Death...

Muffy · Before February 2015

Death,a phase of the life cycle.When you die,anything could happen,this is like asking if the universe went on for ever spatially at 5600's topic here.Though many religions emphasis on what they believe in after your death.Well I suggest that we would just sit there and rot to death,like when your in your deepest sleep cycle,you think of nothing and don't feel anything,that's what I think happens.I would like to know what your opinion is when you "die".

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St Cool · Before February 2015

Well when you die you linger around the world of the living for a while as a plus (Good soul) then if you are found my a Shinigami they will take you to the soul society and there you will live until you die again, in which you will go through the cycle of rebirth back into the world of the living. Losing all you memory's.

SilverStar · Before February 2015

Against my religion, I am not sure if there is a heaven. Of course if there was there would be no way of knowing.

I am still of my adolescent age, therefore I am still quite confused of what I believe on these types of questions.

I suppose I believe similar to Muffinator, with the idea of just nothing.

But I do think dieing will hurt. Not when you are dead, but when you are dieing. (I mean all of your body IS shutting down.) In some unnatural deaths I suppose it wouldn't hurt because of all the adrenaline pumping through your veins.

Then again, I have never died.

So just live your life for what it's worth and stop thinking about it. You will find out when it is time.

Zoey2070 · Before February 2015

When you die, that's it. Bam. Nothing. Zero, zip, nada. You're buried 6 feet under but you don't know that because your brain isn't working. Nothing is happening. It's very boring and hard to imagine not being able to feel anything or even think anything or see anything or etc.
You don't have a soul. You just start rotting and decomposing and the energy goes in the ground, becomes nutrients for other living organisms who die. That's the circle of life (~?!).

It's sad, I know, and I almost wish I could have a reassurance by believing that we do go somewhere.
I also wish I could know what dying is like but as soon as I'll die I won't be able to know what it feels like. How bittersweet. Such is the way of life, I suppose.

St Cool · Before February 2015

Zoey but in your opinion then it isn't a cycle of life it's a line of life because it just stops without looping.

Tako · Before February 2015

There is a touch of uncertainty that completely corrupts death. Will I go to heaven? Will I go to hell? Will I be in Limbo? Will it be painful? Will I still be awake, but paralyzed?

I think of it as going to sleep for a long time.

But as a piece of advice, the more time you spent fearing it, the less time you have to live life.

Carl Sagan was also interested in the afterlife, and I love his views:

"I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking.

The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides."

Zoey2070 · Before February 2015

St Cool wrote:

Zoey but in your opinion then it isn't a cycle of life it's a line of life because it just stops without looping.

I was referring to life in general. You're born, then you grow up, and die. Your death provides life for other things which also die which gives life which dies etc.
By dying, your body decomposes and gives zombies/carnivores/dirt energy/nutrients. That energy/nutrients goes into the animal/ground. That animal might be killed, giving whatever ate it more energy, which used to be your energy. And that goes on forever until everything dies.

Or you live > grow > have children that live and grow and have children etc.

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GKAbyss · Before February 2015

I've been thinking about this a lot recently.
Before someone is born, to that non-existent person, there is absolutely nothing, including an absence of nothing, as they cannot think, or take in any information. Without a mind to think or interpret the world or senses to experience it, there is nothing. It's just like the end of the world, it's like the world doesn't exist. It is an illusion that exists only when there are temporary windows to see the world, each with different panes of color, each one being able to see in a different way, and as soon as it is removed, all is forgotten that was seen. It's like dreaming about the world, but as soon as you wake up, you cannot remember it, or even remember that you had a dream in most cases.
When someone is born, they can take in information and interpret it, but only as far as what they can sense. It is like everything they cannot see does not exist, since everything in someone's world only involves their own experiences and thoughts, no one else's. When someone is alive, it is just like they are just an audience created to view the world with no purpose before disappearing again as they die. Again, they can only see what their senses allow them too, everything else is incomprehensible unless experienced. Humans can experience four dimensions, with time as the fourth, and unable to imagine any possible thing that higher dimensions could manifest themselves as. Could something that cannot experience time describe it?
When people die, their brains stop functioning and their bodies die, so they are no longer able to think. Even though someone may 'live on' in the things they did while alive, it is as if nothing exists, so aside from knowing what your actions did while alive, it is almost for nothing. The way the world is may be completely up to how a single person can view it, but it is viewed by many people, and does not revolve around a single person's thoughts. I mean that while the world, in a way, can only exist through a single person's senses, to that person's consciousness, there are many other people viewing the world in the same way.
When you are born you can think and interpret the world, but as soon as you die, there is absolutely nothing. Others are still alive and thinking, but you cannot know that, or even know you can't know it. It is as if the world you see is gone, as there is nothing left of what was used to see the world in your view.

Honestly I really hope there is an afterlife, or that ghosts are real, since it's really difficult to imagine that all we can look forward to is our death, like our lives are for nothing.

Sorry I keep repeating the same things over and over again, It's hard to explain what I'm trying to say, and as soon as I start typing when I finally think of a way, I forget and end up repeating what I had just said.

Adding to this... some other thoughts.
Supposing there is not a soul or something similar to it, reincarnation, or anything like an afterlife is impossible. A person's thoughts are only within the brain, as soon as it dies, you don't exist, or neither does anything else from your point of view.

Just something interesting I thought of: Species do not try to survive, or anything, everthing just happens. Species adapt to survive only because the ones better at survival survive.

I was gonna say something else but forgot :/

EDIT: remembered, lol

In a way, everything is natural. It is natural for elements to exist, for cows to eat grass, or the existence of aliens from other planets. In a way, everything on the earth: jungles, oceans and even cities are all natural. If it is natural for apes to use sticks as weapons or to make tools from wood or rock, it is also natural for humans to make and use tools, or to use tools to make tools that they use. This would mean things like plastic, nuclear bombs and guns are natural.

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Cola1 · Before February 2015

Death makes me feel insignificant.

What's the point in living if you will just die?
Virtually you put huge amounts of effort into life only to have it all vanish from your memory when you die.

SilverStar · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

It is as if the world you see is gone, as there is nothing left of what was used to see the world in your view.
Adding to this... some other thoughts.
Supposing there is not a soul or something similar to it, reincarnation, or anything like an afterlife is impossible. A person's thoughts are only within the brain, as soon as it dies, you don't exist, or neither does anything else from your point of view.

That point of view is a wonderful description.

Perhaps there is something more than your brain that contributes to thought. If souls do exist, they would probably be undetectable. As Tako would say, this is wishful thinking.

One last thing. Why do the elderly choose to keep on living? It must be so hard to live elderly. I am sure it wouldn't be very hard to commit suicide as an old lady or an old man. They are so fragile already. But something to them makes it worth living even though it hurts. Most do not fear their deaths. Perhaps they know something we don't? More likely they have experienced something the younger haven't. Maybe this experience "hasn't come into our world view".

Twipply · Before February 2015

My experiences after death will be the same as before life.

SilverStar29 wrote:

I am sure it wouldn't be very hard to commit suicide as an old lady or an old man.

It may be easy physically, but perhaps not mentally.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

SilverStar29 wrote:

GKAbyss wrote:
It is as if the world you see is gone, as there is nothing left of what was used to see the world in your view.
Adding to this... some other thoughts.
Supposing there is not a soul or something similar to it, reincarnation, or anything like an afterlife is impossible. A person's thoughts are only within the brain, as soon as it dies, you don't exist, or neither does anything else from your point of view.
That point of view is a wonderful description.
Perhaps there is something more than your brain that contributes to thought. If souls do exist, they would probably be undetectable. As Tako would say, this is wishful thinking.
One last thing. Why do the elderly choose to keep on living? It must be so hard to live elderly. I am sure it wouldn't be very hard to commit suicide as an old lady or an old man. They are so fragile already. But something to them makes it worth living even though it hurts. Most do not fear their deaths. Perhaps they know something we don't? More likely they have experienced something the younger haven't. Maybe this experience "hasn't come into our world view".

I was asking my dad about this a year ago or something, and he said that people can just get tired of living, or something like that. Like having so many health problems, or already living for so long, they're just ready to leave. He said that when you have children, it's like part of you will continue on, so it's not like you're completely gone. I'm not sure exactly what he said, but I think it was something along these lines.

In a book, not going to say what book because of spoilers, at the end, something kills them, and by that time they are fine with dying because they are tired with life, they had already accomplished a lot, kind of, and had been through almost everything, so there wasn't anything left to try living for.

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Lashkar · Before February 2015

Nothing happens, you die, that's it. Anything else has nothing to do with you.

Kirby · Before February 2015

This is going to turn into the battle of the beliefs...

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

Not if everyone respect's others' beliefs and no one says something like "you're wrong" "you're lying" etc.
From what I can see anyway, is that everyone has the same or similar idea or opinion on death so far.

a3person · Before February 2015

Well since we have souls here's what I think. What if our soul get's trapped in our body as it's dead, what if we chose to roam the world instead of going up to heaven (if there is one). What if we we're able to "insert our soul" into a baby so we can live another life, and so on, and so on.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

It's annoying since we can't really know any of this until we die, and no matter what happens, we can't go around telling everyone about it, or someone would have already done so. :/
I do hope we turn into ghosts or that there is an afterlife, I really really hope that, though I'm not sure if I'll have the same thoughts by the time I die. Again it's annoying, since if there is an afterlife, or reincarnation, we can't tell anyone, or anyone we could tell would already know lol xP

Lashkar · Before February 2015

kirby1394 wrote:

This is going to turn into the battle of the beliefs...

Ah. It was already a battle of beliefs. AS the OP states

Muffinator99 wrote:

I would like to know what your opinion is when you "die".

Opinions seem to start battles alot.

Ratburntro44 · Before February 2015

Well, as per my beliefs of simulism, it would depend if the "universe" had backups. In that case, it would be possible for everything to exist again, even if it never knew it. Depending on how it was created, it may be possible for a heaven to exist; I don't really know. But if there are backups, then at least something would be preserved and possibly appear again.

Anyways, even so, most likely there would just be nothing. Although there's the possibility that somehow our mind imagines heaven in the moments before we die, making it seem to us as if we were in heaven.

Shift · Before February 2015

I'm very skeptical. I see no reason to believe in heaven, reincarnation, or nothing, over anything else, and so I'll just wait to see what happens. Each possibility is equally illogical.

Muffy · Before February 2015

Cola1 wrote:

Death makes me feel insignificant.
What's the point in living if you will just die?
Virtually you put huge amounts of effort into life only to have it all vanish from your memory when you die.

It's like making a level,and left or lagged,but you didn't save it!

Tako · Before February 2015

Shift wrote:

I'm very skeptical. I see no reason to believe in heaven, reincarnation, or nothing, over anything else, and so I'll just wait to see what happens. Each possibility is equally illogical.

To say death is void is a logical theory, seeing how all sensory organs no longer function. But naturally it is impossible to prove, to they all share a common ground of uncertainty, not logicality.

Master1 · Before February 2015

Well when you die, twinrova comes to you and asks you to choose ice or fire. Whichever you choose you have to spend an eternity with.

Shift · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

To say death is void is a logical theory, seeing how all sensory organs no longer function. But naturally it is impossible to prove, to they all share a common ground of uncertainty, not logicality.

Logic- inexorable truth or persuasiveness. Is the possibility of nothing after death an inexorable truth? I thought not.

This isn't a debate thread, is it? Let this go.

Tako · Before February 2015

Shift wrote:

TakoMan02 wrote:
To say death is void is a logical theory, seeing how all sensory organs no longer function. But naturally it is impossible to prove, to they all share a common ground of uncertainty, not logicality.
Logic- inexorable truth or persuasiveness. Is the possibility of nothing after death an inexorable truth? I thought not.
This isn't a debate thread, is it? Let this go.

Logicality - reasonable; to be expected: War was the logical consequence of such threats.

That's the definition I was using. It can be reasoned. Point was, it is rational to assume death is void. Saying death yields fields of cheese and mice would be a little bit irrational, although both could be possible.

But if you think it's irrational to assume death is void, go right ahead.

PS: I don't think Muffinator would mind talking about death on a death-related thread. If everyone just shared their opinions in complete harmony it would be boring.

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