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Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Welcome to Mafia 48 - Birthday Party! For those of you who don't know, today is my birthday (June 2), which is why I invited all of you here! We're having a party and a sleepover! I hope you all enjoy yourselves!

Here are the rules:

▼Game Rules

- One in-game day will last 72 hours. One in-game night will last 24 hours. Both may be ended early.
- Votes that are not made using the Bold or Header tags will not be counted. Self-votes are allowed.
- Do not game-throw, and no pushing and shoving in the bouncy castle!
- Follow the rules of the forums and please be nice. I didn't invite you all here to fight; I invited you all here to have fun!
- Red will be the color I will be using to make posts as the game moderator. Do not use this color or otherwise attempt to impersonate me. It's my birthday!
- Players may be prodded after 48 consecutive hours of inactivity by using the !prod <username> command. Players that are prodded for inactivity and don't become active within the next 48 hours will either be replaced or killed (if there are no replacements). Please don't fall asleep during the festivities!
- Do not discuss this game outside of this thread. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas! Okay, it's my house but you get the point.
- A lynch will not occur when a majority has been reached. A lynch can only occur when the day ends. Players can vote to end the day early by using the !endday command. When a day ends, all lynch votes will be counted, and whatever was voted for the most will be executed. If you do not vote, your vote will not be counted as a NoLynch. Players can vote to not lynch anyone during the day by using the !nolynch command. I love democracy.
- These rules totally weren't plagiarized from Norwegianboy's Werewolf game and anyone who says they are will promptly be licked.
- Talking is allowed during twilight. Players nominated for lynch may talk until the moderator has announced their death. Once you are dead, you are not allowed to talk in the thread until the moderator has ended the game. However you are allowed a single short post if it is unrelated to the game.
- Users not participating are not allowed to post in the game topic. If I didn't invite you, then you're not invited.
- Do not take screenshots or quote anything from your role pm. Do not post your Role Card ID. I made them as party favors for you all!

Here are the roles:

▼Roles

Vanilla Townie - Vanilla Townies have no special abilities. By default, they are aligned with the Town.
Nurse - Once per night, Nurses may choose one player; that player will not be killed tonight if they are targetted for a night kill. Nurses can select themselves, but they cannot choose the same player two nights in a row. By default, they are aligned with the Town.
Cop - Once per night, Cops may choose one player; the cop will learn whether or not the selected player is considered Dangerous. By default, they are aligned with the Town.
Vigilante - Once per game, during the night, Vigilantes may choose one player; that player will die. By default, they are aligned with the Town, but are considered Dangerous until they use their ability.
Mafia Goon - Mafia Goons have no special abilities. Once per night, they can choose to perform a kill on behalf of the Mafia faction by choosing one player; that player will die. By default, they are aligned with the Mafia and are considered Dangerous.
Milk Man - Once per game, during the night, Milk Men may choose one player; that player's faction changes to the Mafia Faction, and they keep their abilities. It must be Night 2 or later for the Milk Man to use this effect. Once per night, they can choose to perform a kill on behalf of the Mafia faction by choosing one player; that player will die. Milk Men can only use one of these effects per night. By default, they are aligned with the Mafia and are considered Dangerous.
Serial Killer - Once per night, Serial Killers may choose one player; that player will die. Serial Killers cannot be killed during the night by any member of the Mafia, and cannot be converted into a Mafia member by the Milk Man, but they can be killed by the Vigilante. By default, they are aligned with themselves, and are considered Dangerous.
There will only be one of each role, except Vanilla Townie. Therefore, there is only one Nurse, one Cop, one Vigilante, one Mafia Goon, one Milk Man, one Serial Killer, and 7 Vanilla Townies. The town wins when all the Mafia die. The Mafia wins if it holds a majority.

Here are some rulings regarding the game if anyone is confused:

▼Rulings

• If a Vanilla Town is converted into a Mafia member, they are converted into a Mafia Goon.
• If a Cop is converted into a Mafia member, they are converted into a Mafia Cop. They may still use their nightly ability to detect whether a player is dangerous or not, but they cannot use any other effect during the night.
• If a Nurse is converted into a Mafia member, they are converted into a Mafia Nurse. They may still use their nightly ability to defend a player during the night, but they cannot use any other effect during the night.
• If a Vigilante is converted into a Mafia member, they are converted into a Mafia Vigilante. They may still use their once per game ability to kill a player, but they cannot use any other effect during the night. This use of the Vigilante's ability does not count as the Mafia Faction's nightly kill, but the Mafia Vigilante will still be considered dangerous after it has used this ability.
• If a Milk Man targets the Serial Killer with their ability to convert a player to a Mafia Member, the effect will fail, and the Milk Man will not be able to use this ability again.
• Any player who has been converted to a Mafia member will not flip their new faction after dying; they will still flip the role card given to them at the beginning of the game.
• Ending the day with !endday requires a majority vote by the players. Ending the day this way will result in the person with the highest number of votes being lynched.
• Tying votes will result in me flipping a coin to decide which action occurs, so I highly recommend you do not attempt to do this.

And finally, here are a list of commands that you can perform during the game:

▼Commands

!vote <username> - This command can be used to vote for someone you want to lynch.
!nolynch - This command can be used to vote to skip lynching any players for the day.
!prod <username> - This command can be used to prod a player who has not been active in the thread in the past 48 successive hours.
!endday - This command can be used to vote to end the day early.
!votecount - This command can be used to request a full count of votes from the game moderator.
!confirm - This command can be used to confirm that you are active within the game in response to the role PM or a prod.
You can only use these commands in this thread! I will not accept any of these commands if they are made in a PM!

Here's the player list!

1. TaskManager
2. Onjit
3. Buzzerbee - Vanilla Town
4. andymakeer - Nurse
5. Luka504 - Vanilla Town
6. ShadowsEdge - Mafia Goon
7. Pqwerty
8. gabriellfs
9. 2B55B5G TNG - Vanilla Town
10. Peace - Vanilla Town
11. AllenCaspe9510
12. Norwegianboy - Serial Killer
13. MrJawapa - Cop

Now have fun, or else I'll open your present last!

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Yems
!confirm

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Oh, we're starting?

!vote peace

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

I can't wait for the game to end so I can hear Norwegianboy and Jawapa complain about how much everyone sucks, again.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Well, looks like I know who I'm going to investigate on the first two nights.

Haha, jk...

Unless..?

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Hey, what are you two whispering over there?

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

That actually is not a bad idea. If everyone writes fake reads, then if the real cop dies, we can use what they've said while they were alive.

All right, I'm game. I am a cop.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Well, there's no inherent harm in doing it d1, right?

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Why cant we do both, Norwegianboy? Why dont we hunt for scum while covering for the cop?

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Why not?

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

It's also real LAMIST (Look at me i'm so town!) opportunity for scum to go: "Yeah! What a great idea! I'm claiming cop guys!". Which is exactly what i did in Yandere mafia when Crybaby proposed that plan to claim and then lynch a Senpai and i pretended to be super enthusiastic about it. And i won the game because i kept pointing to the fact that i went along with what people thought were a pro-town strategy but which really just served as a great source of deception.

You've yet to point out why the strategy itself is bad. I think it may be a LAMIST move, too, but I still think the idea Pqwerty proposed is a good one. Surely allowing the cop to freely disclose reads is ultimately only beneficial for the town. If you don't want to trust me, that's fair, but I still think we should try this.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

So you are indirectly saying that you think your own recent posts are suspicious...?

Don't get me wrong here, I said it *could* be a LAMIST move.
What pqwerty said could be a LAMIST move, but that doesn't make him automatically suspicious for suggesting it, because what he said could also be genuine.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Oh, we've entered the wall of text phase of the game. Great.

I've been researching the hypo strategy more (and by that I mean I read two mafiascum topics) as well as reading through Shadow and Pqwerty's debate to get a better idea of how good of a strategy this is. Ultimately I still think it can work, because the mafia can't just snipe someone who's on the right track as they're never sure of whether that someone is just bluffing. It'd look mighty suspicious if they only killed the people who are correct, so they'd have to kill off other people to try and throw us off. But considering the general unwillingness for most people to go along with it, it lowers the probability of a non-cop correctly guessing on the first couple of nights, making it no longer as viable.

Ultimately, Norboy rubs me the wrong way. Even though he fought against the hypo strategy, I considered his replies to my interrogation perfectly reasonable and even town-like. But I feel like Norwegianboy should know better than trying to form a townblock so early in the game, when information is scarce and unreliable. The way I see it, the earlier a townblock is formed, the more likely it is scum had created it, and because the bonds which tied the players together are weaker (thanks to having rushed the formation of said townblock), the bonds are more easily shattered as well.

I consider Pqwerty and Onjit to be town, as well. I think pqwerty is putting in too much effort for this to be a LAMIST strategy, and onjit seems to be his usual cool yet reasonable self. And the fact that they're likely town makes Norboy's attempt to group them with himself all the more sketchy.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

It's sketchy for me to ask my townreads to vote someone i don't townread? How so?

I've already told you. Trying to townblock so early in the game is, in general, more beneficial to scum, and you should know better than to try a tactic like that. You and onjit may trust each other now, but you both have very little information to base that trust off of. Connections as frail as that easily break apart if you two find you aren't as compatible as this one situation made you think you were. Trying to form a townblock later in the game, when you've had far more time to interact with someone, is far more logical, no?

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Even though I myself townread pqwerty and onjit, I don't trust them that much yet, since holding up a facade is far easier early on in the game, and for all I know, it could all be a ploy.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Jesus Christ do you read what I write

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

The best way to organize blocks as town is to not try and form blocks.

There's nothing inherently wrong with townblocking, but effective townblocks form organically. So when I say you should not try and form blocks, I mean you shouldn't create one artificially. Townblocks should form when they form. And when it does form this way, it'll most likely be without the influence of scum and be harder for scum to break up, because, the slower it is to infiltrate a townblock, the harder it becomes for scum to slip in and disrupt things.

Think of a townblock like a relationship. If you go in only having known the person for a day, you're far more likely to have that friendship/relationship fail, simply because you learn that you're not nearly as compatible as that initial common factor would suggest you were. The same concept applies to blocks. The earlier they form, the more frequently they fall.

Thus, as scum, a good strategy would be asking to form a townblock. The earlier a townblock forms, the easier it is to dismantle, infiltrate, or otherwise influence later on.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

While what you're doing might be genuine, as I've said before, it's a strategy that would benefit the scum to propose.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Wouldn't the town notice if they were being fake?

Hypothesizing that someone is scum is far less likely to happen on day one than, say, day four, which is exactly why asking for a townblock so early is detrimental. Facades are easier to keep up in the early game, after all.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Bruh.

!lynch norboy

I've said more than enough. There's no way I'm gonna convince you that you're scum, so I'm leaving it at that and letting everyone else decide what to make of this conversation.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Yeah that's what I meant. You can't convince a townie they're scum, because they're not, and you can't convince scum they're scum, because they already know.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

I concur, the particularly quiet people should voice their opinions on everything that has happened so far.

Gabriel in particular needs to say something for once, as his only two posts here are literally worthless in terms of getting a read off of him.

@Gabriel, whats your opinion on the argument norboy and i had earlier today?

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

I also wanna note that for the next few days I am going to be busy with final examinations. They shouldn't take up too much of my time, so I should still be pretty active, but if i have periods of unavailability, that will likely be the reason as to why.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

I really can't tell if Andy is scum or just a really nooby town player. His general tone and demeanor and the laughing emoji spam make me feel that he's scum, but he's reaching conclusions which, while I think are very false or fallacious (don't even start, @task), I can understand how he arrived at them, such as encouraging not lynching on the first day.

In the end, I don't think lynching Andy is a bad idea, I'd rather hear more of him before going with it. Besides, Andy's actually contributing to the conversation for once, which is more than some other individuals can say to have done:

!vote gabriel

He seriously needs to say something already. The same goes for Allencaspe. Share your opinions, reads, literally anything of substance will do. Don't tell me you guys just joined a mafia game to sit around and do nothing.

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Re: Mafia 48 - Birthday Party Game Thread [MAFIA VICTORY]

Also if I'm not mistaken we have around 15-16 hours left until the end of the day.

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