Unicode allowance

PiotrGrochowski · 2018-05-27 14:32:00

Currently, any character not in ISO 8859-1 is deleted from any EE chat comment. This can be a problem when wanting to type en–dash (–), em–dash (—) for better looking typography (8–bit instead of 8-bit, 1—4 players instead of 1-4 players; avoiding the ugly minus in general except for math) or using a language that ISO 8859-1 doesn't fully contain.

Gosha · 2018-05-27 14:51:54

most of ee fonts only support characters only in range of x1F - xFF (english alphabet + additional characters)

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PiotrGrochowski · 2018-05-27 14:56:23

Isn't the font in chat comments from the OS and not from EE? In Microsoft Windows, the chat comments are in Tahoma, which has many characters not in ISO 8859-1.

drunkbnu · 2018-05-27 14:56:51

SirJosh3917, Weirdoverse

PiotrGrochowski · 2018-05-27 14:58:30

HG wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/CvoDGbj.png

Unicode spam? Then you could restrict comments to a larger superset, such as WGL4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WGL-4 which is supposed to contain all characters in European languages as long as they're Latin, Greek or Cyrillic, and it also contains more punctuation.

Gosha, mutantdevle, TaskManager

TaskManager · 2018-05-27 16:46:52

PiotrGrochowski wrote:

This can be a problem when wanting to type en–dash (–), em–dash (—) for better looking typography (8–bit instead of 8-bit, 1—4 players instead of 1-4 players; avoiding the ugly minus in general except for math)

this is the **** reason to introduce unicode that i have ever seen
don't get me wrong, i support the idea and want unicode to be implemented in the game chat and signs, but that reasoning is like so bad, there are better reasons that you could come up with

people saying "unicode spam and swastika characters!!!" - we can abuse chat just as much right now by spamming random characters and dodging censors with bad words, it kinda doesnt affect the chat abuse situation at all. what you're saying follows the same logic as "lets not add more keydoor colors cause people will have more keydoors to spam and break levels"

Different55, some woman, JadElClemens

Tomahawk · 2018-05-27 17:31:18

Has anyone actually complained that they can't communicate in their language because the letters aren't supported?

SirJosh3917 · 2018-05-27 17:38:15

Tomahawk wrote:

Has anyone actually complained that they can't communicate in their language because the letters aren't supported?

I'm not sure that they could complain in the first place if their language isn't supported

Gosha · 2018-05-27 17:42:03

Tomahawk wrote:

Has anyone actually complained that they can't communicate in their language because the letters aren't supported?

Me. Since i got chat (2012 i believe)

N1KF · 2018-05-27 18:41:13

There are 1.2 billion native speakers of Chinese. There are 310 million native speakers of Hindi, 295 million native speakers of Arabic, 200 million native speakers of Bengali, 160 million native speakers of Russian, 125 million native speakers of Japanese, and 100 million native speakers of Punjabi. That is over 2.3 billion people.

According to Alexa, 14% of players come from Poland, whose native language has 55 million native speakers.

There are many people we could reach by allowing unicode. I think the users this would help would well outweigh the work. If censor evasion is a problem, keep in mind that the censor system takes care of "lookalike symbols", like ( for C and 0 for O. This could be done for symbols in other languages as well.

LukeM · 2018-05-27 18:57:29

N1KF wrote:

There are 1.2 billion native speakers of Chinese. There are 310 million native speakers of Hindi, 295 million native speakers of Arabic, 200 million native speakers of Bengali, 160 million native speakers of Russian, 125 million native speakers of Japanese, and 100 million native speakers of Punjabi. That is over 2.3 billion people.
According to Alexa, 14% of players come from Poland, whose native language has 55 million native speakers.
There are many people we could reach by allowing unicode. I think the users this would help would well outweigh the work. If censor evasion is a problem, keep in mind that the censor system takes care of "lookalike symbols", like ( for C and 0 for O. This could be done for symbols in other languages as well.

You underestimate how much effort it would be though, EE's font would need to be extended to support the new characters, and Unicode isn't small...

N1KF · 2018-05-27 19:28:44

LukeM wrote:

You underestimate how much effort it would be though, EE's font would need to be extended to support the new characters, and Unicode isn't small...

I just checked, and Tahoma doesn't support any of those languages I mentioned except Arabic. It seems we would need a new font.

Gosha · 2018-05-27 19:48:41

N1KF wrote:

There are 1.2 billion native speakers of Chinese. There are 310 million native speakers of Hindi, 295 million native speakers of Arabic, 200 million native speakers of Bengali, 160 million native speakers of Russian, 125 million native speakers of Japanese, and 100 million native speakers of Punjabi. That is over 2.3 billion people.

That all falls into nothing when you look at the graph of ee members locations.

There are almost no users who speak Chinese/Hindi/Arabic/Bengali/Japanese/Punjabi. Little from Russia. Major ones are Europe, and North America

peace · 2018-05-27 20:12:30

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N1KF · 2018-05-27 22:16:46

Gosha wrote:

N1KF wrote:
There are 1.2 billion native speakers of Chinese. There are 310 million native speakers of Hindi, 295 million native speakers of Arabic, 200 million native speakers of Bengali, 160 million native speakers of Russian, 125 million native speakers of Japanese, and 100 million native speakers of Punjabi. That is over 2.3 billion people.
That all falls into nothing when you look at the graph of ee members locations.
There are almost no users who speak Chinese/Hindi/Arabic/Bengali/Japanese/Punjabi. Little from Russia. Major ones are Europe, and North America

It makes sense there would be few users who speak those languages here since the game doesn't support them.

CommanderKitten

hummerz5 · 2018-05-28 01:12:25

N1KF wrote:

Gosha wrote:
N1KF wrote:
There are 1.2 billion native speakers of Chinese. There are 310 million native speakers of Hindi, 295 million native speakers of Arabic, 200 million native speakers of Bengali, 160 million native speakers of Russian, 125 million native speakers of Japanese, and 100 million native speakers of Punjabi. That is over 2.3 billion people.
That all falls into nothing when you look at the graph of ee members locations.
There are almost no users who speak Chinese/Hindi/Arabic/Bengali/Japanese/Punjabi. Little from Russia. Major ones are Europe, and North America
It makes sense there would be few users who speak those languages here since the game doesn't support them.

I know this is unnecessary interjection, but I feel the need to point out that the views each of you take on this issue are both valid and cyclic. People of other languages don't hang out here because we don't have other languages? Well we don't have other languages because they aren't here. I feel like using either side as an arguing point is ultimately invalid because of this fact. Simply put, we don't know how things might have been or how they would affect the larger populations

N1KF

PiotrGrochowski · 2019-02-16 14:35:41

N1KF wrote:

LukeM wrote:
You underestimate how much effort it would be though, EE's font would need to be extended to support the new characters, and Unicode isn't small...
I just checked, and Tahoma doesn't support any of those languages I mentioned except Arabic. It seems we would need a new font.

WGL4 has more characters (657) than ISO 8859-1 (191) and font developers tend to target it, meaning Tahoma probably contains at least WGL4. The font limitation isn't nearly as big as the EE chat encoding limitation. Not to mention, a fallback font will probably be used by GDI.

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