Mafia 51 - Secret Weapon [TOWN + GLADIATOR + SURVIVOR WIN!!!]

2b55b5g · 2022-07-13 21:58:20

Althea wrote:

Also if you read end of day yesterday on page 8, you can see that I've always had Mutant as town. And was worried about Mutant being eliminated from plurality. I was almost about to claim then and there.

Althea · 2022-07-13 21:59:18

Norwee wrote:

And why couldn't Mutant be scum flagbearer so you're swooping in to save him?

Considering you can only win if Mutant is voted off, I see discussing this with you isn't fruitful.

In any case @ the rest of town we should sleep. We eliminate Era tomorrow or potential vig shoots them. And it confirms Mutant and I are telling the truth. This is the best path even if you believe we are mafia because if we aren't we 100% lose by killing him.

Norwee · 2022-07-13 22:00:01

If town truly does have an flagbearer as either Onjit or you seem to claim. Then it stands to reason that scum likely would have an flagbearer on their team as well.
I find it very unlikely that this entire mess would start out by some random scum fake claim on what happens to be the town flagbearer.
This is very likely scum!Mutant that was caught so now Onjit had to CC being the town sentinel due to all of this madness.

Norwee · 2022-07-13 22:02:50

Althea wrote:

This is the best path even if you believe we are mafia because if we aren't we 100% lose by killing him.

Mutant is an opressor. There won't even be an possibility of eliminating someone fruitful tommorow in the case that you are scum. So this is very much an viable strategy for an team of Mutant/you.

2b55b5g · 2022-07-13 22:03:18

Althea wrote:

We eliminate Era tomorrow or potential vig shoots them. And it confirms Mutant and I are telling the truth.

mutantdevle

Era · 2022-07-13 22:04:14

Norwee, 2b55b5g

2b55b5g · 2022-07-13 22:06:28

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Norwee wrote:
(except under the circumstance that Era is fake claiming. But i believe this is extremely unlikely. If you want to know why, feel free to ask me for further info and i'll elaborate.)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … nknown.png

!vote Mutant

Norwee · 2022-07-13 22:06:39

If Mutant is the flagbearer and oppressor it's an instant loss no matter what for scum, remember that when reading Altheas arguments here.

Althea · 2022-07-13 22:07:08

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Althea wrote:
We eliminate Era tomorrow or potential vig shoots them. And it confirms Mutant and I are telling the truth.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ … nknown.png

This is fine too. I also realized that keeping Era around is as viable is keeping Norwee around was. So I agree vig should shoot Onjit instead (or me, but like not).

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-13 22:10:25

Althea wrote:

Onjit is mafia. Mafia only have to take out Mutant to defeat town so it makes sense for him to cc me here.

Something I should clear up as i did ask Mini about it, Flagbearers only make Town lose if they get lynched. Mutant having Bulletproof does nothing to protect town more and just adds more of a threat. I'm inclined to believe the claim is fake because the claim is just *too* perfect. Tying on multiple reasons why we cant lynch him just makes it seem like more that we should. But I'm fine with retracting my vote and sleeping. I don't think lynching Norwee is a good idea, sure Norwee is Neutral, but Norwee's best chance of winning is aligning with town.

If we have a vigi, an easy way we can confirm the sentinels is by having one of them shot, the issue being that Mafia may be able to get a double kill with this as well, and there may be more depending on what the Neutral Evil is.

mutantdevle · 2022-07-13 22:10:31

This is honestly hilarious

Althea · 2022-07-13 22:10:39

Norwee wrote:

Althea wrote:
This is the best path even if you believe we are mafia because if we aren't we 100% lose by killing him.
Mutant is an opressor. There won't even be an possibility of eliminating someone fruitful tommorow in the case that you are scum. So this is very much an viable strategy for an team of Mutant/you.

Then all we would do is sleep until the next day?

There is no world where voting Mutant here is a good idea.

Flipping: If he's mafia, town outs two mafia. If's he's town, town loses.

Not flipping: If he's mafia, town kills one of Onjit/Althea on their next kill, putting Mutant. If he's town, town kills one of Onjit/Althea on their next kill, outing/killing a mafia and outing and Indep.

We never go with flipping here.

mutantdevle · 2022-07-13 22:11:46

Y'all spent so much time saying how ridiculous it was that I could be the flagbearer and now that it suits your narrative you're finally willing to believe it.

ZeldaXD · 2022-07-13 22:12:02

Norwee wrote:

If Mutant is the flagbearer and oppressor it's an instant loss no matter what for scum, remember that when reading Altheas arguments here.

If Mutant is scum flagbearer, wouldn't that make Onjit also scum?

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-13 22:13:17

ZeldaXD wrote:

Norwee wrote:
If Mutant is the flagbearer and oppressor it's an instant loss no matter what for scum, remember that when reading Altheas arguments here.
If Mutant is scum flagbearer, wouldn't that make Onjit also scum?

Isn't Onjit opposing Althea and Mutant? If Onjit is scum with Mutant you'd think he'd be trying to keep him alive, especially if Mutant is the flagbearer.

mutantdevle · 2022-07-13 22:13:47

Norwee is going to do everything in their power to get me lynched today. They literally lose if they don't.

Onjit is 100% scum. They know if they lynch me now they've eliminated an entire faction. All they'd have to do then is find the pestilence and kill them.

Althea · 2022-07-13 22:15:17

outting*
indep*

@shadows looks like norwee actually can't with the town unless Mutant is explicitly eliminated today as he only has one shot.

Era · 2022-07-13 22:16:41

ShadowsEdge · 2022-07-13 22:16:56

Right I missed that. Still, considering Norwee's past behavior, I'd assume he'd be more proactive with scumreading later on.

mutantdevle · 2022-07-13 22:17:56

Either way you look at it, we've already found two of the mafia. Either the mafia is me + Althea or Era + Onjit. All I'm asking is that you give me an opportunity to prove myself.

I mean think about it, if Althea and I are mafia then how long are we actually going to survive for? As soon as any of Onjit, Era or Althea die, we will immediately know the truth. At most, we'd live another 2 days and that's it.

There is literally no need to lynch me today when the facts are so provable.

mutantdevle · 2022-07-13 22:19:12

!sleep

Norwee · 2022-07-13 22:19:18

Not limming allows the opressor to mess with the votes tommorow.

Norwee · 2022-07-13 22:21:58

I'd probably be in it as an pointless option neutral with no wincon + two townies.

mutantdevle · 2022-07-13 22:26:50

Norwee wrote:

Not limming allows the opressor to mess with the votes tommorow.

And if I am the oppressor just lynch me day 4? By that time we'd 100% know the truth.

Norwee wrote:

I'd probably be in it as an pointless option neutral with no wincon + two townies.

You can be a honourary townie <3

Era · 2022-07-13 22:26:50

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