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#1 2019-09-21 03:20:30, last edited by Onjit (2019-09-28 14:03:24)

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Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

Game is over, mafia win by technicality
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#2 2019-09-22 08:09:08

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

!vote anatoly

nothing in the shadowsedge discussion makes me feel the need to vote for them yet, but Anatoly's universe claim is pretty sketchy. If he is town, then it would be smart for mafia to get the guaranteed town kill, and if he is mafia, he has nothing to lose by universe claiming. If 100% of us manage to vote for him, that means that we are giving no information to the mafia about other people's universes, and thus people who stick votes on random targets might be scum, as they could be mafia trying to deduce people's universes. Maybe I'm missing something here but imo an Anatoly lynch makes the most sense rn

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#3 2019-09-22 19:57:09

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

!unvote
!vote andymakeer

i still think anatoly is a smarter choice but i don't want there to be a chance of a tie

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#4 2019-09-24 18:26:47

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

!vote kira

i really can't see how universe claiming helps literally anyone other than mafia. alpha already killed off anatoly and andymakeer, and know that peace is alpha as well. You claiming really either means you're scum or trying to confuse people, but i don't understand the incentive in doing the latter when you weren't being targeted

also as other people have pointed out pls no metagaming it ruins the point of the game

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#5 2019-09-24 18:37:43

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

TaskManager wrote:

Kirby what do you think about Kira's accidental or maybe deliberate townclear?

i don't buy it lol. and regardless, i would like to hear a counterargument that isn't just more metagaming.

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#6 2019-09-24 18:43:27

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

Kira wrote:

Kirby: Inactive, followed the Andy vote with "I'd rather not have a tie excuse".

suspecting me for inactivity is fair, but how was my vote sus? since people didn't unvote anatoly or peace, alpha mafia now knows that they are both alpha and got 2 easy targets (which they already acted on with anatoly). I was trying to unvote my target to prevent mafia from getting any more information on people's universe.

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#7 2019-09-25 17:03:53

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

As much of a headache as peace's posts are to read, i still trust him more than kira that he is alpha vanilla town right now.

He's not claiming alpha universe cop, it's just that there are about 382 run on sentences and 383 typos in his post so it's really hard to follow

as far as i'm concerned, kira claimed alpha vanilla town for seemingly no reason, and peace, a confirmed alpha member, counterclaimed. I also trust kira's ability to deceive people more than peace's, so my vote on kira will remain

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#8 2019-09-25 17:05:53

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

from what i can gather, his post is basically saying "I have nothing to lose by counterclaiming you, since i'm already a target to the mafia because my universe was revealed. I would've even counterclaimed you if you claimed alpha cop and i actually was one, since the target is already on my back I have nothing to lose"

the second part was stupid and confusing to add on, but he didn't claim alpha cop

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#9 2019-09-25 17:13:44

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
Kirby wrote:

from what i can gather, his post is basically saying "I have nothing to lose by counterclaiming you, since i'm already a target to the mafia because my universe was revealed. I would've even counterclaimed you if you claimed alpha cop and i actually was one, since the target is already on my back I have nothing to lose"

the second part was stupid and confusing to add on, but he didn't claim alpha cop

But why does peace wants to counterclaim Kira lol, it makes no sense at all

- Kira claims Vanilla townie
- There is only 1 vanilla townie spot left. If someone counterclaims, that means kira is lying
- Kira claiming universe is suspicious in the first place - it either puts a target on his back for the alpha mafia, or adds unnecessary confusion into the game
- Only 1 person died D1, and they were alpha. Peace had votes, that means that he is also alpha
- Since Peace is already confirmed alpha, his counterclaim holds more weight than kira's original claim, so kira lied for some reason - possibly because he's alpha mafia - only one way to find out

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#10 2019-09-26 00:10:53

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

mrjawapa wrote:

I found a post Kira made, in response to Kirby, saying, "And you're mafia". Then I realized Kira was trying to get Peace to claim drifter, in as subtle of a way as possible, to protect them both. Peace was oblivious to it, and it made Kira look really scummy, or like a town PR.

i don't understand this line of logic. "Protect them both" from what? Are you implying that kira, as a supposed town PR, investigated me, or investigated peace? i don't see how the way he handled this day would line up with either of those options

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#11 2019-09-26 00:16:39

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or are you implying neither because i really don't get it

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#12 2019-09-26 00:36:34

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

your argument is really just based on these two posts

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post 1 does not feel like a strategic hint nearly as much as "I'm backed in a corner, I have no other option." If you were peace, would you have claimed drifter? if kira was omega cop what reason would he have to claim alpha vanilla town in the first place?

post 2 is just a dumb response to what i considered a pretty reasonable post. Once kira saw that he was almost pretty much guaranteed to get lynched he could've explained that he was omega cop and shared the results of his investigations... but he didn't. Waiting for you to propose the possibility doesn't really make me trust him any more

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#13 2019-09-26 21:59:25

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

!unvote
!vote jawapa

i stand by everything that ive said in regards to kira and in response to jawapa and dont really have anything to add. Since it seems inevitable im getting lynched, i guess ill claim - i am alpha right now. If neither kira nor jawapa die along with me, they are alpha mafia buddies

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#14 2019-09-27 00:30:07

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

ok ill be more clear

i am drifter

i chose alpha today because i knew mafia would target anatoly or peace since they were confirmed alpha

i doubt enough people will be online in the next 2 hours to change majority, so i guess i'll say i'm pretty convinced kira and jawapa are mafia buddies, and i get the impression that mutant might be mafia from a different universe and may have suspected that i was drifter.

yeeeep

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#15 2019-09-27 01:11:13

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Re: Mafia 31 [Mafia Win]

because i'm a threat to both mafias and would've had it pretty safe for a while, since a lot of people were having their universes being confirmed i wouldn't have been much of a mafia target. since my win condition is to stay alive until the end the longer my role is hidden to the mafia the better

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