Random LGBT+ debates 'n stuff

Norwee · 2018-06-05 07:03:02

Stop being so tolerant guys. The real way to solve this issue is to upvote youtube comments on "SJW cringe compilation #6" that openly hate on feminists and transexuals.

Master1, Onjit, Pyromaniac, Slabdrill

Pyromaniac · 2018-06-05 13:46:34

holy **** you guys are the worst lol

Onjit, Luka504

TaskManager · 2018-06-05 14:15:17

NorwegianboyEE wrote:

Stop being so tolerant guys. The real way to solve this issue is to upvote youtube comments on "SJW cringe compilation #6" that openly hate on feminists and transexuals.

I agree with you but can I upwoot your post cause I'm too lazy to go on YouTube.com and upvote comments?

Thanks.

mrjawapa · 2018-06-05 14:36:55

Pyromaniac wrote:

holy **** you guys are the worst lol

Great contribution. Glad you stopped by.

IanJanes · 2018-06-05 16:29:09

Right now we live in a really wacky world, I completely support homosexual marriage and stuff like that. But their are like only two sexuality's, gay and straight. Nothing less, nothing more. No, **** dogs isn't a sexuality, it's just a weird religion or some other stuff. But back to what I was saying, I think dedicating an entire month to pride is just dumb, no good really. If we are "celebrating" things like that, or months like black history month why can't we have white history month or white straight male month? Seriously?! Having the month defeats the purpose of itself when if you aren't gay you are shunned, it just doesn't make sense. Can we just toss all the sjw's into a mosh pit, they would kill each other saying who was right and who was wrong. No one today can agree, and yes sometimes opinions are wrong.

Edit: Oops didn't raalize that there was a bisectualtiy.

mrjawapa · 2018-06-05 17:30:07

IanJanes wrote:

sometimes opinions are wrong.

An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.

IanJanes wrote:

when if you aren't gay you are shunned,

I doubt this has ever happened. To anyone, ever.

mutantdevle · 2018-06-05 18:20:23

IanJanes wrote:

But their are like only two sexuality's, gay and straight.

This is factually wrong.

I'm bisexual. I can be attracted to anyone.

There's also asexual. In simple terms, it's a lack of sexual attraction to anyone (though in reality, it's more complex than that).

There are also many other sexualities which are, generally, more defined definitions and specifications of the previously mentioned sexualities. Eg, a pansexual is a bisexual except with the emphasis that gender is irrelevant to their sexual attraction or someone who is homoromantic doesn't really feel sexual attraction but still wants to date people of their own gender.

You could argue that those more defined definitions of someone's sexuality are not necessary but, at the very least, 4 terms are needed to cover the general principle of sexual attraction.

IanJanes

Xfrogman43 · 2018-06-05 18:36:53

IanJanes wrote:

white history month

relevant:

mutantdevle, IanJanes, N1KF, Slabdrill, Norwee, BuzzerBee

lex · 2018-06-05 19:34:04

IanJanes wrote:

But their are like only two sexuality's, gay and straight. Nothing less, nothing more. No, **** dogs isn't a sexuality, it's just a weird religion or some other stuff. But back to what I was saying, I think dedicating an entire month to pride is just dumb, no good really. If we are "celebrating" things like that, or months like black history month why can't we have white history month or white straight male month? Seriously?! Having the month defeats the purpose of itself when if you aren't gay you are shunned, it just doesn't make sense. Can we just toss all the sjw's into a mosh pit, they would kill each other saying who was right and who was wrong. No one today can agree, and yes sometimes opinions are wrong.

This is a bit of a confusing post to me. Bisexualty exists for one, but also as our ideas of gender change we may need new terms for sexuality to describe them. If you do not identify as a male or female then terms like straight and gay literally make zero sense when describing yourself.

As for the existence of pride month. As people become more accepting the main purpose of pride is more and more unnecessary. HOWEVER we still live in a world where LGBTQ people are second class citizens. Sexuality is not a protected class in the united states the way gender/race/disability are. Many Lgbtq teens still grow up being ashamed of who they are because bullying still happens. I have personally been passed up for promotions at jobs because I am a gay man. The reality is that while gay people are "main stream", a lot of lgbtq folks grow up feeling ashamed of who they are and pride exists to tell them that they are valid and that they belong. Even as we are more accepted pride exists to remind us where we came from, and what we have overcome.

I know your SJW point at the end is a bit of a hyperbole, but it seems pretty sad that you like the idea of killing anyone with an overzealous knack for justice. Some SJW are a bit heavy handed with their tactics and word choice(and a handful are just really bad at conveying a point), but at the end of the day they believe in a more just world, and is that really a bad thing?

IanJanes, Norwee

Abelysk · 2018-06-05 22:57:17

I like months dedicated to something--it beings organization, more concentration on present issues, etc. A strong example is your school's spirit week. On Monday it's crazy hair day, on Tuesday it's crazy sock day, on Wednesday it's Formal Day, on Thursday it's Silly Day, and on Friday it's School Spirit Day. Each day some students show school spirit by acknowledging the attire needed, but these students don't wear those clothing every day.

That's one example of the effect of honoring something for a day, week, or month. It brings people together, and it isn't too long (such as year-long) for people to grow tired of it. Having a month dedicated to pride lets people take breaks from their work, from school (also coincides with summer break for most people) to celebrate in parades and events.

And it's not just pride that does this. Holidays are very similar. Would you want Halloween all year long?

azurepudding · 2018-06-06 09:45:19

mrjawapa wrote:

IanJanes wrote:
sometimes opinions are wrong.
An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.

I think hitler had some wrong opinions, but that's just me I guess.

Luka504 · 2018-06-06 09:53:56

azurepudding wrote:

mrjawapa wrote:
IanJanes wrote:
sometimes opinions are wrong.
An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.
I think hitler had some wrong opinions, but that's just me I guess.

Like what

azurepudding · 2018-06-06 10:25:56

Luka504 wrote:

azurepudding wrote:
mrjawapa wrote:
IanJanes wrote:
sometimes opinions are wrong.
An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.
I think hitler had some wrong opinions, but that's just me I guess.
Like what

i'm refusing that bait.

TaskManager · 2018-06-06 13:09:13

azurepudding wrote:

mrjawapa wrote:
IanJanes wrote:
sometimes opinions are wrong.
An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.
I think hitler had some wrong opinions, but that's just me I guess.

Terrible analogy
Jawapa meant objectively right or objectively wrong
Although, as you implied, Hitler's "opinions" are "wrong", they are actually just disagreed with by majority of the people, which means they are wrong SUBJECTIVELY from the point of view of people that disagree with him and his "opinions". There's no truthfully right side to any opinion that would decide what's wrong and what isn't
And I'm not even mentioning that you're confusing opinions with decisions

Luka504 · 2018-06-06 19:28:27

azurepudding wrote:

Luka504 wrote:
azurepudding wrote:
mrjawapa wrote:
IanJanes wrote:
sometimes opinions are wrong.
An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.
I think hitler had some wrong opinions, but that's just me I guess.
Like what
i'm refusing that bait.

What bait? You proposed the idea that Hitler had wrong opinions and I'm asking you to elaborate.

Zoey2070 · 2018-06-06 19:51:37

murder is wrong, guys

azurepudding · 2018-06-06 20:41:26

TaskManager wrote:

azurepudding wrote:
mrjawapa wrote:
IanJanes wrote:
sometimes opinions are wrong.
An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.
I think hitler had some wrong opinions, but that's just me I guess.
Terrible analogy
Jawapa meant objectively right or objectively wrong
Although, as you implied, Hitler's "opinions" are "wrong", they are actually just disagreed with by majority of the people, which means they are wrong SUBJECTIVELY from the point of view of people that disagree with him and his "opinions". There's no truthfully right side to any opinion that would decide what's wrong and what isn't
And I'm not even mentioning that you're confusing opinions with decisions

How is it terrible? are you really trying to argue a technicality just to call me wrong on this. no. hitler was wrong, objectively wrong. calling for the murder of millions of people is not the equivalent of claiming blue is the best color. one is a wrong opinion. the other is subjective.

a decision is caused by an opinion, and decisions can be wrong, so opinions can also be wrong. but not always. committing genocide is a wrong decision, but painting your house blue because you like blue isn't right or wrong. it's just what you like.

edit: simply put: an opinion is wrong if it involves harming others. otherwise it is subjective.

John · 2018-06-06 20:54:15

I have accidentally called someone the wrong pronoun and was corrected respectfully.

I agree with what N1KF said:

N1KF wrote:

I think it's good to show manners and respect other peoples' small requests.

Reason:

So basically I was raised as an Episcopalian (I'm no longer religious) which is accepting of everyone, including LGBT and other identities. If I were to become religious again, I would likely be an Episcopalian.
In addition, my parents have taught me to treat everyone with dignity and respect because appearances don't matter, so that's what I try to do. (I would be a lair if I said that I don't judge people, because I do unfortunately. I also believe that all people have a bit of prejudice in them but that's irrelevant.)

If people don't support the LGBT lifestyle, then that's their choice. People shouldn't be attacked for what they believe in. I have several friends both in real life and online who don't support the lifestyle, and that's okay.
I on the other hand, don't plan on being LGBT but I respect others' who are. I'm not going to lie, I find it weird, but who really am I (or anyone) to tell these people what's wrong and what's right?

From episcopalchurch.org:
"In 1976, the General Convention of the Episcopal Church declared that “homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church" (1976-A069). Since then, faithful Episcopalians have been working toward a greater understanding and radical inclusion of all of God’s children."

The Episcopal Church & LGBT+ Facts
1976 - Declared "homosexual persons are children of God who have a full and equal claim with all other persons upon the love, acceptance, and pastoral concern and care of the Church".
2003 - First openly gay bishop of the Episcopal Church was consecrated
2009 - General Convention resolved that God’s call is open to all
2012 - A provisional rite of blessing for same-gender relationships was authorized, and discrimination against transgender persons in the ordination process was officially prohibited
2015 - The canons of the church were changed to make the rite of marriage available to all people, regardless of gender.

mrjawapa, Norwee, mutantdevle, Slabdrill

TaskManager · 2018-06-06 21:28:18

azurepudding wrote:

TaskManager wrote:
azurepudding wrote:
mrjawapa wrote:
IanJanes wrote:
sometimes opinions are wrong.
An opinion can't be right or wrong. That's why it's an opinion.
I think hitler had some wrong opinions, but that's just me I guess.
Terrible analogy
Jawapa meant objectively right or objectively wrong
Although, as you implied, Hitler's "opinions" are "wrong", they are actually just disagreed with by majority of the people, which means they are wrong SUBJECTIVELY from the point of view of people that disagree with him and his "opinions". There's no truthfully right side to any opinion that would decide what's wrong and what isn't
And I'm not even mentioning that you're confusing opinions with decisions
How is it terrible? are you really trying to argue a technicality just to call me wrong on this. no. hitler was wrong, objectively wrong. calling for the murder of millions of people is not the equivalent of claiming blue is the best color. one is a wrong opinion. the other is subjective.
a decision is caused by an opinion, and decisions can be wrong, so opinions can also be wrong. but not always. committing genocide is a wrong decision, but painting your house blue because you like blue isn't right or wrong. it's just what you like.
edit: simply put: an opinion is wrong if it involves harming others. otherwise it is subjective.

and if we lived in a barbaric world with bloodthirsty humans (essentially, middle ages or authoritatian regimes of 20th century), committing genocide (especially in the name of religion or ideology!) would be considered right from the point of view of the people that follow the said religion/ideology
you call it "objectively" wrong cause it is considered wrong by most people on this planet, but the fact that SOME people DISAGREE WITH IT does not make it UNIVERSALLY wrong from ANY point of view, since we (the planet) still have neo-nazis, 4chan trolls and people that simply dont care if its right or wrong. only if it would be UNIVERSALLY wrong, then it would be OBJECTIVELY wrong.

azurepudding wrote:

edit: simply put: an opinion is wrong if it involves harming others. otherwise it is subjective.

please show me where does it state as a fact that an opinion is "objectively wrong" if it involves harming people.
opinion: i think that in case of being attacked by someone i am allowed to strike back as a matter of self defense. is this wrong? even if you say it is, there will certainly be people that say it is right and this disagreement already denies the question's objective "right/wrong" answer

N1KF, Luka504

mrjawapa · 2018-06-06 21:42:47

Zoey2070 wrote:

murder is wrong, guys

azurepudding wrote:

hitler was wrong, objectively wrong. calling for the murder of millions of people is not the equivalent of claiming blue is the best color. one is a wrong opinion. the other is subjective.

azurepudding wrote:

an opinion is wrong if it involves harming others.

Well... we could get deep and philosophical. Saying 2 + 2 = 5 is factually wrong, because we can prove it. Murder is morally wrong.
There are instances where religions have justified murder.

azurepudding wrote:

How is it terrible? are you really trying to argue a technicality just to call me wrong on this.

Because apples to oranges.

John wrote:

People shouldn't be attacked for what they believe in.

5/5

Luka504

N1KF · 2018-06-06 22:41:21

You can't say that harming another person is objectively bad unless you have an objective definition for harm.

Luka504

Luka504 · 2018-06-06 22:48:43

An objective truth doesn't exist azure. As long as at least one person disagrees, it is automatically not objectively true, regardless of the huge majority who do agree.
Heck, even if you do hit a unanimous agreement about a subject it still wouldn't count as an objective truth. If you can disagree with it - It's not objective.

TaskManager · 2018-06-06 22:52:17

mrjawapa wrote:

Zoey2070 wrote:
murder is wrong, guys
TaskManager wrote:
hitler was wrong, objectively wrong. calling for the murder of millions of people is not the equivalent of claiming blue is the best color. one is a wrong opinion. the other is subjective.
azurepudding wrote:
an opinion is wrong if it involves harming others.
Well... we could get deep and philosophical. Saying 2 + 2 = 5 is factually wrong, because we can prove it. Murder is morally wrong.
There are instances where religions have justified murder.
azurepudding wrote:
How is it terrible? are you really trying to argue a technicality just to call me wrong on this.
Because apples to oranges.
John wrote:
People shouldn't be attacked for what they believe in.
5/5

hey fix the ownership of the 2nd quote thank

Norwee · 2018-06-07 00:04:10

John wrote:

episcopalianism

Wow that’s very interesting. I didn’t even know this group existed before i read this, but apparently it has history all the way back to 17th century and with practisioners in Taiwan? (I’ve travelled there recently) So an American based religious group with more liberal leanings, that’s super interesting.
As i was born into an christian but at the same time, highly secular society. (All the people i know in my city are christian in name only, they go to church only for rituals like marriage, funerals, or baptizing. They live their life without thinking much about god, thus kind of making us atheists? Or at least very lazy and unmotivated christians...) i find it facinating how the more inclusive and relevant religious groups in the US influence the thinking of it’s practisioners. While i doubt i’d ever care enough about religion to join any kind of religious group, that one you grew up in seems to have many values i would feel comfortable with.

N1KF, Slabdrill

azurepudding · 2018-06-07 00:52:33

i can't believe people are actually defending hitler and so i'll save myself some time here as arguing for the sake of arguing is annoying

mrjawapa wrote:

azurepudding wrote:
How is it terrible? are you really trying to argue a technicality just to call me wrong on this.
Because apples to oranges.

that doesn't explain anything. it was claimed opinions can't be wrong, i listed an example of a wrong opinion. how is that apples to oranges? it's more like you claimed apples are always red but i countered with an apple that is green or yellow. a yellow/green apple is not an orange, it's an apple.

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