Mafia 22 [Loaf and Sangas Win]

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 12:23:43

Do you mean that you think I’m Mafia and killed NorwegianboyEE? Don’t you think that the mafia knows what NorwegianboyEE is hinting, so they decided to kill NorwegianboyEE and let other people think I’m Mafia?

Zumza · 2019-04-25 12:26:15

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Do you mean that you think I’m Mafia and killed NorwegianboyEE? Don’t you think that the mafia knows what NorwegianboyEE is hinting, so they decided to kill NorwegianboyEE and let other people think I’m Mafia?

It could be a framing.

mutantdevle · 2019-04-25 12:28:18

Anatoly wrote:

But wait, are the blue ones evil?

I don't consider the loaf faction to be evil. But that's entirely their decision.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Do you guys really want me to tell you my role so you can trust me?

I don't think anyone should be telling anyone else their role unless they are at L-2 or L-1.

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

if we make sure they don’t have the majority of people, they won’t win.

This is not the mentality to have. We can both win, we don't need to try to prevent them from winning.

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 12:31:25

Oh I thought only one team can win

Zumza · 2019-04-25 12:45:20

From my understanding if one of the loafs dies. They become a second mafia, they will have to lynch both the town and the actual mafia to win, as they have no kill-ability.
So it is in town interest not to lynch a loaf.
I think Crybaby disproved an affiliation to this gang as they claimed they are willing to die for the grater good. B2 however, kinda warned us, that we are going to regret if we lynch them.

mutantdevle, 2b55b5g

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 12:52:59

What I said what if I am lynched, towns will lose another chance of lynching mafia, not lynching loaf. But when I was guessing Frex is loaf I said not to ‘waste’ a lynch on loaf.

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 12:53:21

What I said was*

I hate typos

mrjawapa · 2019-04-25 12:53:52

I agree that zumza looks scummy. I would be happy to explain why, but I'm on mobile.

!lynch zumza

mutantdevle · 2019-04-25 12:59:07

My take on this whole 2B55 vs Zumza argument is that crybaby is mafia.

I think that 2B55's case on Zumza had 1 good point in it at best. That being Zumza's wagon-hopping being a little hypocritical. The rest of the case just highlighted things that a lot of other people have also done and aren't considered to be that bad. So I find it kinda odd that crybaby would react to it as though he had just provide lots of examples of contradiction and wrongdoing.

Crybaby wrote:

especially more now that he's bringing up some very good points against you.

Crybaby wrote:

I'm voting for you because of the evidence that's starting to pile up against you at the moment.

This kind of portrayal of 2B55's post makes me think that crybaby is trying to frame it as much more impressive than it was with intent to try and make others agree that Zumza is scummy. In my opinion, 2B55's case is exactly what I'd expect from a noob so crybaby's praise seems unfounded.

I also think that crybaby's response to Zumza's vote was over the top. It was clearly a throw away vote designed to spark a bit of discussion. The whole response of "you think I'm mafia for defending myself?" again seems illfounded. First of all, Zumza never said he was voting crybaby for defending themself. I'd hardly call the words "excuse me" as being a 'defence', more a request for elaboration on what the hell anatoly actually meant. So to then get so defensive over something so little would suggest to me that crybaby has something to hide if they think small actions are serious attacks.

Crybaby wrote:

^Especially considering most of my posts in this thread are serious.

Crybaby wrote:

It's inevitable that someone will suspect me

Crybaby wrote:

I'm always going to be suspected

Things like this just further emphasises how paranoid crybaby seems to be all of a sudden. Why is it inevitable that someone would vote you? Is it because you know you're guilty and hence think people are going to be picking up on that?

Crybaby wrote:

I admit, honestly I was sort of riding the bandwagon. I have no real defense for that

This especially irks me. Why would you need a defence for that? No one was accusing you of being scum for riding the bandwagon. No one had even mentioned you were riding a bandwagon... This is an admission of guilt that just came out of the blue. An admission of guilt that no one else percieved except crybaby.

Crybaby wrote:

If the town votes to lynch either you or me tonight, then the other one is going to be suspected of being the Mafia. In the chance that we're both innocent, we're letting the Mafia have their way by turning against each other.

I think that this is the nail in the coffin for me. This basically translates to: "If Zumza is lynched and flips town, you shouldn't just lynch me next because that's what the mafia would want!". Already, crybaby is setting up a defence for the Zumza town flip that they are expecting.

!lynch Crybaby

Zumza, 2b55b5g, Different55

mutantdevle · 2019-04-25 13:07:42

Zumza wrote:

Inactive persons have a high potential of being mafia, as well as people who are sketchy about what they say, people who are getting things out of context, and people who are easily steered into a certain direction.

I wouldn't say that inactive people have a high chance of being mafia, just that if there are a lot of inactive people then the mafia can easily get away with doing nothing and winning (I've won games like that before on MafiaScum). Hence, it is a good idea to lynch inactive people to discourage that kind of culture from forming.

I also don't think that people being steered in a certain direction is necessarily a mafia trait. Town do it just as much as scum. It more comes from people who are less confident in their abilities and hence look to other's opinions to guide them.

Zumza wrote:

Also, chronologically, NorwegianboyEE was the first who hinted that 2B might be scum.

Zumza wrote:

And now they are dead.

I think this is a good point that I've only just come to realise. This kind of throwaway line is exactly the kind of thing that I'd expect someone who is new to mafia to make a night kill over. Especially since not a lot went on day 1 so there's very little substance to perform night kills on. I do question, however, would any mafia team with 2B55 in really let him decide the kill? Regardless, this has made me doubt my town read on 2B55 a bit but I'd still want to see Crybaby lynched first.

Anatoly · 2019-04-25 13:16:03

!listvotes

Zumza, 2b55b5g, mrjawapa

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 13:20:56

I think if I am mafia I would probably kill the person who I think will threaten them the most. (maybe Mutantdevle or Zumza?) But NorwegianboyEE is just a person who hinted that I might be a scum.

If I really did what NorwegianboyEE said (pretends to be noob then kill someone), it’s just stupid.

Anatoly · 2019-04-25 13:20:58

I do not believe Zumza is sangasan (or however they're called) or loaf.

Looks like the player is just aggressively voting, considering D1 didn't went like he wanted it:

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

!Endday

Zumza wrote:

I think we found this game's noob already.

Also considering that Norwegianboy was killed that night, I doubt he would be picked by Zumza's team (if we assume they called him noob)

2b55b5g

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 13:24:46

Why would Mafia kill a noob if they do almost no threat to them?

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 13:25:57

Zumza wrote:

I think we found this game's noob already.

Now I’m curious who is the noob. Me and NorwegianboyEE are both new players. Who is the noob?

Anatoly · 2019-04-25 13:37:12

2B55B5G TNG wrote:

Zumza wrote:
I think we found this game's noob already.
Now I’m curious who is the noob. Me and NorwegianboyEE are both new players. Who is the noob?

He said thegame

He meant NorwegianBoy as he wanted to end a day, when Zumba clearly wanted to random vote

mrjawapa · 2019-04-25 13:47:40

Can we stop fighting

TaskManager · 2019-04-25 13:49:54

mrjawapa wrote:

Can we stop fighting

nah we're bloodthirsty and that rope is yet to be tested with somebody's weight

mutantdevle, 2b55b5g, mrjawapa

Anatoly · 2019-04-25 13:52:08

mrjawapa wrote:

Can we stop fighting

How do you plan on defeating the mafia if you don't want a quality discussion?

RailMat, 2b55b5g

Onjit · 2019-04-25 14:36:58

Current votes:

[3] Zumza: Crybaby, Jawapa, Mutantdevle
[1] Anatoly: Kirby
[1] Crybaby: Zumza

6 votes needed for majority.

2b55b5g · 2019-04-25 14:45:38

Mutantdevle lynched Crybaby, not Zumza.

Onjit

Onjit · 2019-04-25 14:54:22

Uhhhh I was just testing you! And you passed!

Current votes:

[2] Zumza: Crybaby, Jawapa
[2] Crybaby: Zumza, Mutantdevle
[1] Anatoly: Kirby

6 votes needed for majority.

2b55b5g, TaskManager

Different55 · 2019-04-25 15:05:22

So are we lynching someone today? How much time do we have left now? 13-ish hours?

Anatoly · 2019-04-25 15:09:58

Different55 wrote:

So are we lynching someone today? How much time do we have left now? 13-ish hours?

Onjit wrote:

Schlog has been replaced due to inactivity. He will be replaced by Anatoly.
Current votes:
[3] Anatoly: Kirby, TaskManager, Zumza
6 votes needed for majority.
Due to this change in players, Day 2 will be extended. Day 2 now ends in 24 hours.

today at ca. 5:45, anyway

As it's now ca. 16:15

Oh god, where are my math skills during holidays?

13 hours and a half?

Onjit

Different55 · 2019-04-25 15:10:07

Heck I wasn't ready to send that post

Alright we got 13 hours left and 2 equally sized lynch targets. Let's pick one and pay close attention to who tries to push it in any direction.

Personally leaning towards Crybaby since a lot of their posts come off as... I guess "manipulative" to me. I'm really not sure I believe they're actually scum but I think they're a safer bet than Zumza at the moment and I really don't want to enter D3 still with 0 lynches.

2b55b5g, RailMat

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