Mafia 52 Game Thread (GAME OVER)

BuzzerBee · 2022-09-10 16:01:58

Oliwaz144 wrote:

2b55b5g wrote:
Oli it's L-1 right now cuz BB just voted
Ok. If i dont hammer at -5 mins you do it pls.
We have two triggers.
I will do at -15 mins

oh nvm i was typing as you posted this

Pqwerty · 2022-09-10 16:04:35

BuzzerBee wrote:

would you mind rewording this? i’m having a hard time following lol sorry. also what is NKA

Night Kill Analysis.

Essentially MM says that the mafia were afraid of Lumi, so the mafia killed Lumi. But if the mafia are killing out of fear, you'd think they'd kill the town leader over Elijah. So maybe Elijah was killed for a different reason. Idk if this says much.

More importantly (imo), if the mafia killed Lumi out of fear, at least one of them had to be afraid of Lumi because otherwise you have 2 unafraid mafia. So, any potential pair who has not played with Lumi before would be clear since they would both not be afraid of Lumi.

Idk the logic here still feels shaky so I'm not married to the idea. I'm just entertaining it.

BuzzerBee

Oliwaz144 · 2022-09-10 16:09:33

Its fun

Pqwerty · 2022-09-10 16:33:42

Marshmallow Marshall wrote:

Oliwaz's contribution is really low, but he just replaced in, and what I've seen from him isn't out of his meta. That absolutely doesn't mean he's town, but I wouldn't straight up accuse him of being scum, at least for now; that being said, if by tomorrow, he hasn't contributed more, he should absolutely be on the chopping block.

Literally like 5 minutes later...

Marshmallow Marshall wrote:

That... isn't what BB said. Lol. Now this is basically just OMGUS - and while this is far from being out of your meta (as town or scum), the fact you added that he scumreads you for "coming in late", which appears nowhere in his post, is weird. It's not like the explanations weren't given here, so this feels dishonest.
Edit to my list of reads of one post ago: Oliverz get lumped into the scumreads, below Gandhi. And since Gandhi pressure isn't exactly happening right now because y'all seem to be out for my own blood (...), there's no reason not to vote Oliverz
!vote Oliwaz144
(for the record, Oliverz = Oliwaz, I just usually know him under that name)

Oliwaz feels like more of a policy vote due to a misunderstanding (either purposely or not) from Oliwaz than a legit scumread. Unless 1 post and about 5 minutes of thought can fully convince you that Oliwaz is one of the mafia - the mafia who managed to kill both a championship-level player and the cop - then I don't buy this read.

Pqwerty · 2022-09-10 16:44:51

Also MM, to me it looks like you aren't even defending yourself. It's more like a politician running a smear campaign to make the other candidates look worse than a defense. iirc the only defense you gave for being town was that you put a lot of effort into finding Elijah, which while I do admit you did put in a lot of effort, it also takes the mafia a lot of effort to correctly find a cop.

Pqwerty · 2022-09-10 16:48:44

I just hope we're right here, but worst case we have 1 more day before LYLO

Pqwerty · 2022-09-10 16:49:18

I'm hammering at xx:55

2b55b5g

Pqwerty · 2022-09-10 16:55:27

I want to sound cool when I hammer so

"We'll discuss it tomorrow, Minimania"

!vote Marshmallow Marshall

2b55b5g · 2022-09-10 16:55:28

!vote Marshmallow Marshall

2b55b5g · 2022-09-10 16:55:56

i almost stole the hammer

Oliwaz144 · 2022-09-10 16:57:22

!Vote MM
Headshotted scum.
Antiterrrorists win.
Ez 4 ence
Protect Mini

Oliwaz144 · 2022-09-10 16:58:53

Oh sry its hammer already sry norwee

Marshmallow Marshall · 2022-09-10 17:05:38

Marshmallow Marshall · 2022-09-10 17:06:44

...fail
https://tenor.com/view/window-****-step … if-5220402

Norwee · 2022-09-10 17:57:30

[5] Marshmallow Marshall: Nuclear Gandhi, Gikkle, Minimania, BuzzerBee, Pqwerty

[1] Nuclear Gandhi: Grilyon2
[1] Oliwaz144: Marshmallow Marshall

[2] Not voting: 2b55b5g, Oliwaz144

Marshmallow Marshall has received 5 votes and been chosen for the elimination.

Their role is:

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The night begins now and will last until 18:00 GMT+2 tommorow.

As always, remember night actions.

Norwee · 2022-09-11 17:08:03

Grilyon2 has been found dead tonight.
Their role is:

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Norwee · 2022-09-11 17:08:52

Day 4 has started and will last for 72 hours.

Countdown timer here -> https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/3 … -countdown

[7] Not voting: Gikkle, 2b55b5g, Pqwerty, Minimania, Oliwaz144, BuzzerBee, Nuclear Gandhi

4 majority votes to lock in the choice of elimination.

Pqwerty · 2022-09-11 17:37:54

Grilyon is a weird kill but I guess no one was ever gonna go for them.

Pqwerty · 2022-09-11 17:43:00

Gikkle wrote:

If we accept Oliver/Pqwerty/Mini as town
Mm/Grilyon/Gandhi/BB/2b
Every possible team:
MM/Grilyon
MM/Gandhi
MM/BB
MM/2b
Grilyon/Gandhi
Grilyon/BB
Grilyon/2b
Gandhi/BB
Gandhi/2b
Bb/2b
Every team if MM is town:
Grilyon/Gandhi
Grilyon/BB
Grilyon/2b
Gandhi/BB
Gandhi/2b
Bb/2b
I find BB/2b to be unlikely for the same reason oliver/2b or oliver/bb were unlikely. Shadows had a 3 person PoE which included those three - I doubt he put all of his partners in there. Not as a traitor without a way to communicate, anyways. I'm a bit more skeptical of these two than the ones with oliver bc of some Shadow interactions. But I think it’s still unlikely they are both scum.
I find Gandhi/BB to be unlikely bc of Buzzer putting them as their top town in their first reads list and really hyping them up (calling them a "very high iq mafia member" if they were mafia, which is sort of weird for a wolf to say about another wolf). Usually wolves don't get too close that early.
That leaves us with the following if MM is town:
Grilyon/Gandhi
BB/Grilyon (I'm skeptical of this as a team. BB threw some unnecessary pressure Grilyon's way)
2b/Grilyon (Also sort of skeptical of this as a team for the same reason. Less so than BB/Grilyon bc 2b didn't really throw *as* much pressure Grilyon's way)
Gandhi/2b
Which means it's most likely just 2 of Grilyon/Gandhi/2b at that point. IF mm is town. Which I don't really believe he is. But if he is town then I'd look in that pool.

Assuming the above is true and that Shadow put at least 1 partner in suspicion, the only possible pairs are Gandhi/2B and Gandhi/BB.

Pqwerty · 2022-09-11 17:44:33

So if this is true, there is no case where Gandhi isn't mafia.

Pqwerty · 2022-09-11 18:07:44

So either Gandhi is absolutely mafia, or we made a mistake in assuming that me, Mini, Gikkle, and Oliver were all town and that Shadow only put 1 partner in their suspect list.

Gikkle · 2022-09-11 18:08:29

First of all - sorry, MM.

Secondly - If Grilyon dying was the result of some kind of bus driver or vigilante kill (and perhaps the mafia kill got blocked), claiming that fact would be greatly appreciated. There is important night kill analysis to be made here if Grilyon was the intended mafia kill.

Nuclear Gandhi · 2022-09-11 18:13:30

Pqwerty wrote:

Gikkle wrote:
If we accept Oliver/Pqwerty/Mini as town
Mm/Grilyon/Gandhi/BB/2b
Every possible team:
MM/Grilyon
MM/Gandhi
MM/BB
MM/2b
Grilyon/Gandhi
Grilyon/BB
Grilyon/2b
Gandhi/BB
Gandhi/2b
Bb/2b
Every team if MM is town:
Grilyon/Gandhi
Grilyon/BB
Grilyon/2b
Gandhi/BB
Gandhi/2b
Bb/2b
I find BB/2b to be unlikely for the same reason oliver/2b or oliver/bb were unlikely. Shadows had a 3 person PoE which included those three - I doubt he put all of his partners in there. Not as a traitor without a way to communicate, anyways. I'm a bit more skeptical of these two than the ones with oliver bc of some Shadow interactions. But I think it’s still unlikely they are both scum.
I find Gandhi/BB to be unlikely bc of Buzzer putting them as their top town in their first reads list and really hyping them up (calling them a "very high iq mafia member" if they were mafia, which is sort of weird for a wolf to say about another wolf). Usually wolves don't get too close that early.
That leaves us with the following if MM is town:
Grilyon/Gandhi
BB/Grilyon (I'm skeptical of this as a team. BB threw some unnecessary pressure Grilyon's way)
2b/Grilyon (Also sort of skeptical of this as a team for the same reason. Less so than BB/Grilyon bc 2b didn't really throw *as* much pressure Grilyon's way)
Gandhi/2b
Which means it's most likely just 2 of Grilyon/Gandhi/2b at that point. IF mm is town. Which I don't really believe he is. But if he is town then I'd look in that pool.
Assuming the above is true and that Shadow put at least 1 partner in suspicion, the only possible pairs are Gandhi/2B and Gandhi/BB.

I haven't read like the last 400 posts or so, so I'm curious about a few things here, if you could elaborate?
1) Why are you interested in "assuming the above is true", when "the above" is a Gikkle perspective only? You're not Gikkle.
2) Why are other 3, besides Gikkle, assumed Town? I don't mean from Gikkle perspective, I mean from yours.
3) The list has a pre-flipped MM as Town and assumed Grilyon as one of the most likely wolves. One is a red flag, the other is bad look at it's credibility. Why do you hold weight on this list?

It looks weird for you to look at that list so seriously as you do, and frankly - uncritically. Again, you're not Gikkle, you're coasting on his made list for (??) reason which I'd like to learn your reasoning for.

Oliwaz144 · 2022-09-11 18:32:55

Sorry MM.
I wanna talk to you post game

Pqwerty · 2022-09-11 18:38:17

Nuclear Gandhi wrote:

I haven't read like the last 400 posts or so, so I'm curious about a few things here, if you could elaborate?
1) Why are you interested in "assuming the above is true", when "the above" is a Gikkle perspective only? You're not Gikkle.
2) Why are other 3, besides Gikkle, assumed Town? I don't mean from Gikkle perspective, I mean from yours.
3) The list has a pre-flipped MM as Town and assumed Grilyon as one of the most likely wolves. One is a red flag, the other is bad look at it's credibility. Why do you hold weight on this list?
It looks weird for you to look at that list so seriously as you do, and frankly - uncritically. Again, you're not Gikkle, you're coasting on his made list for (??) reason which I'd like to learn your reasoning for.

1) I townread Gikkle so I think he's telling the truth when he says this. Something is true regardless of what perspective you view it from, so I don't think it matters whose perspective it comes from.
2) Mini is heavily implied by Elijah to have gotten a green check. Elijah had 2 big reads: MM is 100% mafia and Mini is 99% town, and we were pretty sure one of those reads was the inspect. Since MM didn't flip mafia, the inspect must've been Mini. So Mini is basically cop-cleared. I know I am town, so this just leaves Oliver. The possible partners for Oliver are you, 2B, BB, and Gikkle. Recall that ShadowsEdge was suspicious of 2B/BB/BBJ. So if BBJ was a partner with 2B or BB, then ShadowsEdge is listing both of their partners as suspicious, which would basically be outing their partners when they flipped traitor. If Gikkle and Oliver are partners, then we'd have an MIA mafia since both were subs, which how could it make a kill? If you and Oliver are mafia, then why would you be trying to bus Oliver D2 when you were already highly townread? In all cases, Oliver as mafia doesn't make sense. (This is basically Gikkle's argument for Oliver town).
3) I'm just using up to the "Every team if MM is town" list. I'm not using any of the further info past that list. The information before that is just the assumptions that me/Gikkle/Oliver/Mini are town and that Shadow did not put all their teammates as scumreads.

I value Gikkle's opinion since I think they are town and the logic up to that point seems plausible to me. If I didn't agree with Gikkle then I'd have a different opinion.

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