Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

N1KF · 2022-07-18 05:18:46

Onjit wrote:

!vote allen
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AllenCaspe9510 · 2022-07-18 05:30:03

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
Norwee wrote:
AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
The no deaths is kinda funny, did something happen?
Only one scum player can technically make a kill. So it is entirely possible we have an no-kills scum team.
If that's true, does mafia even pose a threat to town? ^^;
If not, then maybe we should worry about plaguebringer then, if mafia can't even kill. How do we do that, or do we do something else?
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AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
Era wrote:
https://i.ibb.co/V3DJTnk/mutantdevle-opressor.png
!vote mutantdevle
I didn't understand this at first. I think I sorta get it. I was confused why Norwee was susing mutant, and people saying era investigated mutant and found out that he's oppressor.
mutantdevle wrote:
This is literally the worst situation possible. I am very glad that y'all have taken such extreme actions without me even replying
I am a Coroner with the rolemodifiers bulletproof and flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Mafia doesn't even have an investigative role so it's not like you can argue that mafia is out to get you because they "knew" you were a flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Ok so consider this.
Minimania knows how to design a good and balanced setup.
Do you guys think Mutant’s supposed "role" would be considered good game design?
This could explain the no deaths from last night. There can't be serial killer unless serial killer attacked mutant. Mafia must've been lucky about finding out the town flagbearer because mutant claimed flagbearer after norwee declared on mutant and scum is trying push a lynch on them. But that'll only mean if Era is scum. I think who Era's alignment here needs to be further told. It's possible that Era is scum that is trying to make town instantly lose, and I don't want town to lose. Here's a scenario i came up with, Era is scum who shot a player who had basic defense and is trying to push lynch on mutant today because mutant has basic defense, to do that. They need to make a claim that makes it 100% convincible to town, Mafia Oppressor. Mafia know who mafia is, and since this is a semi-open set-up, Let's assume that, all other players are town and they basic defense like vigilante and just to point out, there are roles that exist that make a town role look scummy. I think norwee delared too early when day started, we didn't have enough information to what mutant is except era saying mutant is oppressor right off the bat. I think mutant's response is kind of strong. I mean, there's no kills last night and mutant was caught mafia while mutant claims attacked followed-up by althea supporting mutant's flagbearer claim and so far, there aren't any other sentinel claims if I read this thread carefully, sometimes I don't read carefully lol.
Althea wrote:
Yikes, this is a mess. Mutant is indeed flagbearer and I'm wishing Norwee waited for everyone to post before activating gladiator.
To be clear, I am hard claiming the sentinel modifier, and Mutant is a flagbearer

With the plagubearer in the game, I think having more people alive is better than not, so we should keep Norwee around which means sleeping today and hoping there's no powerful attackers that can bypass Mutant's bp.
N1KF wrote:
If mutantdevle is Oppressor, it would probably be a bad idea to keep him around because that means not only can he manipulate votes, but the extra night is extra time for Mafia to kill somebody (if they're able). Remember that Novice or Jail could have prevented Mafia from killing on Night 1. Or maybe they avoided killing anybody to try and confuse people.
Althea is claiming sentinel which is proving that mutant is town flagbearer. Flagbearer is already a dangerous role to claim with, I don't see a reason why mafia would do such a thing. Mutant can be scum ok, but this doesn't explain mutant being attacked which was claimed by him and the no kills last night. I don't wanna believe scum not being able to kill last night. Norwee, you said that there is no balance when town flag bearer has basic defense. What if I told you, mafia doesn't have a goon which means that the evil faction can't even kill, would you consider that balance? I think not and the only player who got attacked today was mutant whose claiming coroner flagbearer with basic defense. Think about it, if there is a Oppressor. That means there's a goon that must synergy with oppressor or else it'll be totally loose knots. Also, this is just Day 2, it's not yet end of the world yet xd.
Onjit wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
It might also help if we got claims from Althea and Onjit, since both of them are just claiming sentinel without much weight to back it.
i did say i would add more to my claim but you gotta ask reaaaaal nicely
Sentinel?
Norwee wrote:
Think about this. If his role is real, he can confirm himself as town because of sentinel. AND he is bulletproof. It is impossible for mafia to get rid of him.
The obvious solution is scum pushing lynch on town flagbearer which is actually happening right now. I take flagbearer with defense as host having kindness for town. I mean, it's even possible for mafia or even serial killer to get that clutch kill, and that clutch kill could have just happened today and you guys are making that happen by making a lynch on mutant. Norwee, I appreciate your offer and assistance to town but who are you exactly siding with? Scum or Town? It may sound like mafia can't kill the flag bearer who is town with defense and is using this opportunity to end the game but mafia can still win by majority. All it takes is not to lynch mutant who claimed town flagbearer.
defended mafia + mutant, sus

I did that because I was worried about town flagbearer getting lynched, town would have literally lost if mutant was actually town. I even stated the possibilities too.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 05:31:11

AllenCaspe, what role are you? Are you disposable?

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-18 05:31:19

As much as pestilence is a threat, pestilence cant rise until ALL players are infected, included deceased ones. That means we might not be in danger of pestilence rising right now. Furthermore, we have a decent lead of confirmed players: Me, Norwee, Onjit, Era (as stated before).

As of right now, leaving alive an immediate killing role (aka serial killer) is more of a threat than pestilence rising, as pestilence likely wont rise tonight, and if they do, we still have another night to figure things out. I think you know this, and that's why you keep grasping at any possible reason for another person to get lynched than you.

I don't disregard the sentiment that Allen isn't town-aligned, I agree wholeheartedly that Allen isn't town. The issue is that you took a statement to showcase allen's alignment as Mafia (which is a similar sentiment that I got, hence why I said earlier that Allen could be Mafia), and turned it into a campaign to suggest Allen is Pestilence without any evidence.

And I don't mean to downplay the threat that pestilence proposes, but also, Pestilence is easily bypassed by not visiting. By the time Pestilence rises, we should have enough information to determine who Pestilence is, and if we don't, we don't visit, and it prevents Pestilence from getting anymore than one kill.

2b55b5g

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-18 05:31:40

N1KF wrote:

AllenCaspe, what role are you? Are you disposable?

Though, I do agree with this, Allen what are you?

N1KF · 2022-07-18 05:32:41

Wow those are some good points I hadn't considered.

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-18 05:34:40

The last part is a pretty common strategy with dealing with Pestilence on ToS, but it only really works if town has the numbers for it. That's why its better to get out killing roles earlier.

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 05:37:26

ShadowsEdge wrote:

As much as pestilence is a threat, pestilence cant rise until ALL players are infected, included deceased ones. That means we might not be in danger of pestilence rising right now. Furthermore, we have a decent lead of confirmed players: Me, Norwee, Onjit, Era (as stated before).
As of right now, leaving alive an immediate killing role (aka serial killer) is more of a threat than pestilence rising, as pestilence likely wont rise tonight, and if they do, we still have another night to figure things out. I think you know this, and that's why you keep grasping at any possible reason for another person to get lynched than you.
I don't disregard the sentiment that Allen isn't town-aligned, I agree wholeheartedly that Allen isn't town. The issue is that you took a statement to showcase allen's alignment as Mafia (which is a similar sentiment that I got, hence why I said earlier that Allen could be Mafia), and turned it into a campaign to suggest Allen is Pestilence without any evidence.
And I don't mean to downplay the threat that pestilence proposes, but also, Pestilence is easily bypassed by not visiting. By the time Pestilence rises, we should have enough information to determine who Pestilence is, and if we don't, we don't visit, and it prevents Pestilence from getting anymore than one kill.

exactly, thanks

!vote N1KF

AllenCaspe9510 · 2022-07-18 05:41:11

ShadowsEdge wrote:

N1KF wrote:
AllenCaspe, what role are you? Are you disposable?
Though, I do agree with this, Allen what are you?

I'm the gambler with the modifiers of Impulsive, Reporting

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 05:42:15

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
As much as pestilence is a threat, pestilence cant rise until ALL players are infected, included deceased ones. That means we might not be in danger of pestilence rising right now. Furthermore, we have a decent lead of confirmed players: Me, Norwee, Onjit, Era (as stated before).
As of right now, leaving alive an immediate killing role (aka serial killer) is more of a threat than pestilence rising, as pestilence likely wont rise tonight, and if they do, we still have another night to figure things out. I think you know this, and that's why you keep grasping at any possible reason for another person to get lynched than you.
I don't disregard the sentiment that Allen isn't town-aligned, I agree wholeheartedly that Allen isn't town. The issue is that you took a statement to showcase allen's alignment as Mafia (which is a similar sentiment that I got, hence why I said earlier that Allen could be Mafia), and turned it into a campaign to suggest Allen is Pestilence without any evidence.
And I don't mean to downplay the threat that pestilence proposes, but also, Pestilence is easily bypassed by not visiting. By the time Pestilence rises, we should have enough information to determine who Pestilence is, and if we don't, we don't visit, and it prevents Pestilence from getting anymore than one kill.
exactly, thanks
!vote N1KF

unable to convey concisely because alphabetical

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?
PB = safe, SK = threat

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
2B55B5G TNG wrote:
plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?
PB = safe, SK = threat
big danger = pestilence

N1KF · 2022-07-18 05:43:22

Whoops! Turns out my very existence really IS anti-Town!

N1KF · 2022-07-18 05:45:27

ShadowsEdge wrote:

As of right now, leaving alive an immediate killing role (aka serial killer) is more of a threat than pestilence rising, as pestilence likely wont rise tonight, and if they do, we still have another night to figure things out. I think you know this, and that's why you keep grasping at any possible reason for another person to get lynched than you.

Or maybe the Serial Killer could just, you know, not attack anybody. If somebody gets nightkilled people will just assume it was me, so why bother taking the risk?

N1KF · 2022-07-18 05:53:44

I'm glad some consideration has been made about the Plaguebearer, because I was urging the town to consider the threat and it seems I succeeded in my goal.

Look, I've brought so much conversation to the game. Without me, you lose the potential for more that. You also lose the potential for me to..."Gamble" if you really want me to, as I am so naturally inclined to do. Yum, marshmallows go great with some metallic, red...lottery tickets...

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-18 05:57:20

N1KF wrote:

ShadowsEdge wrote:
As of right now, leaving alive an immediate killing role (aka serial killer) is more of a threat than pestilence rising, as pestilence likely wont rise tonight, and if they do, we still have another night to figure things out. I think you know this, and that's why you keep grasping at any possible reason for another person to get lynched than you.
Or maybe the Serial Killer could just, you know, not attack anybody. If somebody gets nightkilled people will just assume it was me, so why bother taking the risk?

To be fair, I don't fully know why Era was convinced that you killed Zelda, that's why I was confused by their accusation at the beginning of the day, but if you aren't Serial Killer, then that implies there has to be at least 4 neutrals on top of the 3 supposed mafia (talking early game stuff). Since for you to be Town, one neutral would have to be Voodoo, but in order for Era to even get the SK results, an SK would have to already exist, and then there's pestilence and gladiator on top of that. While it is possible, it seems unlikely, and we can't confirm if there's a Voodoo unless we A. lynch you, or B. wait until N4 to see if there's more weird results indicating a voodoo.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 06:16:13

I suppose this is ultimately a matter of trust. If you think I can kill people, and you don't trust me not to kill people, then based on what you say about the Pestilence, it wouldn't make sense to keep me around.

Era · 2022-07-18 06:20:28

N1KF wrote:

!sleep
Since apparently there are no meaningful suspects today, we should just sleep.

I think you misunderstood the game, if i want you burned at the stake you will be burned! Mwahaha!

Uhh, i mean. Killing the mafia does nothing now, but lynching a role that can travel minimizes risk of infection for the whole town.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 06:23:11

If I'm the Serial Killer, I could likely only get away with one unwanted stabbing if I'm alive. The question is, is the risk of that possible stabbing worth keeping me around for longer?

There's probably not enough time to resolve that question within two hours. Unless, ShadowsEdge, you feel like hijacking the vote with me one last time.

Era · 2022-07-18 06:28:01

The thing is, there is no motivation for you to help town at all, so why keep you around?

N1KF · 2022-07-18 06:32:42

There is indeed a motivation, and that motivation is called my own survival

N1KF · 2022-07-18 06:33:54

and by survival I mean continuing to live like another day or two. This game's fun to play, even if I can't win.

Era · 2022-07-18 06:36:24

Do you care for a gamble, then?
You proposed there might be a voodoo.
If you hardclaim serial killer we can reasonably suspect there to be none.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 06:39:00

Yes, I'm a Serial Killer.

Era · 2022-07-18 06:40:59

!unvote N1kf

!sleep

N1KF · 2022-07-18 06:52:07

!sleep

I can change my vote if needed. Hopefully I counted these right.

N1KF (6): ShadowsEdge, ExFabian, Abiqi, 2B55B5G
Sleep (2): Era, N1KF
AllenCaspe (1): Onjit

The vote may be tied if ShadowsEdge changes vote to Sleep, and can still be swayed if both them and one other votes to sleep.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 07:00:26

One hour remains.

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!vote mutantdevle

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!vote N1KF

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!vote N1KF

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#641 2022-07-18 06:20:28

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!sleep

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#648 2022-07-18 06:40:59

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!unvote N1kf

!sleep

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!sleep

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