Mafia 4 game thread (Day 2)

Creature · 2016-02-12 23:50:04

Evilbunny wrote:

I'm sure 90% of us here are unfamiliar with what a witch is. Can you explain?

Usually, a witch can force a player to target another player of the witch's choice.

Calicara · 2016-02-12 23:57:07

Sorry if you're town but I'm gonna trust Proc on this one. Also my day 1 chat was just me being silly. Please don't take it too seriously.

!vote Maxi123

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-02-12 23:58:32

Vote count:

Processor:Maxi123

Maxi123:Calicara, Processsor

Processor · 2016-02-12 23:58:33

Creature wrote:

The biggest evidence against me is that I was roleblocked and there were no mafia kills, but did you ever take in consideration what I said about Anak?

Yes I have considered it:

Processor wrote:

Second, if you noticed, I am so far the only one who claimed to be roleblocked.
This is odd, agreed, but I doubt anak would be playing suck a risky gambit. It would be very different from his playstyle in the past games.

Anak attacking someone you doesn't really change my opinion about you.

*snip*
I am going to assume that Creature was RB'd only once.

So: We don't know who received the roleblock. The three reasons for that are:
a) AFK
b) They are the mafia and are currently enjoying that we are being misled.
c) Anak lied about everything

If the second statement is true, Anak would be telling the truth.

Anak's reaction makes sense in so many ways here.

EDIT: Removed soemthing on mod's request.

Anak · 2016-02-13 00:01:27

Calicara wrote:

Also my day 1 chat was just me being silly. Please don't take it too seriously.

I'm not counting Day 1 at all tbh, everyone was joking about and I don't think there was anything serious there so...

Who hasn't yet posted/contributed (or not much) since the start of Day 2? It would be worht their while to speak up.

Processor · 2016-02-13 00:02:43

Ignore my last post, I'll fix and repost it in a second.

Processor · 2016-02-13 00:15:39

Creature wrote:

The biggest evidence against me is that I was roleblocked and there were no mafia kills, but did you ever take in consideration what I said about Anak?

Yes I have considered it:

Processor wrote:

Creature wrote:
Second, if you noticed, I am so far the only one who claimed to be roleblocked.
This is odd, agreed, but I doubt anak would be playing suck a risky gambit. It would be very different from his playstyle in the past games.

Anak attacking someone doesn't really change my opinion about you.

I have asked RhazzleFrazzle and confirmed that a double roleblock is detectable by its target. I am going to assume that Creature was RB'd only once.
So: We don't know who received the roleblock. The three reasons for that are:
a) AFK
b) They are the mafia and are currently enjoying that we are being misled.
c) Anak lied about everything

If the first/second statements are true, Anak would be telling the truth. Anak's reaction just makes sense in so many ways here. I can't see how the scumanak would behave in such a way.
If you are paranoid you could have a neutral opinion on him, but definitely not scum yet.

Calicara · 2016-02-13 00:38:09

I have not seen much from Hostage, W24, Smitty, Tako, and Bobithan.

Processor, Creature, TaskManager, Hostage

TaskManager · 2016-02-13 01:38:51

Processor wrote:

maxi123 wrote:
show me that line where i referred to creature and defended him
Ok here you are:
maxi123 wrote:
Calicara, in response to Creature wrote:
And you are? I'm getting a scum reading from you already, attacking me on D1. Smh
cali pls
get the joke lol
dont repeat ur defensive crap from game 3
Calicara was accusing Creature and you told her to back off. Isn't that defending him?

i didnt tell her to back off. i told her that its a joke. wtf?

Processor wrote:

Winning chances if we don't lynch at all: 0%
Winning chances if we lynch randomly: >1%
It is almost always better to lynch someone instead of nobody. Scum aren't going to kill themselves during the night, you know...
Town lost the mafia game 2 by just nolynching.

town lost mafia game 3 by mislynching
while i can agree that nolynching all the time will make us lose, lynching should be done VERY carefully. how many times town lynched a scum in games 2 and 3 together? just once i guess

Processor wrote:

Seriously, you exactly know that I don't want a mislynch either.

well, maybe? thats if youre town

Processor wrote:

YOU are the person who is changing the meaning of MY statement (which is: we still should lynch the scummiest person, even if they could unfortunately be a town member).

the first time you worded it like "lets just lynch someone"

Processor wrote:

You already stated that you think a lynch today could result in a mislynch and that's why you think we should not lynch anyone.
Then you go ahead and vote to get me lynched, what the hell, that is such a contradiction.

i guess i overreacted since what you done so far wasnt enough for a good scum read

also, you said i want to get rid of attention, do you really think i would go head-on against you, playing agressive if im scum?

!unvote
while this now made me look just stupid and wont defend me in any way i want to point out two things:

first is:

Calicara wrote:

I have not seen much from Hostage, W24, Smitty, Tako, and Bobithan.

this is a very good point, while we are blaming eachother the scum might be hiding under the radar

second:

Processor wrote:

Creature still looks scummy, his argument about not killing if he were mafia makes 0 sense (and I know that he is capable of proper argumentation).

while what i will now say will make us look like buddies a lot and is sort of a claim, i can guarantee you that creature is not a mafia, this is not a read or anything based on evidence, but rather something related to my role. and he is not a SK either because he was RBed yet SK did a kill this night
so creature is not the person we should aim at with the lynch today

TaskManager · 2016-02-13 01:43:12

a purposeful no-kill for mafia makes much more sense now, look what chaos it caused

W24 · 2016-02-13 02:37:24

!lynch maxi123

TaskManager · 2016-02-13 02:53:22

W24 wrote:

!lynch maxi123

y'know, you could at least say why or say you agree with proc
not just tossing a random accussation at first, then being silent and rolling in after with a random lynch vote

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:00:41

Explain your vote W24.

Confbias (saying "hey, I agree with proc so this is a vote") is a pretty weak excuse. Put some effort into your votes.

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:03:14

W24 / Hostage / Tako / SmittyW seem to be very hard to read due to their lack of dedication. I'd be glad if our investigators could check em tonight.

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:04:56

I don't trust this town to not hammer the vote on maxi while I'm asleep. It has happened in the last two games.

My vote still stands formally, but I am going to
!unvote
just to have a peace of mind.

Pyromaniac · 2016-02-13 03:10:04

I'm getting bad vibes from w24 still. I know it's probably that he's just new, but it seems awfully scummy to just point fingers without proper argumentation all while staying under the radar.

Also maxi, I think playing aggressively isn't a valid alibi. You were in the last game and saw how people claimed mafia was always passive. So if you're mafia you might have been trying to place suspicion on calicara or whoever through "jokes"..

I'm still not 100% sure of where I stand on any of you- I'll try to collect my thoughts and post reads later.

Pyromaniac · 2016-02-13 03:12:24

As for the lynch vs nolynch situation, I say we lynch. I get what you're saying, maxi, but this no kill situation was probably luck and isn't likely to happen again. So if we give them more and more time, it's not gonna end well.

But let's be careful.

Processor · 2016-02-13 03:17:29

"Players may No Lynch in order to maintain an odd number of living players, which is mathematically advantageous." - MafiaScum wiki
That only applies when there is one killing force (mafia), and not when we have an extra SK.

@Anak: Please explain why you thought RBing Tako was a good idea. It seems like an odd choice...

W24 · 2016-02-13 03:35:42

Processor wrote:

Explain your vote W24.
Confbias (saying "hey, I agree with proc so this is a vote") is a pretty weak excuse. Put some effort into your votes.

Gonna explain. I haven't been posting much since I'm new to this game. About my vote, if you look back to maxi's previous posts, he's been defending himself a bit. He was also defending creature. If they were both mafia, they could be working together.

Evilbunny · 2016-02-13 03:49:27

Defense is part of the game, it isn't a reason to believe somebody is mafia. Everybody should and does defend themselves.
I don't like your reasoning.

Lynching must happen, it's how we protect ourselves. But we need solid reason and judgement behind it. A mys-lynch is worse than no lynch, but it is a necessary risk.

W24 · 2016-02-13 03:57:27

Evilbunny wrote:

Defense is part of the game, it isn't a reason to believe somebody is mafia. Everybody should and does defend themselves.
I don't like your reasoning.
Lynching must happen, it's how we protect ourselves. But we need solid reason and judgement behind it. A mys-lynch is worse than no lynch, but it is a necessary risk.

Post numbers #162, #163 and #169 are a bit suspicious to me. He's kinda over defending himself.

Evilbunny · 2016-02-13 04:10:32

Just so you guys don't have to scroll back and find those

▼#162

▼#163

▼#169

162 isn't really defense, 163 is completely valid pointing out Calicara's mistake and 169 is normal defense ending with a questionable vote. Nothing really warranting a vote on him.
Of course now people are gonna think I'm defending maxi when all I'm trying to do is question W24. yay.

Calicara · 2016-02-13 05:40:13

I also forgot to mention, I haven't heard a single post from Zoey either. (on D2) Hmm..... strange.

Zoey2070 · 2016-02-13 05:57:22

> don't post often consistently for four games (mostly because i'm lazy)
> still get called out for it
> mfw that's just how i play bc i have nothing valuable to input

came out to have a good time

feelin so attacked rn

and i'm pretty sure i posted something about how anak might be exe or consort
but right, i, the person who actually posts at least on occasion, is definitely more suspicious than the people who haven't posted at all

Zoey2070 · 2016-02-13 06:57:19

but hey if you'd rather me just continue to dank meme it up and make fluff posts just to satisfy not being considered afk or w/e fine

i think proc's tryina take control of the game; depending on whether he's a mafia-leader-let's-dupe-them or an actual trying-to-let-town-win-for-once; either way i think as a person who's hosted a mafia game, he's frustrated.

but as mentioned... at least once, both tako ? and creature were roleblocked. it's possible one of them is a mafia killer. I think not killing N1 is an interesting move and would be a good way to place blame on someone via who is roleblocked. tbt to when i didn't make a kill as an SK

proc wrote:

I believe [creature] had no intentions to tell us about the kidnap at all.

the other person who was RBed also isn't fessing up, so. creature didn't HAVE to confirm it, could have said she was lying. = muh chaos. i don't think creature's mafia.

i also think that proc is p quick to vote. hmm

after making a p nice albeit probably unreadable graph, i kinda think that whomever anak ended up roleblocking is mafia because... i guess it'd be too obvious if it was creature?
if they were mafia and anak was witched, they're virtually undetectable aka unconfirmable.

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