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Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

So how are y'all feeling about another rousing game of Mafia? My last game honestly didn't go very well to be honest. Very high power, and I think the setup was scuffed. I aim to not repeat those mistakes.

There's no role modifiers to worry about in this game.

▼Game Info if you guys want to play

Here's some setup information since I know that ****'s important.

I was inspired to come up with the idea for the setup when studying the Baker role. It's a role that, when killed, starts a famine that will ultimately doom players who do not have food. This setup was something I created last year in July, so it's been a while, but I dug it up recently, and I'd like to share it with you.

The game will be a semi-open setup. That means all of the possible roles will be posted here, but not necessarily all of them will be used in the game.

The game's main gimmick revolves around a mechanic I'm calling "famine".

▼wth is the famine?

The game will ONLY* go into a famine state when a 2/3rds majority of all food producers die. The famine will also inevitably go into effect on Night 3, so if 2/3rds of all food producers did not die by that time, then the famine will start anyway.

In this game, food items are important to ensure your survival. Food producers produce food items, and those items can be passed around between players. During the famine, food becomes scarce. Each night of the famine, players must choose to consume one of their food items (this does not prevent them from performing their night action). If they do not choose a food item, or they have no food items, then they will die of hunger. A player with no food items can be saved if they recieve a food item that night, however. This means, in a sense, that food producers can act as pseudo Nurse-type roles during the famine for players that do not have any food. In any case, food is a hot commodity, thus it is advisable that all food producing players remain as protected as possible.

▼WTF are "food items"????

As stated in the above spoiler, players must consume 1 food item a night to stay alive during the famine. The food items are as follows; Bread, Vegetable, Fruit, Lobster, Fish, Potato, Cookie, and Milk. These items don't have any individual effects on their own. You might see the word "food items" and wonder if being given one of the items is the same as being given an ability. I promise you that it is not like that. Being given Bread is no different than being given a Potato

is what I would say if it were true both on paper AND in practice, but in practice, there is meaning in recieving Bread vs recieving Milk, for example. Each of the roles in this game start out with or produce different food items, and some roles can perform special actions with their food items. For example, the Milk Man role that you might all be familiar with from past games that I've hosted is a Mafia role whose ability is that they can give another player Milk to convert them into a member of the Mafia.

So, if someone were to investigate you and find out that you have Milk with you, it would make you look much more suspicious, even if it doesn't necessarily confirm you as the Milk Man. But that's the gist of food items and their significance in this game.

Food items can also be poisoned or contaminated. Maybe a fisherman pulled up a poisonous fish, and the poor Scavenger who took it from him didn't know any better. Or, maybe he slipped it to someone he wanted dead. Maybe the Mafia got a hold of some bread, poisoned it, and gave it to someone? Who knows...?

Poisoned food poisons any player that eats it. A player dies one night after eating poisoned food.

▼what the hell am I even supposed to do with food items?

Alright well since you didn't read the last two spoilers carefully enough, you have to consume them during the famine to survive. You consume one food item a night. It's really that simple.

Nah, I'm just pulling your leg, of course. There's one more important thing players can do with food items. During the night, you can !pass any number of food items to any number of other players. Doing so does not prevent you from performing your night action. So if you've got food in bulk and you'd really like to keep someone alive during the famine, you could consider sparing them a bite. Or you could say you will and actually don't. Or, you could send them over a food item that has been poisoned, if you want... The choice is yours, really.

For game reasons, you will only get an updated list of all food you have at the start of each night.

^ This is all setup information.

v This is a list of possible roles. I'd highly recommend you try to understand the setup information first before reading these, so you get a better understanding of why the roles are important.

Town Roles

Producers are marked with yellow instead of green.

Baker - Once per night, you can !bake two Bread for two different players. You visit both players to deliver them bread that night. You can't bake yourself bread.

Fruit Vendor - Once per night, you can !deliver a Fruit to a player. You visit that player to deliver them fruit that night. You can give yourself fruit.

Farmer - Once per night, you can !sow seeds. Doing so will yield a crop that grows quickly, ready to reap by the following night. Instead of sowing, you can instead !reap all of your previously planted crops; doing so will yield two Vegetable per crop. Alternatively, you can instead choose to !milk a cow, which will give you a Milk. You can only perform one of these actions a night.

Lobsterman - Once per night, you can !fish for some food. What you get on your line is up to random chance. 40% chance you catch a Lobster, 30% chance for Fish, 10% chance for a poisonous Fish, 10% chance you catch a Net, and a 10% chance you catch nothing. You can fish with a net you catch; doing so gives you two catches instead of one. You can tell the difference between poisoned fish and non-poisoned fish.

Sniffer - Once per night, you can !smell for a player's food. Declare one kind of food item; you get told if that player has that food item or not, and you also know how many of that item they have.

Prepper - You start the game with three uniquely different non-poisoned food items of your choice. While you are alive, other players can't take food from you, but you can still give food to other players.

Dairymaid - You start the game with a Milk.

Glutton - You start the game with a Cookie. While you are alive, you can't give other players food, also other players can't take food from you.

Hot Potato - You start the game with a Potato. The potato is hot, and anyone else holding it is roleblocked and can't recieve food from other players, also they can only pass the hot potato during this night and no other food. You know who holds the Hot Potato each night.

Chef - You start the game with a Lobster, a Vegetable, and a Milk. Once per night, you can !purify a food item, which cures it from being poisoned or contaminated. Being a culinary master, you can tell the difference between poisoned food and non-poisoned food.

Mafia Roles

Hoarder - You start the game with three uniquely different non-poisoned food items of your choice. While you are alive, other players can't take food from you, but you can still give food to other players.

Snooper - Once per night, you can !snoopthrough a player's belongings. Declare one kind of food item; you get told if that player has that food item or not, and you also know how many of that item they have.

Scavenger - Once per night, you can !scavenge food from another player, dead or alive. You take a food item from them, the first one they possess alphabetically; if they have multiple, you take any non-poisoned one first.

Milk Man - You start the game with a Milk. Once per game, during the famine, you can !deliver your Milk to one player of your choosing. That player's alignment changes, and they become a Mafia member alongside you. They get to keep their role and abilities.

Contaminator - Once per night, you can !contaminate any one food item you possess. You can pass that food item during the same night. A player who eats poisoned food will die at the end of the night after they ate it.

Neutral Roles

Survivalist - You start the game with a Bread, a Potato, and a Milk. While you are alive, other players cannot take food from you. You win if you survive to the end of the game.

Ravener - Once per night, you can !scavenge food from another player, dead or alive. You take a food item from them, the first one they possess alphabetically; if they have multiple, you take any non-poisoned one first. You win if you survive to the end of the game.

Cookies - You are neutrally aligned. You start the game with a Cookie. Your cookie cannot be taken from you, and you cannot give your cookie by any means other than the following; any player who visits you while you have that cookie is roleblocked, also if only one player visits you during the night, you give your cookie to them. Your alignment shifts to match their alignment, and you win if that player wins.

Neutral Evil

Cannibal - Once per night, you can !feast on another player, feeding you for the night and killing them. You can't eat a Mafia member this way. If you eat a poisoned player, you become poisoned and die the following night. You win when ALL other players are dead.

So if you're interested, all I need this time is around 10 players. I can make it work with less, if needed. The setup is going to look something like this, if I get 10 players:

Town Producer
Town Producer
Town Producer
Town
Town
Town
Mafia Contaminator
Mafia Other
Cannibal
(Randomly determined 10th roll)

If there's some roles that you think I'm an idiot for not including, comment below and we can have dialogue. I'd like to make sure the setup is as flawless as possible before the game thread even opens.

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2. 2b55b5g
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4. Norwee
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Abiqi

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

Idc that this setup is weird
!join

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2b55b5g

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

very interesting
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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

Epic
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NoNK

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

setup looks scuffed

Norwee

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

Can you make the basic setup info Norwee proof. (Idiot-Proof)

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

/in

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

I did screw up a little, but I've got an idea to make it better and also a little less complicated.

*ahem*

Attention all townsfolk; I've just recieved good news and bad news from the commissioner of this town. The good news is, we have more food than we thought! It seems we're on track to keep up with our citizens' hunger needs! We shouldn't be doomed to experiencing famine on Night 3 anymore. It should only occur now if we lose most of our producers, and nothing else can start the famine. Exciting!

Oh, yeah, there is the bad news. The commissioner said that they've identified a Cannibal as a threat amongst the townsfolk. We are working to identify the individual so keep on a lookout. We heavily encourage you all to take initiative, and take steps to remove suspicious folk in your area democratically.

(Basically, famine isn't inevitable anymore, and the Cannibal is now a guaranteed role. Also, there must be at least 1 vote death each day. I will work to reflect these changes in the OP. I did this because I realized that the Mafia did not have enough time to gather resources to survive an inevitable famine, while also struggling to make any kills until Night 4. The new changes means there's a death every day, and Cannibal means there's most likely a kill nightly and it won't be a mafia getting killed. So the game should be semi normal in play until famine hits. If any of you have any suggestions to make it more ideal, please do talk to me. )

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NoNK

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

What's with the random 10th role? Can it be anything? That's kind of scuffed

Abiqi

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

What's with the random 10th role? Can it be anything? That's kind of scuffed

it WAS GOING to be random, one of the option being cannibal
EDIT: nvm

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

Something not evil

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NoNK

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

Lobsterman being an RNG role is not fun, you're better off making it something deterministic, such as fishing at someone's house and having actions they take/characteristics of who you visited determine what you get, or having it alternate catching fish/lobster, or having a night action to be to poison a fish you caught instead of fishing, etc.

Cookies looks like a badly designed role, the idea is that you want exactly one person from whatever faction is winning to visit you at night? That is very low player agency and not fun to play as.

NoNK

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

I also haven't looked too closely at the famine mechanic and how many players it's expected to kill/put in danger compared to food out there, but you should probably run through some simulations of best case / worst case scenario for various factions and see how it goes

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

!in

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

I also haven't looked too closely at the famine mechanic and how many players it's expected to kill/put in danger compared to food out there, but you should probably run through some simulations of best case / worst case scenario for various factions and see how it goes

Thank you for the good advice, I'll run simulations soon and I'll provide updates as I get results.

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

I've decided for the time being that this is a bad idea. Should I ever come up with better mechanics for this, I will revitalize this topic. For now I'll consider the sign-up list void

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

I would have liked to play it.

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Re: Mafia 54 - The Great Famine [No Sign Ups]

I would have liked to play it.

The setup would probably have needed way fewer producers and the food would've needed to be more sparse, but the original idea was something I would have loved to host.

Sorry to disappoint

EDIT: Maybe the 3 town producers are fine but then the other guys would probably be best off as Vanilla

and maybe the Neutral Evil didnt need to be a thing either

EDIT: By the way I really don't mind if you take my ideas and use them elsewhere or if you just want to talk shop

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