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Gikkle wrote:

I have my conclusions - or the beginnings to some, rather - but I would like to hear what other people think the kill means first. Just so my thoughts don't influence others.

Just wanna say - pretty much anytime a kill makes someone say "interesting kill",  there's always really important analysis that can be done with it. Doesn't mean people are always correct with their analysis of the kill, but it's an important data point.

here is what i think then. im surprised that Mini wasn't the one that got nightkilled, since he pretty much got confirmed by Cop. maybe mafia killed Grilyon to try and put suspicion on Mini?

another thing is, Grilyon suspected BB and Gandhi, so maybe one of them is scum? if thats true then i think BB is more suspicious, Grilyon never got rid of his suspicion on BB. idk if scum Gandhi would kill Grilyon knowing that he voted for him

Alright I'm cool with this plan, if not just for getting a collective idea of the elim, it also forces people to think more about their reads in a more coherent manner (since I'm still very confused about some of the reads right now)

Also just for ease of use, I'm spoilering reasons, just so that my order can be seen clearly.

▼ Onjit

Pretty Meta-gamey, but iirc, Onjit has a tendency to be inactive as town, afaik he's usually more active as an evil one because of interest and two because I think he doesn't like to make his teammate do all the work.

▼ Pqwerty

Looking through Pqwerty's iso, a lot of his actions clearly have the intent of trying to solve the game, my *only* hesitancy with his slot is from past experience, knowing that he can drum up a plan to make himself appear town-like.

▼ Marshmallow Marshall

Gonna preface this off and say I literally do not understand Mafia terminology so when MM starts talking about OMGUS'ing my brain does not comprehend any of that, so my read on this could be inaccurate.
They seem interested in pushing for information, such as pushing Elijah to explain their reads on Mini, or pushing people to explain their reads on me.

▼ Nuclear Gandhi

My town-read on them was stronger before, and that was mostly because I was just skimming the thread and their response to things gave me a good vibe, though now looking at their iso I can't point a finger at any one thing that made me think of them as town. Its not to say I think they're not town, but I'm not as certain of it now as I was before.

▼ Grilyon02

Pretty clear just because of new-player-syndrome, but I'm still being alert of them as the possibility of them swindling us could still bite us in the future.

▼ 2B55B5G_TNG

Townlean only because she does seem somewhat interested in scumhunting but its very minimal (probably due to being busy or something)

▼ Big Bon Jovi

null because they have yet to say anything of value

▼ Buzzerbee

Mostly null, I don't know BB's playstyle well, but their posts have seemed to try to help, but a lot seems like filler.

▼ Minimania

Their iso really doesn't have a lot, most of it seems to be defending, one thing I'll give credit for is still trying to figure things out even while being under accusation, because as town I think they'd be more interested in solving the game rather than staying alive, though the heavy focus on his defense is what's making me scumlean

▼ ElijahBaley

Most of his iso just seems off to me, a lot of it gives off frustration, which normally I would associate as a town-trait, but most of the frustration comes from being suspected or asked about their stances, both of which he wasn't very forthcoming of iirc. I don't know their playstyle, but it just doesn't seem right to me

Sorry for the wait, I decided to go into everyone's iso to get a better grasp of my reads

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

Pqwerty can you tell something about 2b55 from your neighbor chat?

I mean, she appears to be giving good opinions in there. Also Neighborizers are usually a town role, so I just gave 2B a pass.

Is there anything specifically I should be looking for? The only offputting thing imo is that 2B wanted more info about my role at the time when the info would only help the mafia, but 2B's opinions are relatively in-depth so idk. I've been running my theories by her and getting good feedback so it's hard to tell; also i recently got my confidence in my ability to read shattered so I'm not super confident in any of my reads anymore.

I townlean Gikkle but I don't think Oli is even remotely as clear as him, I think it's bizarre he's on the assume list, especially after yesterday

2b55b5g wrote:

and BB, what are your thoughts on Gikkle?

well Gikkle hasn't said much today so my thoughts on them are based on past days, but Gikkle is coming up with a LOT of original thoughts which at first glance appears townie to me but in general Gikkle is really difficult to read

i'm actually almost inclined to say Gikkle is either

a) Fruit Vendor
b) Scum

reasons why i think Gikkle is fruit vendor:
process of elimination. no one claimed fruit D2 which leads me to believe onjit was fruit vendor on N1 and didn't act in time to target anyone. but we've received fruit on D3 and now D4 after Gikkle replaced onjit. We know it's not me or 2b. Pqwerty and Mini said it wasn't them. Gandhi was inactive at the end of D2 / beginning of D3 which makes me think he wasn't active N2 to give fruit but this is speculation. Oli was only replaced on D3, and i'm sure Bon Jovi isn't the one who gave the fruit to 2b

therefore it's either Gikkle or Gandhi, and most likely Gikkle.

however, if Gikkle isn't fruit vendor, i'm forced to believe they're scum

reasons why i think gikkle is scum (if not fruit vendor):
Gikkle seemed to sheep on D2 and D3. like i said, at first glance it looks like Gikkle is a strong town player, but to me it looks like a lot of what they say about the game is very mathematical almost. they're deducing the game based on hard logic, which is helpful sometimes, but this setup relies heavily on social deduction, and they don't seem to say any opinions until a wagon has already started.

on D2 they hopped on the Shadow wagon, and on D3 they at first said they found it hard to believe Elijah got a red check on Marshmallow, and then as soon as pressure started to be put on Marshmallow, Gikkle jumped on it as well

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

BuzzerBee wrote:

BuzzerBee wrote:

Pqwerty, Oliwaz, and 2b all going for the hammer at the end of yesterday leads me to believe at least 1 out of the 3 are scum

anyway going back to this, i'm still very suspicious of oliwaz considering that Marshmallow had their vote on Oliwaz at EoD and Oliwaz was trying hard to hold the hammer

Why is it important who hammers, if it's 3 minutes before EoD anyways?

i don't think it would've been important if Marshmallow had flipped scum, but they flipped town, and to me the biggest red flag is

Oliwaz144 wrote:

!Vote MM
Headshotted scum.
Antiterrrorists win.
Ez 4 ence
Protect Mini

this post by Oli. and then Oli coming on again today to say

Oliwaz144 wrote:

Sorry MM.
I wanna talk to you post game

like, half the town obviously made a mistake in scumreading Marshmallow. so it just seems like some weird kind of fake confidence followed by fake damage control

Idk if this is useful, but if we're doing NKA and according to MM, anyone would've killed Lumi out of fear, why would they kill Elijah over Gikkle? Was Elijah not a fear kill?

Also, if it was a fear kill, then the team can't be two people who have never played with Lumi because at least 1 mafia had to be afraid of Lumi.