Mafia 42 - Game Thread - Day 4

mrjawapa · 2020-02-23 23:07:07

[insert funny and quirky bit about crybaby dying]

Crybaby was killed!

▼Crybaby's flip

Day 2 begins now. You have 72 hours.

Lynch majority is 5.

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Norwee · 2020-02-23 23:08:51

Doctor is a cursed role.

mutantdevle, ShadowsEdge, Different55

2b55b5g · 2020-02-23 23:09:30

Oh no.

Norwee · 2020-02-23 23:11:14

Shadows stance on believing Kira to be the doctor reads as TMI too me. (Too much information)
It makes sense to me that scum would look on to Kira's scummy actions and say "but wait, he could be town!" for later credit when he does in fact flip town.

Onjit, 2b55b5g

Onjit · 2020-02-23 23:11:25

wouldnt be so cursed if kira wasnt a ****

BuzzerBee, Minimania, Different55

Norwee · 2020-02-23 23:22:30

So we are now 5 townies, 3 mafia and 1 SK.
I'm going to assume there was only one kill last night because the SK and Mafia both targeted Crybaby. Which makes sense. Crybaby was a threat to both.

Pqwerty · 2020-02-24 00:40:38

So hey everyone, I won't be on much but I have something to say really quick about the mass claim.

I feel like Kira's vet claim was super risky but could've been a high reward.

Let's look at the roles who had reasons to lie, and let's look at the roles that didn't. RB, Mafia, SK, and Doc all had reasons to lie because they are PRs who can't protect themselves or don't want to out themselves as scum. So, they would all claim VT. The only PRs with motives to lie and Claim Vet are the doc and rb, because scum wouldn't do something that is so easily disprovable (and sheriff can investigate them because they'd be protected by the doc). If the Doc/RB claims vet and the vet stays silent, then they would be almost guaranteed 3 days of life because the scum wouldn't dare shoot at them (out of fear of being countered), and the town wouldn't lynch it because they would be an UnCC'd vet. Also, the vet could only end up killing the RB or scum because Sheriff would be protected by the doc.

The problem with this could be that the Vet didn't trust the other claim, but the thing is, the scum wouldn't do something so risky.

On further consideration, a mass claim would only out the vet and sheriff because everyone else would claim VT (so it only narrows things down a little bit).

If done correctly, this would've been helpful for town. But I legit don't think any scum would've actually cc'd vet. Also, Kira's whole thing about claiming Godfather was also weird because I think he was trying to be like "Real scum wouldn't act this scummy, so I must be town", but that's a risky WIFOM thing.

Long story short, I lean tr on Norweg for suggesting the mass claim but I don't think Norweg or the town executed it correctly.

ShadowsEdge · 2020-02-24 01:04:00

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Shadows stance on believing Kira to be the doctor reads as TMI too me. (Too much information)
It makes sense to me that scum would look on to Kira's scummy actions and say "but wait, he could be town!" for later credit when he does in fact flip town.

Yeah, I take that same ideology, but I brought it up because no one was bringing it up at all. I find it that when the alternative is never considered, that's when we make the biggest losses. (Like when I refused to believe that Mutant was Town in Nomination Mafia, and Norwegian in TFR, etc.). The Nomination game was pretty much when I decided to try and look at all angles where ever possible.

Pqwerty wrote:

Long story short, I lean tr on Norweg for suggesting the mass claim but I don't think Norweg or the town executed it correctly.

I think the problem is less that it was executed incorrectly, because there's not a lot of leg room in terms of ways to execute it. The problem was more that Kira should have claimed Vanilla Townie. Sure, it would have put more danger towards them, but claiming a PR directly puts attention onto them regardless of what PR it is. There were some other minor issues with it, but in general it should have been fine to create a lynch pool, but when Kira claimed Vet everyone just narrowed in on him and that's where things got awry.

Onjit

BuzzerBee · 2020-02-24 07:42:01

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

I'm going to assume there was only one kill last night because the SK and Mafia both targeted Crybaby. Which makes sense. Crybaby was a threat to both.

Makes sense but it’s probably also worth noting who was roleblocked just in case. Then again roleblocker outing themselves this early might also be a bad idea now that there’s no doctor.

I guess it’s up to the roleblocker what they think is best, whether to share or not

Damn I wish we had wills in this game

2b55b5g · 2020-02-24 08:39:03

ShadowsEdge wrote:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Shadows stance on believing Kira to be the doctor reads as TMI too me. (Too much information)
It makes sense to me that scum would look on to Kira's scummy actions and say "but wait, he could be town!" for later credit when he does in fact flip town.
Yeah, I take that same ideology, but I brought it up because no one was bringing it up at all. I find it that when the alternative is never considered, that's when we make the biggest losses

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

If Kira is really a Doctor, I think the reason he claimed Veteran is to hide his identity as a Doctor. Doctor is an important role, so he might need to make sure that mafia will not attack him. Therefore claimed Veteran.

But shadow I did consider that alternative

Anyway, anyone else at this point please don’t claim, because the doc is dead, unless you feel the need to.

Norwee · 2020-02-24 10:13:16

Kira’s flip did throw me off quite a bit. Since i was fully expecting him to be scum based on his play and **** on me earlier today, even prior his vet claim. So i’m not sure about any of my reads anymore.

peace · 2020-02-24 11:29:32

okay kira was doc and crybabys claim wasnt a lie he was sheriff wyh would crybaby clai m so early wiht the chance our doc would be lynched/die (the lkatte rmore chance) sheriff shouldv eonly cliamed when he ha ddone a fe investiagion i mean even if he did 2 town investigatioins he oculdve claimed at that point and if we really ddin tbelive hem an dlynche dhim he would just be outed as sheriff and we coudlve gotten 2 confirmed townies

also @jawap what i shappeening wiht kirby?

peace · 2020-02-24 11:36:32

1 kill coudl alos mean that kirby was either godafther/sk

peace · 2020-02-24 11:37:54

alos now that crybaby is dead the fraamer lost its ability so now hes basically another goon wiht an godfather back up rule thign added since framign someone wihtout an cop doesnt make sense

2b55b5g · 2020-02-24 11:51:47

peace wrote:

okay kira was doc and crybabys claim wasnt a lie he was sheriff wyh would crybaby clai m so early wiht the chance our doc would be lynched/die

We were doing a massclaim to find out the scum. Crybaby was 2nd on the player list so he claimed, and we sure did not expect that the Doctor would die this early since we're all pretty sure that Kira was scum lol

peace wrote:

1 kill coudl alos mean that kirby was either godafther/sk

Why Kirby?

2b55b5g · 2020-02-24 11:52:33

Nvm ignore the Kirby question, I get what you're saying

Norwee · 2020-02-24 12:46:39

Different55, you’ve been quite ynderwhwlming this game. Do you have any reads? Anything to start the day off?

Norwee · 2020-02-24 12:47:05

*underwhelming.
Bleh, phone posting.

Different55 · 2020-02-24 13:26:03

Sorry just had a lot going on. I'm trying to keep up with the game and I'll go through and re-read the topic, hopefully be able to put something together. Right now my only thought are that you are confirmed town and none of our pool of vanilla townies strikes me as horribly suspicious without digging down into it more.

peace · 2020-02-24 14:18:00

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

peace wrote:
okay kira was doc and crybabys claim wasnt a lie he was sheriff wyh would crybaby clai m so early wiht the chance our doc would be lynched/die
We were doing a massclaim to find out the scum. Crybaby was 2nd on the player list so he claimed, and we sure did not expect that the Doctor would die this early since we're all pretty sure that Kira was scum lol
peace wrote:
1 kill coudl alos mean that kirby was either godafther/sk
Why Kirby?

yeah but masscliam wiht the risk that doc owuld die and then when sheriff cliamed he would die aswell?

peace · 2020-02-24 14:18:33

oops you did say we did NOT expect doc owudl di ebut still it was a chnace he would what would you expect a do cto cliam when ti was hi turn?

peace · 2020-02-24 14:24:19

kira cliaming vet could have diffrent outcomes takign in acoutn norweg CC'ed
1. kira is goon and sacredfiece dhimself for knowing hwo is vet
2. kira is vet norweg is goon norweg sacredficed herself for a lynch at kira
3. kira is doc tried to made sure maff wouldnt hit hiim n1 norweg is real vet and CC'ed and maf has to take a 50/50 on who to belive
4. kira is another PR and didnt wanted to die norweg is rel vet CC'ed (basically same as 3.)
5. kira is a dumb **** VT who diddnt want to die and played badly
6. kia is doc/PR norweg CC'ed as goon prayign none would CC norweg aswell we now have either an inacitve vet(kirby) or an dumb vet who ddint CC norweg aswell because that would be an EZ scum in the bag
3./6. is mos liekly i mor eleaning to 3. since crybabys claim is legit

peace · 2020-02-24 14:25:07

claiming vet as doc wasnt a ba didea only when you get CC'ed (obv) its a 50/50 if its maf or PR fake claiming vet

Norwee · 2020-02-24 14:36:22

peace wrote:

oops you did say we did NOT expect doc owudl di ebut still it was a chnace he would what would you expect a do cto cliam when ti was hi turn?

We didn't expect the doc to die because we assumed he would claim VT and not Vet like Kira did.
The only reason the strategy failed is because we lynched the doctor yesterday. Giving free reign for the scum to kill whoever they please. The assumption was that the doctor would be alive to defend the sheriff and the sheriff could then give us a result today.

Onjit, 2b55b5g, Minimania, ShadowsEdge

mrjawapa · 2020-02-24 15:34:52

Peace, stop posting so many times in a row. You are double posting within seconds. Take a minute, make a complete thought, and make a single post

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