my action of calling him a rude name outside the game. Do I have to draw some sort of diagram for you two?

this still isn't your place to do as you aren't an administrator. plenty of other people who could have done it.

I don't need to be an administrator to assist a moderator with achieving their intended moderation duties. If you think I made an error go ahead and discuss it with an in-game administrator.

telling people he existed?

asking NVD what his role was?

You didn't ask what their permissions were or what they did or anything beyond their name. I wasn't asking if you merely acknowledged their existence, actually try to read what I've written.
CJMaeder had complete access to the back-end and when NVD told you his role was "helping" as the same applies to me, where were you ranting against him?

"he called my waifu an ungrateful **** so i demodded him"

I didn't remove his moderator privileges for that reason.

I removed them because not only was he extremely frustrated towards all of us, but he also said essentially "**** YOU GUYS IM OUT" when he's been saying he'd resign for quite a while, so I took it as a resignation and quite a rage-y one at that.

as for someone who's not friends with thegame, you sure do have communication outside ee and the most commonly used places the community hangs out and have for years.

    've only intervened to help my friends, and my motivation in doing so remains for that very reason.

I didn't say that I don't have any contact with him, again learn to read. To quote myself, "'m not really friends with thegame nor ogotu either, I rarely speak to either one of them"
keyword: rarely. I didn't say never.

and yes I've only intervened to help my friends, you're interpreting as though I'm to thegame when I already stated I'm not really friends with them.
I am referring to the people who asked me to help out with development and the like. I am referring to Jesse, Showpath and NVD.

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Re: I am thankful

I don't need to be an administrator to assist a moderator with achieving their intended moderation duties. If you think I made an error go ahead and discuss it with an in-game administrator.

That exact description could be used to describe a moderator's job.

XxAtillaxX

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Re: I am thankful

I don't need to be an administrator to assist a moderator with achieving their intended moderation duties. If you think I made an error go ahead and discuss it with an in-game administrator.

That exact description could be used to describe a moderator's job.

If they're unable to accomplish the exact functionality that their duty entails, I don't see anything inherently wrong with assisting them - they aren't unauthorized at all, they're limited by the shoddy design. I was given permission to do this very particular action on her behalf. If people are going to get upset towards me for doing unquestionably legitimate virtuous actions, then the standards set allows for quite literally any action whatsoever to be considered negative, even if extremely trivial.

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Zumza

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Re: I am thankful

Obviously Atilla has the biggest influence in the staff at this moment.

Above all his actions towards this game remain altruistic, as he is assuring that player's data remains intact, and contributing with open-source solutions for data backup.

And if we take this ad-hominem, we can't say NVD is all clean either; AFAIK NBot had a time period in which it was collecting passwords...

I'm not familiar with the behind the scenes reasons on why would NVD take again ownership over this game from NOU, in my opinion it was another step back. At that point NOU literally left with all the former staff (Thanel, Processor, etc.) leading up to this reshuffle.

NVD for me always leaved a bitter taste thought his actions, obtaining in my eyes the picture of a liar without shame, as he didn't stood up to his promises, and reckless, aggressing bad intended people instead of resorting to tact. And again he's reinforcing this image by taking this je m'en fiche attitude towards the inner conflict between his staff members.

Atilla critiqued MrShoe's Guardian idea and named them "his escape-goat". Ironically it seems that Atilla became the escape-goat himself but for NVD, as he takes owner-like actions in his name, and being a negotiator for our mysterious saviour.

As for Mega Lamb I don't know what further communication can he has with this defective administration as this disorganisation could drive mad even a sane person. Especially if someone wants to actually accomplish something.

EE currently has no leader and no direction and will likely end up being slowly slew by time.

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Zoey2070

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Re: I am thankful

WHY DID YOU CALL HIM A RACIAL SLUR THOUGH

NO MATTER WHAT HE DID, THAT'S **** UP???

unquestionably legitimate virtuous actions

you had no proof he was going to do anything in-game. you retaliated (demod) against his retaliation (banning) against your retaliation (calling him a racial slur) against whatever blah blah blah

you should not have demodded him. that's not your place to do so. and since you DID demod him, you should have REMODDED him shortly thereafter.

he also said essentially "**** YOU GUYS IM OUT"

"essentially" aka "he didn't say that at all"

so I took it as a resignation and quite a rage-y one at that.

so you just assumed he was going to resign and demodded him without making it clear that he was, in fact, resigning? why are you changing your story from "protecting ee" to "he was resigning so i removed his privileges!"

I don't see anything inherently wrong with assisting them

because, like moderation, it's "none of your concern"? you say "i won't do that because it's not what i'm here for" but then you'll do similar things anyways. "I WON'T DO IT UNLESS I CAN BENEFIT FROM IT"

If you think I made an error go ahead and discuss it with an in-game administrator.

right, jesse, showpath and nvd, who are your friends and who you'll intervene for on their behalf. okay. wait, weren't you complaining about nepotism? but you gained your position via nepotism. guess it's ok if it works in ur favor

I don't care if he banned me for calling him a **** or if he banned me because he didn't like the colour of my hair

hint: the one he banned you for is against ee rules, and you said it on an official ee site.

tl;dr: everything atilla does is for himself under the guise of being for others, no one is surprised. things are bad but if it's atilla who it involves it is good.

you're not the owner. stop pretending you are.

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Re: I am thankful

so atilla, who isn't a moderator, did moderator duties (technically) by unbanning someone,

I did it on Phinarose's behalf and with her express permission.

Since when is it Phinarose's right to unban people? If you sought her permission to do it, just give all the moderators the '/unban' ability and be done with it. Then you wouldn't have to intervene.

I never disagreed with the ban nor am I friends with Abysmal, megalamb is however.

I was always unbiased when it came to being a moderator. Just because someone is on my friends list does not prevent me from banning them, nor reducing their necessary ban length. Cite sources such as Master1 and Thwinkt over that. If I were truly trying to bias my view towards Abysmal, my investigation would have shown him to be completely and utterly innocent, and I would have tried to do everything I could to avoid him being banned at all.

why should atilla even HAVE the ability to interfere with everything to do with ee?

literally anyone with any sort of privilege to anything could hypothetically "interfere".

That's avoiding Zoey's question. I believe, to reword it in your own words, WHY should you have any sort of privilege in regards to Everybody Edits?

I wouldn't have if he were online, if it were any other moderator I would have done exactly the same.

Again, it wasn't a pressing issue that needed to be dealt with there and then, and I do not believe for a second if Phina had done the same thing, you'd have done exactly the same with her.

I haven't torn apart the staff. MegaLamb had an issue with me personally and he left because of it.

I'm glad we finally agree here, and you accept that I did have issues with you personally, and I left because of those issues. That's much better than your previous statement of claiming you had no part in my resignation.

Naturally, due to the very definition of "tearing apart the staff", you, admittedly metaphorically, tore me away from the team, so I would say Zoey's point stands that you did tear apart the staff, by separating one of the staff members from the rest of them.

The rest of the staff aren't bothered by me in the slightest.

Feel free to continue obliviously believing that.

I've done far more work behind the scenes than he has in comparison - you only see his contributions because they're campaigns (which are worlds created by others, so go figure)

Feel free to believe that too. I've done a lot more than just campaigns over the past 7 years.

I've never went after a friend of mine

Which is exactly why I do not believe you would have removed Phinarose's modship for the same issue.

I shared information about one person approximately 5 years ago who had been crashing and spamming worlds for more than a week straight, the vast majority of people were happy about that so by your standard of being on sides I suppose I'm in the right! (hint: I wasn't, obviously.)

Well, it's not much, but at least you recognise your were wrong at SOME point in your life.

where were you when MrVoid was an unknown? where were you when Oliver was an unknown? where were you when Peter was an unknown? where were you when CJMaeder was an unknown?

Where were we? Clearly oblivious that they were involved, because they were "unknown". A pointless line of questioning, especially as none of them, to my knowledge, revealed themselves as directly connected to staff until they were officially announced as such, unlike Atilla, who's been flaunting his power on Discord apparently.

I understand what you meant and so did NVD.

About time. #closure

I've seen you lash out at the rest of the staff and you had contradicted what you had told NVD, which was that you wouldn't attack the community, by banning someone from the community for calling you a rude name outside of the game.

Make up your mind. Are you a member of the community, or a member of staff? According to you and Phina, I'm not allowed to discuss certain staff matters with any members of the community, and yet, if you're just a simple member of the community, you certainly shouldn't be anywhere near the Staff Slack.

You have to decide - Staff or Community Member? If you're staff, I didn't lash out at the community. If you're a community member, you should be kicked from the Staff Slack, and should never have been invited in the first place.

So which is it?

Do I have to draw some sort of diagram for you two?

Yes please. If it starts with you calling me the N-word, we know who was in the wrong first.

I don't need to be an administrator to assist a moderator with achieving their intended moderation duties.

Again, if moderation duties included unbanning, I'd agree with you, but they don't, which still means you had no right to do so.

I removed them because I took it as a resignation.

So now, contrary to previously claiming you removed them because I was somehow abusing the power (your Reason 1), or I somehow "threatened" the community (which I didn't, but that's your Reason 2), you're now adding that you misinterpreted what I said as a resignation (your Reason 3)?

Either you've contradicted yourself again, or you could attempt to argue it was some combination of the 3, but I doubt that's the case, as I believe you would have chalked it up to me resigning from the beginning, and wouldn't have mentioned power abuse or threats at all.

You're flailing as your arguments get weaker, and, worryingly, when you no longer have the energy to argue, I fear you may end up lashing out at the community, and abusing your power. I think you should take a step back, and do whatever it is your "job" in this community is.

I've only intervened to help my friends, and my motivation in doing so remains for that very reason.

Thus, biased, which is why you shouldn't be allowed to assist in any moderation decisions.

I've only intervened to help my friends.

So which friend were you helping by removing my modship? Phinarose? What did she think I was going to do to harm her?

I have evaluated my actions and I take full responsibility for taking them. I don't consider what I've done as wrong in respect with the circumstances surrounding the event.

Including calling me the N-word?

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