Mafia 36 [KIRBY WINS!]

Onjit · 2019-12-07 00:09:56

Current Votes:

[3] Peace: Mutantdevle, ZeldaXD, ShadowsEdge
[1] ShadowsEdge: Peace
[1] Different55: Pqwerty

To clarify: Infection spreads as a night action, one person per night. Sorry for the confusion Diff, since there was only one option N1 and we had a chat about it in the PMs, I figured you were going to do the action anyway and forgot to confirm.

Norwee, Minimania, ShadowsEdge

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-07 02:03:23

It makes sense that they're only able to infect one person every night.

Thinking on it, if one day the town just voted Patient Zero to L-1 one day, without lynching, the Fever faction would just instantly win. Making it having a chance to just instantly win N1 if they played right.

Slab, come on man, we really need you right now.

Different55 · 2019-12-07 02:57:55

Onjit wrote:

Current Votes:
[3] Peace: Mutantdevle, ZeldaXD, ShadowsEdge
[1] ShadowsEdge: Peace
[1] Different55: Pqwerty
To clarify: Infection spreads as a night action, one person per night. Sorry for the confusion Diff, since there was only one option N1 and we had a chat about it in the PMs, I figured you were going to do the action anyway and forgot to confirm.

Yeah I figured. ;(

Onjit · 2019-12-07 06:23:21

Prodding Slabdrill to make a post or have a replacement

Pqwerty · 2019-12-07 07:57:28

Zelda, I really think you really need to reconsider your vote. Again, you don't win with the town. You're basically a neutral that let's the town win easier, because if you were a different faction, it would make the scum way outnumber the town.

If you join the infected, you can actually win.

mutantdevle · 2019-12-07 10:38:11

Except for the fact that the infected can’t win unless the town lets them lol

peace · 2019-12-07 11:12:57

Different55 wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
Pqwerty wrote:
Here is our strongarm.
Look at Norweg's win condition, because I assume it's the same as everyone else in town. The only way you win is if all non-town parties are killed, including the fever faction.
The only way you guys could kill the fever faction is through a mafia kill, because town NEVER had a killing role (Epidemiologist couldn't kill P0).
However, you are about to lynch the last mafia, and will be unable to kill the fever faction, as you can't lynch it without being infected.
You majorly misunderstand how the infection role works.

Diff gets to CHOOSE 1 person who voted for him to infect during the NIGHT. If we lynch him nobody gets infected. He won't be alive to infect anyone. He doesn't suddenly infect the entire wagon when he dies, that'd be a stupid mechanic. You choosing to let diff infect you changes nothing. You were always going to be tommorow's lynch anyway.
Nope, not how it works. I don't choose anyone, I have no night actions. I automatically infect everyone. N1 I sent in no night actions, tonight I'll be sending in no night actions. I'm infectious, I don't have control over the disease I just do what it tells me to.
Pqwerty is wrong about one thing though. The Epidemiologist only wasn't capable of curing me.

true jawap couldnt cure P0 aka diff becuase diff dosn thave another role while infected people liek meh have

mutantdevle wrote:

I believe Diff is either being sarcastic or is simply lying. It would be completely stupid if his role worked like that. And I'm pretty sure you know that. If you genuinely believed his role worked like that then you'd be trying to convince everyone to vote for him. If we all get infected in the process of lynching him then why don't we lynch him, all get infected, and all win together? We plan to lynch diff on the final day. So even if his role did truly work that way then we'd win anyway just as infected instead of as town.

yeha if he role wokred liek thast you woudl still die the next day of nto infecting

mutantdevle wrote:

The way everyone (alive) wins is obvious regardless of how diff's role works. We just keep voting up to L-1 over however many days it takes to infect everyone. If diff's role works the way you claim it will only take 2 days and if it works the way I think it does then it will take 3. I have 3 reservations about that though:
1: I'd feel bad stealing the win from the dead town members (especially Norwegianboy).
2: We should probably lynch peace anyway since it's quite likely he'd shoot people. INB$ pqwerty is the reamanign mafia memeber ffs he never cliamed a role
3: There's a chance that only diff actually wins if everyone gets infected. That's the kind of trap I'd expect Onjit to spring on us. lemme get my infected role card to see my wincon there

Onjit wrote:

To clarify: Infection spreads as a night action, one person per night. Sorry for the confusion Diff, since there was only one option N1 and we had a chat about it in the PMs, I figured you were going to do the action anyway and forgot to confirm.

wtf ponjit that is meta gaming you may NOT asume someone does anythign and what about the rle block form shadow? now i really belive shadow is lying abotu his block

peace · 2019-12-07 11:15:39

Pqwerty wrote:

Well, I guess we ask Peace what the role does then, he's the only one who got it.
Peace, does infected win with the fever faction, or just Patient 0?

okay so my wincon is You will win when all players are either dead, or part of the Fever faction. but what smore importantly i dwould die if i dont spread an dth eonly way to spread is havign atleast someoen voting me this was such an stupid faction that i had to push me out of it becuas ei wouldve gotten no chance to live unless i would become the obvious mafia and i woudl be lynched out no way i coudl act a luttle scummy to gina 1/2 votes only its eihter no scum or fully scum ( )

peace · 2019-12-07 11:18:36

i aloso belive that if you die as infected you won wint wiht infected faction otherwise it owuld be BS just gett youtr self infected and just die th enext day or live then again what IF it worked liek that way and everyone (yeah EVERYONE) was liek ok ill do it and all mafia an dhitman aare infected and dead but kirby is still town wouldnt that be an instant win for kirby then and that teh reaminign town/diff/infected woudl insta lose? (ill jus take kirby as exaple)

peace · 2019-12-07 11:19:55

tso that means cliamign on D1 and infectign everyone woudlnt wokr for an auto win for everyone since some people would die by not gettgin a vote

peace · 2019-12-07 17:19:34

i ofudn somethign very odd throghpout the thread and maby shadow is suspictiooluous of that it got stuck in my mind and i want to share these 3 quotes:

ShadowsEdge wrote:

I'm the Roleblocker. I roleblocked Different55 N1, because I thought they were scummy because of how they changed their playstyle from last game to this one.
I clarified with Onjit, infecting players does count as a night action, and because I roleblocked Diff, it's highly unlikely that Diff is Patient Zero, unless there's some mechanic at play for Patient to be roleblock immune.

Different55 wrote:

According to Shadow, I was roleblocked last night. I received no messages or notifications. There's no contradiction. Try harder.

Onjit wrote:

To clarify: Infection spreads as a night action, one person per night. Sorry for the confusion Diff, since there was only one option N1 and we had a chat about it in the PMs, I figured you were going to do the action anyway and forgot to confirm.

peace · 2019-12-07 17:21:10

so shadow isnt the roleblcoker i really doubt he is now unless there is 2 mafia blcokers but i doubt onjit woudl but 2 mafi ablcokers in one team that would make it too easy for mafia to make kills

mutantdevle · 2019-12-07 18:23:34

Different55 wrote:

Roleblocks don't work on me.

peace · 2019-12-07 19:37:44

how can you be imune fo role blocks?

peace · 2019-12-07 20:08:51

▼ look here muntant

Different55 wrote:

Oh right I guess I would have gotten some sort of message maybe although that seems unlikely.
I didn't get any notifications of any kind last night, and I'm not immune to roleblocks. Kinda confused what a roleblock would do to me anyway since it seems like my only ability is a reactive one (kill anyone who kills me).

Different55 wrote:

mutantdevle wrote:
I think it would be better to save peace and stick to the plan of you shooting diff. If shadow role blocks you it doesn't matter too much since diff can't infect anyone.
I was roleblocked last night. If I was patient zero, I couldn't infect anyone. Clearly, it's someone else and they don't work the same way peace does now.

Different55 wrote:

According to Shadow, I was roleblocked last night. I received no messages or notifications. There's no contradiction. Try harder.

Different55 wrote:

Onjit confirmed that infection is a night action. He said he'll pretty much always respond yes to prevent meta-ing on whether or not X is a thing that exists in the game. At that phase, we weren't 100% sure that infection existed and some people were using Onjit's "yes, it's a night action" to say "well look at that, infection does exist." Note that Onjit said the answer will pretty much always be yes. If the answer actually is no, he'll say no. Otherwise, why would he respond at all?
So again, I was roleblocked N1, and if I was P0 then P0's night action of infection would have been blocked, as it is indeed a night action that is blockable by actions that block night actions, as roleblocking is.

Different55 wrote:

Literally none of your comment made any sense lol. If you're asking Shadow not to roleblock, you should be looking somewhere else for P0 since I was blocked the night that Peace was infected. That goes triple if you're finally accepting the possibility of P0 not working through votes.
Speaking of peace, he said his role completely changed while he was infected.

Different55 wrote:

I was blocked N1. Unless I punch through roleblocks I couldn't have infected peace. Which means someone else did. Which means that there's a secondary infection vector. The only reason a secondary vector is on the table is because it couldn't have been me because I was blocked. Without that, there's literally no reason to believe such a thing exists.

Different55 wrote:

Woah where are you pulling this nonsense that the vote infection isn't blockable? Nothing anywhere indicates that

Different55 wrote:

Peace's whole thing against me is that he voted for me and was infected the next day. He honestly has no idea how he got infected, but he guesses it's the same as him. He says at night he can choose to infect anyone who voted for him. It does not say it's unblockable. If there's a secondary vector there's less reason to believe I'm the source. Because at that point you've completely lost yourself in the middle of a "Diff used a secondary ability to infect the person who voted for him all while punching through a roleblocks and btw he's immune to nightkills too" spaghettified mess.
If I didn't believe you weren't town I'd tell you to take a step back and rebuild from the beginning but as near as I can tell you're just trying to confuse things as much as you can on your way out.

Different55 wrote:

Crybaby wrote:
He didnt seem unsure at all. No 'um' or 'I think' about you having infected him at all.
Because he's basing it all on his limited info. I was blocked that night. Infection counts as a night action. If infection can be done without a vote, there's literally no reason to suspect me. Peace is the only reason, and his info is extremely limited.
Even now, we have no idea if infection is automatic or a choice. If it's limited to one person or many. Peace should know all of that.
Read my last post for your citation again.

Different55 wrote:

And idk how Peace's role was but I don't appear to have a limit on the number of people I can infect. I'd be a bit surprised if he worked differently though. It's not a night action. I mean it is, but not !infect person. It's not a command it's just an action that happens to anyone who voted for me. I have no actions I can go out and perform, I'm just addicted to votes. Only difference from my underlings is that I don't die if I don't get my fix.
Reason I singled out Zelda is because he's the only person who truly has no win condition right now. There's no physically possible combination of actions that let him fulfill his wincon. Another two have no hope of winning but strictly speaking your wincon is not physically impossible.

Different55 wrote:

I have no night actions. I automatically infect everyone. N1 I sent in no night actions, tonight I'll be sending in no night actions.

Different55 wrote:

I wasn't lying, as near as I can tell I automatically infect everyone who votes for me.

Pqwerty · 2019-12-07 20:26:55

!unvote

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-07 20:38:05

Peace, it's obvious you're scum, even if you aren't Mafia, which I highly doubt since the only other scum roles are Hitman and Patient Zero which already have claimspaces filled.

You're trying to pin me as mafia so you appear as town for voting for me, but Mutant's investigation proves that I am town, and furthermore, the openly revealed scum are against me, and Pqwerty and Diff have both openly showed their will to off me. You siding with them, regardless of your alignment, shows you're aligning yourself with scum, and thus anti-town.

To further top it off, Pqwerty showed off the point where you said "I forgot to do an action" and night ended early, which meant more likely than not, you did do your action.

peace · 2019-12-07 20:51:11

how tf do i need to know what onjits mechanics are of i forgot to do an action what if there is a time manipulator role?

peace · 2019-12-07 20:51:37

i mean what the **** guys its after all an closed setup

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-07 21:15:07

You're throwing "what if" scenarios to back up your claim. All the town roles have claimed, Patient Zero, Hitman, and Mafia fill up the other claim slots.

The only role that could possibly be this "Time Master" would be Mafia, and if there was a Mafia Time Master, we would have seen previous nights speed up as well, so that they might prevent town from using their roles and only Mafia could use their role.

peace · 2019-12-07 21:17:52

yeah and so i haeve claimed what is your point? let me get the playerlist again and the roles they cliamed

peace · 2019-12-07 21:19:53

Onjit wrote:

Players
ShadowsEdge RB
Slabdrill victory cop
mutantdevle fac. cop
peace role cop
Pqwerty hitman
Different55 P0
ZeldaXD brothersin arm

peace · 2019-12-07 21:26:14

many of those roles can be both aligged
RB is obvious blocking poeple that are dangerous
victory cop coudl be usefull for mafia to prioritize thier kills over winconditions (killing only 1 bothers in arrm to make the other useless)
fac. cop coudl alos be very great when dealing wiht many factions which is the case in this closed setup becuiase i think we have 4/5 factions town town-lean (for exmapl ebrothers in arm or basically all mitn green roles) mafia fever and hitman/neatral/whateverpqwerty's faction is
role cop is alos obvious prioritize kills
hitman coudl actualy alos be mafia allgied and be a mafiamember but im not sure
P0 is just P0 and not mafia nor town alliged
brothers in arm is in theory only town/townlean but zelda could fake claim it and get away wiht it while none countercliams here but i doubt thaat is the case now becuase somoene shoudlev CCed here rn if thats teh case if she really fi maf and none CC's here then thats literally just dymb and striaght **** up

ShadowsEdge · 2019-12-07 22:52:18

Hitman is not Mafia aligned, because if it were, they would be in Mafia chat, and Pqwerty, being the obvious hitman, would know who the other Mafia is. But they figured it out the same as anyone else would.

Furthermore, if Pqwerty was Mafia-aligned, why would he reveal who his partner in crime was? That would only solve the game for the town.

And Kirby's rolecard makes a distinction between mafia members and the Hitman. It claims the criminals as "Three Mafia and a Hitman" (Paraphrasing). If Hitman was Mafia-aligned, it would simply say "Four Mafia." The distinction makes it more likely that Hitman is neutral.

As for my "point." You're throwing random scenarios that could be true in order to depict yourself as town. It's the same thing Diff did in order to make people think he wasn't Patient Zero. Using "what if" scenarios doesn't help your case, it only adds a possibility of the scenario. And my point in that case was to debunk why that possibility couldn't be true.

peace · 2019-12-07 22:55:23

ShadowsEdge wrote:

Hitman is not Mafia aligned, because if it were, they would be in Mafia chat, and Pqwerty, being the obvious hitman, would know who the other Mafia is. But they figured it out the same as anyone else would.
Furthermore, if Pqwerty was Mafia-aligned, why would he reveal who his partner in crime was? That would only solve the game for the town.
And Kirby's rolecard makes a distinction between mafia members and the Hitman. It claims the criminals as "Three Mafia and a Hitman" (Paraphrasing). If Hitman was Mafia-aligned, it would simply say "Four Mafia." The distinction makes it more likely that Hitman is neutral.
As for my "point." You're throwing random scenarios that could be true in order to depict yourself as town. It's the same thing Diff did in order to make people think he wasn't Patient Zero. Using "what if" scenarios doesn't help your case, it only adds a possibility of the scenario. And my point in that case was to debunk why that possibility couldn't be true.

he could b ebussing and then again IF im mafia look back at kira lynch D2

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