Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 03:56:49

can era investigate marten, overly quiet

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 03:57:56

send reads please marten

N1KF · 2022-07-18 03:59:03

Yeah, that would be a good idea. Maybe we could find somebody to actually lynch today.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 03:59:45

Marten sending them reads, I mean. I don't have much of an opinion on investigating Marten right now.

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:00:49

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

Norwee wrote:
AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
The no deaths is kinda funny, did something happen?
Only one scum player can technically make a kill. So it is entirely possible we have an no-kills scum team.
If that's true, does mafia even pose a threat to town? ^^;
If not, then maybe we should worry about plaguebringer then, if mafia can't even kill. How do we do that, or do we do something else?

▼huge

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:

Era wrote:
https://i.ibb.co/V3DJTnk/mutantdevle-opressor.png
!vote mutantdevle
I didn't understand this at first. I think I sorta get it. I was confused why Norwee was susing mutant, and people saying era investigated mutant and found out that he's oppressor.
mutantdevle wrote:
This is literally the worst situation possible. I am very glad that y'all have taken such extreme actions without me even replying
I am a Coroner with the rolemodifiers bulletproof and flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Mafia doesn't even have an investigative role so it's not like you can argue that mafia is out to get you because they "knew" you were a flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Ok so consider this.
Minimania knows how to design a good and balanced setup.
Do you guys think Mutant’s supposed "role" would be considered good game design?
This could explain the no deaths from last night. There can't be serial killer unless serial killer attacked mutant. Mafia must've been lucky about finding out the town flagbearer because mutant claimed flagbearer after norwee declared on mutant and scum is trying push a lynch on them. But that'll only mean if Era is scum. I think who Era's alignment here needs to be further told. It's possible that Era is scum that is trying to make town instantly lose, and I don't want town to lose. Here's a scenario i came up with, Era is scum who shot a player who had basic defense and is trying to push lynch on mutant today because mutant has basic defense, to do that. They need to make a claim that makes it 100% convincible to town, Mafia Oppressor. Mafia know who mafia is, and since this is a semi-open set-up, Let's assume that, all other players are town and they basic defense like vigilante and just to point out, there are roles that exist that make a town role look scummy. I think norwee delared too early when day started, we didn't have enough information to what mutant is except era saying mutant is oppressor right off the bat. I think mutant's response is kind of strong. I mean, there's no kills last night and mutant was caught mafia while mutant claims attacked followed-up by althea supporting mutant's flagbearer claim and so far, there aren't any other sentinel claims if I read this thread carefully, sometimes I don't read carefully lol.
Althea wrote:
Yikes, this is a mess. Mutant is indeed flagbearer and I'm wishing Norwee waited for everyone to post before activating gladiator.
To be clear, I am hard claiming the sentinel modifier, and Mutant is a flagbearer

With the plagubearer in the game, I think having more people alive is better than not, so we should keep Norwee around which means sleeping today and hoping there's no powerful attackers that can bypass Mutant's bp.
N1KF wrote:
If mutantdevle is Oppressor, it would probably be a bad idea to keep him around because that means not only can he manipulate votes, but the extra night is extra time for Mafia to kill somebody (if they're able). Remember that Novice or Jail could have prevented Mafia from killing on Night 1. Or maybe they avoided killing anybody to try and confuse people.
Althea is claiming sentinel which is proving that mutant is town flagbearer. Flagbearer is already a dangerous role to claim with, I don't see a reason why mafia would do such a thing. Mutant can be scum ok, but this doesn't explain mutant being attacked which was claimed by him and the no kills last night. I don't wanna believe scum not being able to kill last night. Norwee, you said that there is no balance when town flag bearer has basic defense. What if I told you, mafia doesn't have a goon which means that the evil faction can't even kill, would you consider that balance? I think not and the only player who got attacked today was mutant whose claiming coroner flagbearer with basic defense. Think about it, if there is a Oppressor. That means there's a goon that must synergy with oppressor or else it'll be totally loose knots. Also, this is just Day 2, it's not yet end of the world yet xd.
Onjit wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
It might also help if we got claims from Althea and Onjit, since both of them are just claiming sentinel without much weight to back it.
i did say i would add more to my claim but you gotta ask reaaaaal nicely
Sentinel?
Norwee wrote:
Think about this. If his role is real, he can confirm himself as town because of sentinel. AND he is bulletproof. It is impossible for mafia to get rid of him.
The obvious solution is scum pushing lynch on town flagbearer which is actually happening right now. I take flagbearer with defense as host having kindness for town. I mean, it's even possible for mafia or even serial killer to get that clutch kill, and that clutch kill could have just happened today and you guys are making that happen by making a lynch on mutant. Norwee, I appreciate your offer and assistance to town but who are you exactly siding with? Scum or Town? It may sound like mafia can't kill the flag bearer who is town with defense and is using this opportunity to end the game but mafia can still win by majority. All it takes is not to lynch mutant who claimed town flagbearer.

defended mafia + mutant, sus

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:02:46

Well, that's the first real suggestion regarding today's lynch, so...

!vote AllenCaspe9510

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:09:11

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
Norwee wrote:
AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
The no deaths is kinda funny, did something happen?
Only one scum player can technically make a kill. So it is entirely possible we have an no-kills scum team.
If that's true, does mafia even pose a threat to town? ^^;
If not, then maybe we should worry about plaguebringer then, if mafia can't even kill. How do we do that, or do we do something else?
▼huge
AllenCaspe9510 wrote:
Era wrote:
https://i.ibb.co/V3DJTnk/mutantdevle-opressor.png
!vote mutantdevle
I didn't understand this at first. I think I sorta get it. I was confused why Norwee was susing mutant, and people saying era investigated mutant and found out that he's oppressor.
mutantdevle wrote:
This is literally the worst situation possible. I am very glad that y'all have taken such extreme actions without me even replying
I am a Coroner with the rolemodifiers bulletproof and flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Mafia doesn't even have an investigative role so it's not like you can argue that mafia is out to get you because they "knew" you were a flagbearer.
Norwee wrote:
Ok so consider this.
Minimania knows how to design a good and balanced setup.
Do you guys think Mutant’s supposed "role" would be considered good game design?
This could explain the no deaths from last night. There can't be serial killer unless serial killer attacked mutant. Mafia must've been lucky about finding out the town flagbearer because mutant claimed flagbearer after norwee declared on mutant and scum is trying push a lynch on them. But that'll only mean if Era is scum. I think who Era's alignment here needs to be further told. It's possible that Era is scum that is trying to make town instantly lose, and I don't want town to lose. Here's a scenario i came up with, Era is scum who shot a player who had basic defense and is trying to push lynch on mutant today because mutant has basic defense, to do that. They need to make a claim that makes it 100% convincible to town, Mafia Oppressor. Mafia know who mafia is, and since this is a semi-open set-up, Let's assume that, all other players are town and they basic defense like vigilante and just to point out, there are roles that exist that make a town role look scummy. I think norwee delared too early when day started, we didn't have enough information to what mutant is except era saying mutant is oppressor right off the bat. I think mutant's response is kind of strong. I mean, there's no kills last night and mutant was caught mafia while mutant claims attacked followed-up by althea supporting mutant's flagbearer claim and so far, there aren't any other sentinel claims if I read this thread carefully, sometimes I don't read carefully lol.
Althea wrote:
Yikes, this is a mess. Mutant is indeed flagbearer and I'm wishing Norwee waited for everyone to post before activating gladiator.
To be clear, I am hard claiming the sentinel modifier, and Mutant is a flagbearer

With the plagubearer in the game, I think having more people alive is better than not, so we should keep Norwee around which means sleeping today and hoping there's no powerful attackers that can bypass Mutant's bp.
N1KF wrote:
If mutantdevle is Oppressor, it would probably be a bad idea to keep him around because that means not only can he manipulate votes, but the extra night is extra time for Mafia to kill somebody (if they're able). Remember that Novice or Jail could have prevented Mafia from killing on Night 1. Or maybe they avoided killing anybody to try and confuse people.
Althea is claiming sentinel which is proving that mutant is town flagbearer. Flagbearer is already a dangerous role to claim with, I don't see a reason why mafia would do such a thing. Mutant can be scum ok, but this doesn't explain mutant being attacked which was claimed by him and the no kills last night. I don't wanna believe scum not being able to kill last night. Norwee, you said that there is no balance when town flag bearer has basic defense. What if I told you, mafia doesn't have a goon which means that the evil faction can't even kill, would you consider that balance? I think not and the only player who got attacked today was mutant whose claiming coroner flagbearer with basic defense. Think about it, if there is a Oppressor. That means there's a goon that must synergy with oppressor or else it'll be totally loose knots. Also, this is just Day 2, it's not yet end of the world yet xd.
Onjit wrote:
ShadowsEdge wrote:
It might also help if we got claims from Althea and Onjit, since both of them are just claiming sentinel without much weight to back it.
i did say i would add more to my claim but you gotta ask reaaaaal nicely
Sentinel?
Norwee wrote:
Think about this. If his role is real, he can confirm himself as town because of sentinel. AND he is bulletproof. It is impossible for mafia to get rid of him.
The obvious solution is scum pushing lynch on town flagbearer which is actually happening right now. I take flagbearer with defense as host having kindness for town. I mean, it's even possible for mafia or even serial killer to get that clutch kill, and that clutch kill could have just happened today and you guys are making that happen by making a lynch on mutant. Norwee, I appreciate your offer and assistance to town but who are you exactly siding with? Scum or Town? It may sound like mafia can't kill the flag bearer who is town with defense and is using this opportunity to end the game but mafia can still win by majority. All it takes is not to lynch mutant who claimed town flagbearer.
defended mafia + mutant, sus

if "huge" breaks alphabetical,

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:12:53

Even if I am a Serial Killer, you people need to be looking for the Plaguebearer. I want them dead as much as you people do.

The remaining four hours are the only time remaining to fix the vote, and vote somebody who could actually pose a threat to the town. If I really am a Serial Killer, we all know I'm not going to win.

Onjit · 2022-07-18 04:14:41

N1KF wrote:

!sleep
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There's no rule saying I can only vote once!

You attempt to sleep but are haunted your past actions. You believe others call this a "conscience." A curious idea, but irrelevant right now. You lie on your bed, staring at the ceiling. You have work in the morning. You don't have time for this. Perhaps this is your penance for a life of poor decisions. You-

N1KF, 2b55b5g

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:17:37

plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:20:25

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?

PB = safe, SK = threat

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:20:59

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

2B55B5G TNG wrote:
plaguebearer -> pestilence = announced?
PB = safe, SK = threat

big danger = pestilence

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:22:48

??????

Realistically, there's no way I could win as the Serial Killer now. I have no choice but to be pro-town, or else I'll be lynched.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:24:01

The Plaguebearer can turn into a Pestilence, but I can't. It will become more and more likely as the game goes on.

Remember, if the Plaguebearer or Pestilence wins, it'll be partially your fault because you didn't vote for a potential Plaguebearer candidate Day 3.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:25:55

The problem is that most of the town has already voted to lynch me. Those votes are still active, and the day will be wasted if we don't act quickly.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:30:14

It's far more likely the Pestilence will win than I would if I were a Serial Killer. It's simple logistics; the town should take out the biggest threat. There's a reason we aren't super concerned about the Mafia anymore.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:34:39

There's less than four hours left. Vote for somebody else, just do something instead of leave me here to die.

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:36:12

N1KF wrote:

It's far more likely the Pestilence will win than I would if I were a Serial Killer. It's simple logistics; the town should take out the biggest threat. There's a reason we aren't super concerned about the Mafia anymore.

unfortunately time = not enough

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 04:37:02

!vote Allen

i guess

N1KF

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:38:37

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

N1KF wrote:
It's far more likely the Pestilence will win than I would if I were a Serial Killer. It's simple logistics; the town should take out the biggest threat. There's a reason we aren't super concerned about the Mafia anymore.
unfortunately time = not enough

Yes, there's enough time. Onjit was on recently, Norwee is around this time, and especially if ShadowsEdge comes on we may be able to change things. I haven't carefully counted the votes, but there are around seven, and if just four of those votes are changed to somebody else, the results can be hijacked just like they were Day 1.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:40:06

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

!vote Allen
i guess

Thank you for actually listening to me.

N1KF · 2022-07-18 04:59:22

It's not as hopeless as it seems!

N1KF (7): Era, Onjit, Mayor ShadowsEdge, ExFabian, Abiqi
AllenCaspe (1): N1KF, 2B55B5G TNG

Norwee, MartenM, and IrrelevantGaymer still need to vote. and AllenCaspe Of those, I suspect Norwee will be available in the following three hours.

This is assuming 2B and Norwee are the only Hammering player with a vote, because I don't remember anybody else.

Assuming ShadowsEdge's vote still counts as three, if they switch their votes, the votes will be TIED, and only ONE vote will be needed to change the outcome. If AllenCaspe is Hated, then even that isn't needed.

2b55b5g · 2022-07-18 05:08:46

N1KF wrote:

This is assuming 2B and Norwee are the only Hammering player with a vote, because I don't remember anybody else.

im not

Onjit · 2022-07-18 05:17:19

!vote allen

chaos chaos

N1KF

N1KF · 2022-07-18 05:17:20

Oh, ok. I just searched through the thread and realized you didn't mention you were Hammering. That makes 2v7, or 5v4 if three votes are switched (like ShadowsEdge could presumably do as Mayor).

I'll be watching this thread like a HAWK to make sure we get new recruits for the AllenCaspe Lynch Fun Club.

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