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Gosha

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

can any1 tell me the correct explanation of the word "scum" in mafia games

Onjit

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

"scum" generally refers to anyone who is a threat to the town (ie. mafia, serial killer, etc)

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Onjit

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

If you haven't already, you should check out the mafiascum wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
It's got basically all of the definitions that you'll need.

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

Vote count:

[3] Slabdrill - Evilbunny, Devlin, Onjit (L-2)
[1] Processor - Gosha

5 votes needed for majority.

Question: Would a witch count as a threat? Like all they do is switch people's night actions.
Also would an executioner count as a threat? They're only a threat to their target, not the whole town.

If it is not sided with the Town, it is a threat to the Town.

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

Welp time to start lynching all the survivor roles then...

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Gosha

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

btw !unvote

hummerz5

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

do not lynch slabdrill.

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

do not lynch slabdrill.

why? That's a sudden declaration, what gives?

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hummerz5

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

We're at L-2 and making the wrong choice is all

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

!unvote

What makes you so sure it's the wrong decision?

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Evilbunny

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

That was just a stupid thing to do... It was not guaranteed they would have thought of that... I didn't think of it, Hummerz didn't think of it, Evilbunny didn't think of it.

No, I did think of it was was going to mention it tomorrow. I had already said a few possibilities of why proc wouldn't be guaranteed scum if there aren't 2 kills. I also knew if slab is scum and there are 0 kills then it is possible the SK wouldn't do anything. Even if they do try to kill, luka might stop it.

Either way,  saying this plan out loud really doesn't change anything from my perspective, it just organizes the town a little bit.

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

Hummerz if you have something to say that confirms both you and proc then I think you might as well say it. That would leave us with only 4 uncomfirmed people. Onjit, devlin, slab, and gosha.

Literally anybody could be a target tonight.

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Onjit

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

Wait a second... since when was EB confirmed?

All they did was claim a role that's hard to disprove, along with two claims of checks that are somewhat meaningless if you think about it.

Claim 1: Proc did not visit anyone [N1]
If Proc is scum, he wouldn't disagree with being told that he did nothing N1 (it'd clear him of suspicions), and if he was town, he wouldn't disagree with the truth (nothing to hide).

Claim 2: Luka visited Alphajon [N2]
This is a very easy claim to make up, as it was known that Luka was the doctor and Alphajon is the roleblocker, so it'd be fairly obvious that Luka would want to protect Alphajon.

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Just putting it out there, the Tracker is a pretty easy role to fakeclaim, especially in a closed game.

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Onjit

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

!unvote

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mutantdevle

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

Hummerz if you have something to say that confirms both you and proc then I think you might as well say it. That would leave us with only 4 uncomfirmed people. Onjit, devlin, slab, and gosha.

Literally anybody could be a target tonight.

What exactly makes people confirmed the role they say they are? A role claim? People can still lie about that. The only people I'd be willing to vote tonight are Slabdrill, Gosha and Proc. Everyone else I either consider to be the role they claim they are or Townie.

Wait a second... since when was EB confirmed?

All they did was claim a role that's hard to disprove, along with two claims of checks that are somewhat meaningless if you think about it.

Claim 1: Proc did not visit anyone [N1]
If Proc is scum, he wouldn't disagree with being told that he did nothing N1 (it'd clear him of suspicions), and if he was town, he wouldn't disagree with the truth (nothing to hide).

Claim 2: Luka visited Alphajon [N2]
This is a very easy claim to make up, as it was known that Luka was the doctor and Alphajon is the roleblocker, so it'd be fairly obvious that Luka would want to protect Alphajon.

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Just putting it out there, the Tracker is a pretty easy role to fakeclaim, especially in a closed game.

I don't think we need to start turning against each other. I believe Evilbunny's role claim or at the very least I have considered them town since I changed my vote on them on day 1.

Can we just go with Evilbunny's plan? At least that has some structure to it. And if you're worried about Evilbunny being scum and hence is manipulating us here then surely the cop role can just investigate Evilbunny tonight and role claim tomorrow if needed?

@Hummerz I'm still interested as to why you suddenly decided that we shouldn't vote Slabdrill.

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

Actually nvm that safe guard of the cop investigating Evilbunny probably wont work. Since our cop is probably exactly the same as the Mafia's one meaning they can only tell if they have a role or not.

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hummerz5

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

so uh anyhow the living folk are
1. Gosha - ??
3. hummerz5 - ?? (town read! lol)
6. Slabdrill - town read
7. luka504 - doc claim
8. Evilbunny - tracker claim
9. AlphaJon - blocker claim
10. Onjit - ??
12. Devlin - town read
13. Processor - ??

so I guess personally I'd like to see these folk considered for lynch/investigation:

onjit
gosha
proc

followed second tier by Evilbunny, slabdrill, luka

third tier: devlin alphajon myself :3

why not slabdrill? well I'm kinda strapped for time but jkdrip? (the mafioso, admittedly) had a point that not having a separate motive doesn't necessarily mean they're scum. Further, I pointed out that at least a sheep or two does help prevent a nolynch. further, just the general read of things.

if we fail the lynch, we lose two and are down to 7. not bad odds, but if the sk turns out to be devlin or something I mean rip

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Gosha

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

is it save to reveal your town-role now? i see most of the players did

Gosha

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

also we would left with scums only (almost)

hummerz5

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

p sure mass reveal isn't a good thing but idk

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

is it save to reveal your town-role now? i see most of the players did

I'd say at this point it would be kinda safe to reveal since the Mafia and SK can't kill every power role can they? And so far they've decided not to kill any... so maybe yeah.

But ask yourself these few things first:

Will revealing your role give us new USEFUL information?
Will revealing your role make you undesirable #1 to the Mafia?
Will revealing your role stop us from lynching you?
Are we going to believe you anyway?

Since there is a bit of suspicion on you I think you should. If we believe you then it should clear your name and narrow down our suspects which would be helpful for the town.

Also @hummerz I can assure you I'm not the serial killer I would have thought you would know that Also you've convinced me to back off on Slabdrill for now and I can see where you're coming from with Onjit. I'm not so sure about Onjit though since I would have thought the Mafia would be in a better position that they are if Onjit was on their side.

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

But poor Onjit, if Maria, had a new player and a cheater. I think the former just got sour luck. So his prowess couldn't help them really.

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Gosha

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

omg onjit mafia

Gosha

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

I'm not so sure about Onjit though since I would have thought the Mafia would be in a better position that they are if Onjit was on their side.

It's because
1st mafia was modkilled
2nd was killed on the second night

They didn't have time to get a better position
All they did is killing diff

So Onjit might be mafia but i am not sure about it

Processor

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Re: Mafia 13 game [TOWN WINS!]

That was just a stupid thing to do... It was not guaranteed they would have thought of that... I didn't think of it, Hummerz didn't think of it, Evilbunny didn't think of it. Well you've just insured that if the scum did not realise that then they certainly do now. You've just dug the hole of your own grave and put uncertainty into the plan. Unless of course you are the SK in which case you are the SK in which obviously you saying it wouldn't have mattered either way.

You're directly attacking me and I am going to defend myself and not rely on the SK's stupidity to survive. Your plan is flawed and I do not want a mislynch for town.

Of course you couldn't coordinate it without taking about it in this chat, but now the SK knows about your plan and knows how to work around it.

I think that we're close enough to winning the game that they'd be more likely to take action.

No, they will be closer to winning the game if they take no action and cause a mislynch for town.

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