Mafia 40 - Russian Roulette Mafia Victory!

Different55 · 2020-01-30 18:00:30

Well that sounds p convincing to me. Not sure why we go after Task instead of Jawapa after reading all that but I don't want to split the vote even further and I don't think you're scum rn.

!vote TaskManager

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:03:44

▼Part 4

This post is a list of all the things that I think potentially tie jawapa and TaskManager together as a scum team. If I could only request one thing after my death it would be to lynch one of these two. If they are scum, lynch the other one. If they are town, lynch ele (and then lynch the other one anyway because there is literally no way at least 1 of them isn't scum).

mrjawapa wrote:

I'm betting norboy and task are a scum team.

Jawapa throws out an early read scum read on Task. He never properly explains it or pushes it.

mrjawapa wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
i dont know how do you picture "fighting to live" but im not going to scream "im town!!" 50 times because thats pointless and annoying
if you have questions for me then go ahead ill answer them
I agree with this. I dont know what you guys expect vanilla townies to say when everyone is against them.

This is where he next mentions Task where he is defending him despite the previously asserted scum read.

mrjawapa wrote:

I'm gonna scum lean norboy and guess his partner is diff

He maintains his scum read on Norboy yet randomly drops the suspicion of task without explanation.

mrjawapa wrote:

Crybaby wrote:
Even though you already voted, your input still matters. The only reason Norboy was correct was because you allowed him to be.
I'm aware. I'm just trying to prove a point.
Most of the discussion held on D1 would not have happened if task and I hadn't cast random votes.
There is nothing else to go by.

The purpose of this post is for jawapa to gain town credit. This post isn't scummy. Townies want town credit just as much as the scum do. But he makes a point of directing some of that town credit to TaskManager thus it is an association.

mrjawapa wrote:

I first thought task/norboy could be a mafia team. There was a past game where they were both mafia, and they argued a lot to throw the town off. With norboy flipping town, I'm not sure how to feel about task. I'm not convinced he's scum, but I think it's a possibility.

This is his only attempt to explain his read on Task and why it has changed. This to me just seems like an excuse to not be scum reading task whilst leaving an opportunity open to vote for him as he is aware that he is not completely out of suspicion. His explanation that his scum read of task was based on his scum read of Norwegianboy also raises the question of why he didn't feel the need to mention his scum read of Task back when he maintains his scum read of Norwegianboy or why he suddenly thought that diff was Norboy's partner instead of Task.

mrjawapa wrote:

Processor wrote:
That being said, what do you guys think of lynching TaskManager today?
Stop avoiding the question.
@mutant I'll respond to your questions in a bit.
I want onjit and ele to chime in.

He could have answered Processor's question as well as criticise him but chooses not to give his opinion on Task being lynched.

mrjawapa wrote:

Processor wrote:
Can we get the Task lynch going now please?
!vote TaskManager
And when they flip town... we lynch you?

Defending Task again. This isn't necessarily scummy but is, at the very least, 'odd' considering Jawapa used to scum read Task and has not expressed any strong town feelings since.

mrjawapa wrote:

Processor wrote:
Someone, anyone, please explain to me why we have stopped suspecting TaskManager?
I haven't. I think you're acting more suspicious than task.

Here jawapa confirms that he is still suspicious of Task. If this is the case then why has he never provided any criticisms of Task? He clearly thinks that Task is scummy but doesn't want to draw any attention to it.

In this jawapa tries to undermine the wagon on Task at every opportunity. He even goes so far as to say:

mrjawapa wrote:

At the beginning of D2, Processor and Mutant tried getting Task lynched again.

As though us wanting to lynch task is inherently scummy (thus discouraging it). I guess his point is that since proc was scum, and he wanted to lynch task, anyone who wants to lynch task is also scum?

Meanwhile, TaskManager never interacts with jawapa. He mentions him briefly when talking to other people but that's it. He gives no opinion on Jawapa. He doesn't praise him, he doesn't criticise him, he doesn't ask him anything. I think it's very obvious from rereading Task's iso that he has no interest in engaging with jawapa and I'd even go as far as to say that he is avoiding him. I recall that in purgatorEE, after Task's flip, his lack of interaction with Crybaby was partially responsible for us sending Crybaby to hell.

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:07:04

peace wrote:

now as i read you think task/jawp is a team why do u want task dead first?

Different55 wrote:

Well that sounds p convincing to me. Not sure why we go after Task instead of Jawapa after reading all that but I don't want to split the vote even further and I don't think you're scum rn.
!vote TaskManager

Some of my points against Jawapa derive from Task being scum whereas Task is scummy 100% independently from jawapa. Also, whilst jawapa probably has more scummy actions than Task does I see a lot more scummy motivation behind Task's posts.

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:09:54

mutantdevle wrote:

Meanwhile, TaskManager never interacts with jawapa. He mentions him briefly when talking to other people but that's it. He gives no opinion on Jawapa. He doesn't praise him, he doesn't criticise him, he doesn't ask him anything.

I'd just like to add to this that they've also wooted a fair amount of each other's posts. By itself, that's not necessarily scummy but it does raise the question of why all their agreements with each other have been expressed exclusively through woots and not through text.

TaskManager · 2020-01-30 18:14:16

whats the vote count again

Different55 · 2020-01-30 18:19:52

[1] 2B TNG - Onjit
[2] Taskmanager - Mutantdevle, Different55
[4] Mutantdevle - mrjawapa, Taskmanager, Peace, Crybaby

Majority is 6, You have like 2 hours until day ends.

Nonvoters:
- ShadowsEdge
- BuzzerBee
- 2B55B5G TNG
- Eleizibeth

TaskManager · 2020-01-30 18:21:03

[1] 2B TNG - Onjit
[4] Mutantdevle - mrjawapa, Taskmanager, Peace, Crybaby
[2] TaskManager - mutantdevle, Different55
i think this is right

anyway, not really going to consider any of mutant's points until i see the flip
@mutant
theres a whole bunch of people im sure i never really interacted with and jawapa is not the only one

after this whole drama is dealt with i believe buzzer/ele/2b should be looked into
possibly diff as well

peace · 2020-01-30 18:22:13

Different55 wrote:

Well that sounds p convincing to me. Not sure why we go after Task instead of Jawapa after reading all that but I don't want to split the vote even further and I don't think you're scum rn.
!vote TaskManager

blindly following a partner here? sure a couitnerwgaon woudlt do ti but atleast it would be you rown opinion to lynch jawapa if you wanted to do so (or someone selse if you wanted) youre now blindlly following somoene who has the most votes on it thus being scumread by many players

mrjawapa

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:22:36

I'd just like to scrutinise this post by TaskManager to make an example of the scummy motivation he has underlying almost all of his posts because it really **** me off when I skim read it before going to sleep last night:

TaskManager wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
I've not read anyone's reasons for voting me but I'm presuming the reason mostly boils down to "he was wrong about processor so he's scum". Such a reason should be heavily scrutinised for its obvious fallacy and I think it's a line of reasoning that is inherently opportunistic in getting me lynched. Obviously, this doesn't count so much for peace since he always bases his votes and reads on face value.
"i didnt read what you guys were saying but youre obviously wrong"
mutantdevle wrote:
I think TaskManager and jawapa are not only scum but also on the same scum team.
>OMGUS

What is the motivation behind Task making this post? Is it to defend himself against points I've made against him? No. Is he picking apart what I've said to show how I'm scum? No. He's simply trying to make me look bad. No assessment of my alignment, just that what I've said is bad. Because unfortunately bad is associated with being scum.

TaskManager wrote:

"i didnt read what you guys were saying but youre obviously wrong"

If you have mentioned my town read on Processor as part of why I should be lynched then my comments are justified and it shows that I have a solid understanding of both how you work and how the game works. If you haven't, then the townie thing to do would be to point out that since I'd expect you to do that as scum you not doing it is evidence that you are town.

TaskManager wrote:

>OMGUS

In what sense is this OMGUS? I've been critical and suspicious of both of you long before either of you were suspicious of me. And if you mean that, in response to both of you voting for me, I've suddenly decided that you're on the same team then I'd like to point out that it's very obvious that I've held the opinion that you 2 are scum together for quite a while. Why else would I be so intent on having you resolved before Jawapa?

mrjawapa · 2020-01-30 18:23:25

mutantdevle wrote:

When he realised he was wrong about this, his reaction wasn't "huh, I need time to reread/reconsider mutant's actions" it was more "he's still scum, no exceptions".

That's not true. I did go back and read. Post for post. And that's when I built my current case against you.

mutantdevle wrote:

"cool" is not the kind of word I'd expect someone who was discontent with my answer to use. If jawapa really took issue with my response, why did he call me town immediately after? If he did take issue with it and thought I was town anyway, what made him think I was town despite it?

[Insert quote on lying about my tells - mutantdevle]

Gonna have to go back and see where certain things were said to give a response to this.

mutantdevle wrote:

Here he is majorly fence sitting. With Processor he criticises him yet doesn't give a read which gives him the option to go either way with it.

Lol I recall labeling him scum a few times.

Even if I hadn't, those are very scummy things to do. If I have to draw a picture with my reads, then I guess I will from now on.

mutantdevle wrote:

As for his statements surrounding task, I feel like it highlights what his plan was with the previous lynch. If Task had flipped scum, the association he had drawn between the two would allow him to also get norwegianboy lynched. With norboy flipping town, it allows him to back off of his scum read on Task which he had planted so that the two would be less likely to be associated with each other if either of them were to flip.

I couldn't vote for norboy or task, so idk what you're going on about.
Processor was the one driving the wagon on task.

I 100% would have voted for norboy on D1.

My earlier post talks about why I thought task could have been mafia. That point no longer stands after norboy flipped town. I have no reason to suspect task now. I've asked a couple times why people suspect him, and havent got an answer.

peace wrote:

that aresome deep long posts

Lmao

mrjawapa · 2020-01-30 18:25:59

Wow I was ninjad like 6 times

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:26:47

Different55 wrote:

I'm a little worried about Shadow, we got like minutes left in the day and they still haven't voted.

I kinda think Shadow is town based on this alone. I feel like scum would be more aware and paranoid about dying if they fail to vote.

TaskManager, Different55, mrjawapa, rat, Minimania, 2b55b5g

Kira · 2020-01-30 18:28:42

[1] 2B TNG - Onjit
[4] Mutantdevle - mrjawapa, Taskmanager, Peace, Crybaby
[2] Taskmanager - Mutantdevle, Different55

Majority is 6, You have 2 hours until day ends.

Nonvoters:
- ShadowsEdge
- BuzzerBee
- 2B55B5G TNG
- Eleizibeth

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:28:55

peace wrote:

yo what the **** im droppign some suspictiolous on task becsue proc heabvily wanted task dead

How do you know that's not what proc wanted you to think? He could be tricking you into thinking task is town.

(This is an argument made using peace logic specifically designed to convince peace).

mrjawapa · 2020-01-30 18:31:20

mutantdevle wrote:

How do you know that's not what proc wanted you to think? He could be tricking you into thinking task is town.

Hi I'm not peace, but this thought has come up a few times. I mentioned this earlier, too. This would be plausible, if processor didn't try to hard to get him lynched. I'd buy into this theory if it was more subtle. Its retarded for a mafia member to bus their teammate right from the start, and put so much effort into it.

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:36:00

mrjawapa wrote:

Look at mutant/procs iso.
It's more than mutant being unaware.
Mutant is absolutely scum.

How about you pull out examples from my iso and explain why they are scum and not town who has got it wrong.

How about you look through proc's iso and look at who he's tried to implicate towards the end of the day.

Be quick, because very soon you're going to have to go through my iso again but this time with the knowledge that I'm town.

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:38:47

mrjawapa wrote:

Why are people still scum/null reading task?

Why should we be town reading task?

I'd genuinely love for you to explain why.

I have to leave in the next 10 minutes and I almost definitely won't be back before the day is over. So I'd really appreciate it if people could make sure he answers this on my behalf.

TaskManager · 2020-01-30 18:40:02

mutantdevle wrote:

If you have mentioned my town read on Processor as part of why I should be lynched then my comments are justified and it shows that I have a solid understanding of both how you work and how the game works. If you haven't, then the townie thing to do would be to point out that since I'd expect you to do that as scum you not doing it is evidence that you are town.

I'm pointing out how you're saying your point is justified even though you just skimread everything that was said
There is your blatant scumbuddying with Proc, your infamous "task give me reason to vote norboy not you" post with a "!vote norboy" 10 minutes later, and probably more that you wont know since you did not read it

mutantdevle wrote:

And if you mean that, in response to both of you voting for me, I've suddenly decided that you're on the same team.

I mean this

mutantdevle wrote:

I'd like to point out that it's very obvious that I've held the opinion that you 2 are scum together for quite a while.

Hm? Excuse me but I don't find it obvious. The first time you merely hint at this association is post #294:

mutantdevle wrote:

I'm not focussing on jawapa yet because a lot of the things that he's said depends on the alignments of norwegianboy and taskmanager.

That doesn't even explicilty say "jawapa and task could be a scum team", the quote could've easily meant that we're of opposite alignments, especially given that you had initially a more townish read on Jawapa than on me, after we cast our peace/norboy votes
And your next post is when there's already a solid wagon on Proc
So yeah I think you had a retaliatory motivation behind the "task/jawapa scum team" claim

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:41:56

Different55 wrote:

Mutant please bless me with your wisdom why Onjit

It was based on my general lack of opinion of him (PoE). After reading back through various parts of the thread when isoing jawapa I now think Onjit is town. The same applies to BuzzerBee. I think BuzzerBee is more town than Onjit. I wish I had time to fully explain these reads.

Different55

peace · 2020-01-30 18:42:56

mutantdevle wrote:

Different55 wrote:
I'm a little worried about Shadow, we got like minutes left in the day and they still haven't voted.
I kinda think Shadow is town based on this alone. I feel like scum would be more aware and paranoid about dying if they fail to vote.

or hes scum waits with voting and hammers an townie at teh alst minute and asaisd i woudl 100% vote for proc after KNOWING he flipped maf im not scumreading sahdow at the moment but this isnt a reason to townread him

Different55 · 2020-01-30 18:46:13

peace wrote:

Different55 wrote:
Well that sounds p convincing to me. Not sure why we go after Task instead of Jawapa after reading all that but I don't want to split the vote even further and I don't think you're scum rn.
!vote TaskManager
blindly following a partner here? sure a couitnerwgaon woudlt do ti but atleast it would be you rown opinion to lynch jawapa if you wanted to do so (or someone selse if you wanted) youre now blindlly following somoene who has the most votes on it thus being scumread by many players

I'd like to think I wouldn't be that obvious about it. I agree with Mutant's points, that's all there is to that. Read my own posts, I've been suspicious of Task for forever honestly. That went down somewhat when Proc flipped but now it's back to where it was after reading Mutant's essays.

peace · 2020-01-30 18:46:21

mutantdevle wrote:

Different55 wrote:
Mutant please bless me with your wisdom why Onjit
It was based on my general lack of opinion of him (PoE). After reading back through various parts of the thread when isoing jawapa I now think Onjit is town. The same applies to BuzzerBee. I think BuzzerBee is more town than Onjit. I wish I had time to fully explain these reads.

well youhaev 2 hours before your death use the tieme wisely

peace · 2020-01-30 18:47:17

Different55 wrote:

peace wrote:
Different55 wrote:
Well that sounds p convincing to me. Not sure why we go after Task instead of Jawapa after reading all that but I don't want to split the vote even further and I don't think you're scum rn.
!vote TaskManager
blindly following a partner here? sure a couitnerwgaon woudlt do ti but atleast it would be you rown opinion to lynch jawapa if you wanted to do so (or someone selse if you wanted) youre now blindlly following somoene who has the most votes on it thus being scumread by many players
I'd like to think I wouldn't be that obvious about it. I agree with Mutant's points, that's all there is to that. Read my own posts, I've been suspicious of Task for forever honestly. That went down somewhat when Proc flipped but now it's back to where it was after reading Mutant's essays.

okay so whats your reason for voting task then over an already goign wagon on say muntant?

mutantdevle · 2020-01-30 18:48:31

Final reads list from town to scum:

Peace
Different55
ShadowsEdge
BuzzerBee
Onjit
2B55
Ele
Crybaby
Jawapa
Task

Any reads changes that I've not explained come from me rereading various posts whilst delivering my case on jawapa and general flicks through the thread just now/within the last 3 or 4 hours. My personal recommendation would be to lynch people from the bottom of my list upwards but y'know my opinions would probably change if I was alive and you should have your own opinions and stuff.

Goodbye.

TaskManager · 2020-01-30 18:54:40

mutantdevle wrote:

Final reads list from town to scum:
Peace
Different55
ShadowsEdge
BuzzerBee
Onjit
2B55
Ele
Crybaby
Jawapa
Task

Any reads changes that I've not explained come from me rereading various posts whilst delivering my case on jawapa and general flicks through the thread just now/within the last 3 or 4 hours. My personal recommendation would be to lynch people from the bottom of my list upwards but y'know my opinions would probably change if I was alive and you should have your own opinions and stuff.
Goodbye.

hey at least i agree with #1 on your list
looking forward to seeing your reaction once you have the spreadsheet (assuming kira shares roles with dead players)

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[1] 2B TNG - Onjit[4] Mutantdevle - mrjawapa, Taskmanager, Peace, Crybaby[2] Taskmanager - Mutantdevle, Different55

Majority is 6, You have 2 hours until day ends.

Nonvoters: - ShadowsEdge- BuzzerBee- 2B55B5G TNG- Eleizibeth

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[1] 2B TNG - Onjit
[4] Mutantdevle - mrjawapa, Taskmanager, Peace, Crybaby
[2] Taskmanager - Mutantdevle, Different55

Nonvoters:
- ShadowsEdge
- BuzzerBee
- 2B55B5G TNG
- Eleizibeth