Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Pyromaniac · 2016-03-01 03:56:24

Ok- i've been loosely keeping up on this but I've gone back and CAREFULLY ( ) re-read everything. Here are some reads on the hot topic issues

Rhaz- He's just not great at this game, I think. The first game I played with him I was SO convinced he was mafia (like you guys) because he was SUPREMELY aggressive, and randomly accused people, and was all around abrasive. Unfortunately, I was wrong, and people called ME the village idiot for some reason even though he was so clearly being scummy. I'm not bitter. So I'd be careful to judge his alliance based solely on his temperament. That being said, that first game, he claimed right away Vigilante (which he hasn't done here). This is a difference in play style that may be suspicious?

Overall, he's being really pushy and as much as I want to say that incriminates him, it IS consistent with former games.

Calicara- I've played with her as mafia before. Her strategy then was to play the fool, so people wouldn't suspect her. She isn't really doing that here, I dont think. So unless she changed her play style (which is totally plausible) I dont think she's suspicious at the moment.

AlphaJon- I got 0 scum reads from this guy, I have no idea where Rhaz got this idea.

Ninja- His voting is haphazard, true, but has he even posted anything recently?

Thats all the thoughts I have so far..

It does strike me a little odd that people zeroed in on Rhaz, given his history with mafia. Maybe they're ganging on up on him because they know he's a really easy target to shift the blame onto?

N1KF

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 08:12:46

I'd like to hear ninja's point of view, because atm we only have one side of the story.

W24

Onjit · 2016-03-01 14:22:25

here's a super professional diagram expressing my thoughts on the Rhaz v. Ninja thing.

TaskManager · 2016-03-01 14:24:43

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

Anyways, I'm Sheriff. I got a Mafia result on Ninja last night.

look i can say that too
anyways im sheriff i got mafia result on rhazzle last night
doesnt mean its true yet?

look, we have 2 candidates for lynch - rhazzle and ninja
almost certainly 1 of them is scum
we can lynch both and if the first one we lynch is town then 2nd must be mafia?
then again its not 100% guaranteed that 1 of them is scum and if we lynch both and both turn out citizens then were pretty much bimpsed

!vote RhazzleFrazzle
i might pull the vote off if you convince me youre really a sheriff

Creature · 2016-03-01 16:04:35

Votecount 2.4

[2] Ninja - RhazzleFrazzle, W24
[2] RhazzleFrazzle - Anak, maxi123
[0] Onjit
[0] Anak
[0] maxi123
[0] Calicara
[0] Pyromaniac
[0] W24
[0] AlphaJon
[0] Kaslai

[0] No lynch
[6] Not voting: Onjit, Calicara, Ninja, Pyromaniac, AlphaJon, Kaslai.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-03-01 16:52:31

Maxi weren't you agreeing with me when I was saying Ninja was scummy? Why suddenly defend Ninja because I claimed Sheriff?

TaskManager · 2016-03-01 17:22:19

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

because I claimed Sheriff?

actually
thats not the cause
and ninja more or less explained himself
i cant just ignore your nonsense vote on alpha

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-03-01 17:26:48

Are you serious Maxi? Ninja hasn't even posted today. Where exactly did he explain himself?

Calicara · 2016-03-01 18:06:59

Well the day is technically over, but I just wanted to get a post in.

I haven't seen anyone else claim sheriff, and the way Rhazz was asserting himself would make sense considering his role. I believe him, but I just think it's foolhardy to reveal at such an early stage in the game.

That being said, it still doesn't explain his vote on AlphaJon. Ninja I can unserstand, Alpha not so much.

maxi123 wrote:

actually thats not the cause
and ninja more or less explained himself
i cant just ignore your nonsense vote on alpha

Ninja has not explained himself and I expect to hear a statement from him once the night is over.

W24

Anak · 2016-03-01 19:18:37

!unvote

All but Ninja have posted so I can safely repeal my vote. Maxi, I don't see why you choose to vote now. There's no convincing to be done. No one else has owned up to sheriff. (If Ninja does, well, that'll be wild)
With that:

!vote Ninja

Kaslai · 2016-03-01 19:50:35

I was thinking about the game last night.

We're practically in MyLo right now. If the mafia is collaborating with the witch, then a mislynch will lead to a 3 mafia 1 witch 4 town result, and the rest of the game is then a formality.

If mafia is not collaborating with the witch, then a mislynch isn't an outright loss, but it'll be much harder for us to win.

Rhaz has confirmed that either he or Ninja is scum, but we don't know for sure which one is which. Rhaz is awfully aggressive and Ninja is awfully defensive. Personally, I think we should !vote No Lynch and see what happens overnight.

The worst case scenario is that we get one town death. The best case scenario is mafia attacks a veteran on alert or jailed/healed town, leading to either -1 for both sides or no change at all, respectively.

I'm still leaning towards Ninja being scum over Rhaz, but I'd rather hedge a bit. A night's-worth of information could change this game significantly in our favor.

Anak · 2016-03-01 19:54:53

Kaslai wrote:

Rhaz has confirmed that either he or Ninja is scum, but we don't know for sure which one is which. Rhaz is awfully aggressive and Ninja is awfully defensive. Personally, I think we should !vote No Lynch and see what happens overnight.

You know, that didn't occur to me. We have, what, a day left? If Ninja doesn't post within that time, he'd either be taken off for inactivity, or we'll just lynch him.

!unvote
!nolynch

It may seem like I'm chaning my mind on voting very quickly within a short amount of time, but this genuinely didn't occur to me.

Creature · 2016-03-01 20:06:49

Votecount 2.5

[2] Ninja - RhazzleFrazzle, W24
[1] RhazzleFrazzle - maxi123
[0] Onjit
[0] Anak
[0] maxi123
[0] Calicara
[0] Pyromaniac
[0] W24
[0] AlphaJon
[0] Kaslai

[1] No lynch: Anak
[6] Not voting: Onjit, Calicara, Ninja, Pyromaniac, AlphaJon, Kaslai.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

If your vote wasn't counted, tell me.

Kaslai · 2016-03-01 20:13:15

Creature wrote:

If your vote wasn't counted, tell me.

Kaslai wrote:

I think we should !vote No Lynch

I am sad now. Was it because I didn't say !nolynch specifically or was it because you just didn't see?

!nolynch

Anak · 2016-03-01 20:14:00

Your vote needs to be on a separate line.

Kaslai · 2016-03-01 20:16:29

Ah, thanks. I wish I had a more substantial reply than this, but this is all I have to say...

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 20:23:57

Tbh I find it weird that Rhaz waited that long to roleclaim. If he did it right from the beginning, he would have gained trust, and honestly, bringing the mafia number down to 2 would have been hugely beneficial, and after that I suppose he would get some protection overnight.
Now for something important you apparently forgot: The lookout died! Which means that for a sheriff to actually be there, it has to be part of the random town, which is unlikely considering the number of roles, and on top of that, the role would have to go to rhaz, which reduces the chance of him being sheriff down to around 1%.
So I will hold my first intuition, and

!vote RhazzleFrazzle

Btw the mafia has to hit twice to kill the witch, which effectively delays the "LyLo" situation by one night, assuming they don't collaborate(because to collaborate, they would need to know each other).

Creature · 2016-03-01 20:27:13

Votecount 2.6

[2] Ninja - RhazzleFrazzle, W24
[2] RhazzleFrazzle - maxi123, AlphaJon
[0] Onjit
[0] Anak
[0] maxi123
[0] Calicara
[0] Pyromaniac
[0] W24
[0] AlphaJon
[0] Kaslai

[2] No lynch: Anak, Kaslai
[5] Not voting: Onjit, Calicara, Ninja, Pyromaniac.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

If your vote wasn't counted, tell me.

Anak · 2016-03-01 20:30:23

He had no reason to claim earlier. Plus, he wouldn't have had anyting on Ninja before last night anyways. There are two random town roles, I don't see why it's not plausible Rhazh got sheriff on one of them.
If no one else speaks up, we can assume that Rhazh is sheriff (and we only have Ninja left to) Forgive me for assuming but I'm guessing you're voting him because of his random vote on you, (which I also disagree with) which kind of catalyses everything
Granted we're running out of time, but lynching Rhazh seems like a worse and worse option this time around.

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 21:15:19

Why would you think I'm voting him as retialation? I still don't take his vote on me seriously at the time of this post.
However, the fact that Ninja doesn't post is annoying me, to the point that I would vote him if he doesn't reply.
In the meantime my bet's still on Rhaz.

TaskManager · 2016-03-01 21:19:15

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

Where exactly did he explain himself?

Calicara wrote:

Ninja has not explained himself

that was the previous day but yeah i did notice that ive been thinking of him as of town way too much just because of the "ninja vs rhazzle" thing

seriously though people
why nolynch?
if rhazzle is telling truth about being sheriff (which i start to believe more and more) then ninja is either scum or got framed. we dont know whether there is a framer so thats a 50/50
ive rethought this stuff and it is quite confusing to me but now im leaning towards ninja more (again)
if we lynch ninja then: ninja town = rhazzle is a lier or we got a framer (50/50); ninja mafia/witch = rhazzle was saying truth and hopefully a town protective will defend him after the hardclaim
if we lynch rhazzle: rhazzle sheriff = we lost a PR and ninja is still scum/framed 50/50; rhazzle witch = was lying to increase chances of mislynch while using the shield ability to survive after the hardclaim in case mafia attacks during the night; rhazzle mafia = was lying to increase chances of mislynch and own innocence; ninja is most likely innocent but could be witch
out of all that.. i dont even know, rhazzle's hardclaim seems quite truthful now so i guess ill do the next thing:

!unvote
!vote ninja

yes im jumping from side to side and that looks stupid but the situation changes all the time and i rethink stuff sometimes
either way nolynch is just dumb, it would in no way help town

AlphaJon wrote:

Tbh I find it weird that Rhaz waited that long to roleclaim.

i guess the hardclaim was his last resort

Calicara wrote:

Well the day is technically over, but I just wanted to get a post in.

Anak wrote:

Granted we're running out of time,

actually we still have 1 day and 20 hours left...

CREATURE DONT MISS OUT MY VOTE IN MIDDLE OF THE POST PLS

Creature · 2016-03-01 21:29:54

Votecount 2.7

[3] Ninja - RhazzleFrazzle, W24, maxi123
[1] RhazzleFrazzle - AlphaJon
[0] Onjit
[0] Anak
[0] maxi123
[0] Calicara
[0] Pyromaniac
[0] W24
[0] AlphaJon
[0] Kaslai

[2] No lynch: Anak, Kaslai
[5] Not voting: Onjit, Calicara, Ninja, Pyromaniac.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

Not missed

Onjit · 2016-03-01 21:30:02

!nolynch

I'd rather not get this wrong

Calicara · 2016-03-01 21:47:19

I'm sorry the clock I looked at said 0:00:00. Oh well lol.

!nolynch

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 21:52:01

Well, if there is no lynch, let's just hope the vigilante will get it right, if there is one, because the Rhaz/Ninja issue will still not be solved.
PS: Ninja's last post was more than 24hours ago (more than 48 actually), I think Creature should prod him.

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