What's the problem with religion?

Anatoly · 2017-07-10 13:13:04

Today we learned in religion, that you have to forgive everyone. What means if someone steals your son, hits you, atacks you verbally (textually ?) or damages you or your wife, Forgive him! Because Jesus Christ said! You should forgive him!

Also we learned that every materially object has rights. Your T-Shirt has rights to not be worn. Your Computer has rights to not be used, etc.

Also @Pingo insert your funny chat from the funny chats topic about the god created sun on 4th day or anything, also which sun did he create, etc.

So,

Religions, what are your problems?

Vinyl Melody

Mieaz · 2017-07-10 13:31:46

The problem with religion is that it does not give you straight answers about god, it just gives you a lot of fallacies

This got me so confused that I stopped caring about religion

Until I get straight yes/no/god's_dead.jpg answer to "is there a god?" I won't care much about it

To get back to your post, I have a feeling you're interpreting that jesus thing wrong, I don't think much things in religion are "just do this" (except these 10 rules or idk)

I guess there are much more complex chains of philosophy & morals in that statement than just "forgive him because you should"

edit: do NOT insert your funny pics or whatever, I'd rather this be on-topic than blaming certain groups of people

hummerz5 · 2017-07-10 14:16:36

Yeah the forgiving is a thing. More often than not, I imagine the scenarios you bring up involve people who ignore that forgiving part. To some extent.

I can see why someone might tell you all material objects have rights because accepting that as truth naturally implies that humans have some rights if not more.

My problem is the tendency of cultures to create religions. What says the mayan/incan gods weren't actually true and our christianity attempts are just mythology on steroids?

Mieaz

HeyNK · 2017-07-10 14:42:20

The biggest problem with religion is that there are so many false ones it's crazy. If you're born into the wrong culture you might end up becoming a terrorist or raised on some empty dying tribal era religion in southeast asia. Did you know that bhuddism is actually projected to shrink in popularity over the next large number of years? i found that interesting. Usually it is only athiests that shrink in popularity because thier birthrates are so low. It always warms my heart when I see that people are giving up on traditional chinese religion because it's false. Also: the fastest I have ever seen any religion vanish was when Japan got nuked. No not because both the nukes were dropped on the highest Christian populaion cities in Japan ( pure co-incidence... im sure... ) but because when the emporer surrendered everyone lost faith in him because they sort of treated it as a religion of nationalism.

Mieaz wrote:

I guess there are much more complex chains of philosophy & morals in that statement than just "forgive him because you should"

Yes it is correct. There are long chains of why you should do everything in Christianity (Read: if you ignore most of the heretical offshoots IE. anglicans, mormons (not actually Christian), JWs, that one potters house cult, unitarian universalists, [insert protestant denom here], orthodox abortionists, etc.). The tl;dr of forgivness is really that you must understand how temporary the material world is, and how insignificant any transgression against you would be in eternity. (Read. Revelation 21:4) "But there are such horrible things that happen!! Like babies get bone marrow cancer!!!" - Sadly this suffering is finite and it cannot even begin to compete with eternal joy / damnation. Any good mathematician knows not to mess with infinity because you can't. So even as the worst of things happen to you (which they probably wont), keep your eyes on eternity and the ultimate consequences of actions and stay in memory of God.

And I would also like to point out that while I may have made it seem like sufferings of the world may be insignificant I would also like to state that is in fact not the case. Of course some atheists claim that since there is evil in the world God does not exist.

▼side note on this topic

OK back to the main point : which is that suffering in the world is not meaningless but rather, if we unite our suffering in Christ (other way of saying this: understand the ultimate purpose of our suffering), it will be greatly diminished. What???? If you pray, your hemorrhoids hurt less?!?!? No that probably isnt going to happen. But if you trust that all things that are allowed to happen are for your eternal well being it makes it tolerable. But how??? HOWWW?? Well you see, from constant pain to minor inconvenience we should remember that love is synonymous with sacrifice, and by offering our pain to God, we express our love for him. And love leads to joy, even though there is suffering initially.

--- Thank you for reading!!!

tl;dr: In forgiving others and undergoing hardships you are expressing your love for God by rejecting the temporary and embracing the eternal.

Gosha · 2017-07-10 14:47:53

There are no problems with religion
Religion is a problem

HeyNK wrote:

The biggest problem with religion is that there are so many false ones it's crazy.

Sorry, did you mean "all of them"?

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hummerz5 · 2017-07-10 14:50:48

Gosha wrote:

There are no problems with religion
Religion is a problem

some radical offshoots, yes. but aren't there sociological benefits from religion that shouldn't be overlooked? There are psychological health benefits from community offered by churches. Can it be said that we would still strive for morality if we didn't have religion?

I mean we could say that we should, but without (for example) hellfire and brimstone for sinning, couldn't we see lighter views on things?

n1kf, since you're drawing the support for religion, have you read nietzche or I guess anything that contradicts your belief?

HeyNK · 2017-07-10 14:51:34

Gosha wrote:

Sorry, did you mean "all of them?"?

All but one. Which is 99%.

Norwee · 2017-07-10 16:18:27

HeyNK wrote:

Gosha wrote:
Sorry, did you mean "all of them?"?
All but one. Which is 99%.

Bait detected.

Gosha

Tomahawk · 2017-07-10 16:35:51

This thread might as well have been titled "Calling all atheists to bash religion".

...So ima join in and crank up the intellect by quoting part of the introduction of Karl Marx's Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right:

▼Kinda long

For Germany, the criticism of religion has been essentially completed, and the criticism of religion is the prerequisite of all criticism.

The profane existence of error is compromised as soon as its heavenly oratio pro aris et focis [“speech for the altars and hearths,” i.e., for God and country] has been refuted. Man, who has found only the reflection of himself in the fantastic reality of heaven, where he sought a superman, will no longer feel disposed to find the mere appearance of himself, the non-man [Unmensch], where he seeks and must seek his true reality.

The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.

It is, therefore, the task of history, once the other-world of truth has vanished, to establish the truth of this world. It is the immediate task of philosophy, which is in the service of history, to unmask self-estrangement in its unholy forms once the holy form of human self-estrangement has been unmasked. Thus, the criticism of Heaven turns into the criticism of Earth, the criticism of religion into the criticism of law, and the criticism of theology into the criticism of politics.

HeyNK · 2017-07-10 17:26:55

hummerz5 wrote:

n1kf, since you're drawing the support for religion, have you read nietzche or I guess anything that contradicts your belief?

...did you just call me n1kf? or did he delete his post? You'd be hard pressed to find someone faithful in this day and age on the internet that hasn't dipped into hardcore athiesm around age 13 like myself. Of course, 13 year olds don't read nitzchehe.

Cool quote by the way, I read it over and over. It's pretty close to true as well, most religions do come from people. I can't argue for false religions though. I don't really know how to respond to it because it just keeps saying "its all in your head, go in the real world". But... i am in the real world. What is the real happiness that comes from the real world? Why can't I achieve it while striving for righteousness? While dying, will I regret not sinning because it would have been pretty fun?

HeyNK, while dying wrote:

I should have.... cheated... on my wife... I can't believe i was tricked into not doing it all this time....

hummerz5 · 2017-07-10 17:40:56

well if we're going to talk deathbed regrets, I'm not sure how one or the other might take precedence. That depends on the person. If they were closely religious, they might die with the idea that "oh, right now I should feel content in my doing good." And by george they very well may do that.

though tbh if you're not on a literal deathbed I imagine your first concern would be "hey, let's not die here." If it isn't, there's something to be said of the sin of suicide... I think

Abelysk · 2017-07-10 18:56:08

hummerz5 wrote:

but aren't there sociological benefits from religion that shouldn't be overlooked? There are psychological health benefits from community offered by churches. Can it be said that we would still strive for morality if we didn't have religion?

Yes religion definitely offers health benefits...

It's hardwiring people's brains so that:

• going to church is addicting and rewarding
• their moral system believes God is a 100% certainty, blinding them from other opinions

This is why religions can't merge together. They're dead set on their beliefs, rooted into their brains after years of practice. It's scary but at the same time fascinating. A moral drug.

Tomahawk · 2017-07-10 19:46:31

Congratulations to Iraqi army forces who finally took back Mosul from Islamic State control.

Now perhaps groups as violent as ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban would still arise in a godless world, but it's hard to tell and seems unlikely. The greatest problem with religion is the conflict it causes between those of different beliefs.

HeyNK, your mention of "false religions" is irrelevant - the majority of religions promote themselves as the "best" or "true" religion. The fact that you were born into yours doesn't make it any more genuine than, say, Buddhism, regardless of the strength of your belief. Also be careful never to imply that righteousness or happiness can only come from religion, as if you'd have no morals if you were atheist.

No, the only way for there to be no conflict over religion is if there is no religion. Enforcing atheism to achieve this would be incredibly hypocritical, but it seems that the global population is slowly heading towards atheism anyway.

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hummerz5 · 2017-07-10 19:53:12

Tomahawk wrote:

The fact that you were born into yours doesn't make it any more genuine than, say, Buddhism, regardless of the strength of your belief.

THANK YOU

but yes, can we say anything for mankind simply being predisposed to warring? I suppose we can't really discuss the nature of man if we're going to try and erase religion. BUT, we still war for resources. Any ideas on how much more war we'd have aside from religion if it were gone? Say, some people might instigate war simply for its own sake than to fulfill some religious goal

edit: let's look at being born into something

What could be happening to contradict the general way religion is passed down? I mean, parent to child seems most common. But, over time we seem to have stronger atheistic presence. Why?

Perhaps children are gaining access to more information sooner that contradicts what the parents believe? Perhaps also there is some decay in society that didn't translate directly into people leaving the church. So, numbers would be up but you'd have weak beliefs compared to the past.

I ask this because one would think that such a strongly-replicating school of thought would be stronger than this. It made it so far until now, so I guess my mind jumps to the age of information

Mieaz · 2017-07-10 19:53:50

Abelysk wrote:

Yes religion definitely offers health benefits...
It's hardwiring people's brains so that:
• going to church is addicting and rewarding
• their moral system believes God is a 100% certainty, blinding them from other opinions
This is why religions can't merge together. They're dead set on their beliefs, rooted into their brains after years of practice. It's scary but at the same time fascinating. A moral drug.

can you say that for all religious principles ?

N1KF · 2017-07-10 20:15:59

People these days treat their religion like a hat they wear. They don't let themselves transform; they just wear the hat.

Many religious people and many non-religious people all the time bicker at each other, and get attached to worldly things. That's because neither of them are transformed into a new person. Money, sex, and fame are all things that many people want but don't get fulfilled from. There are plenty of people trying to force their religion (or lack thereof) on others without actually taking time to consider their own beliefs. Let's take a look at Christianity, for example:

People are more fulfilled by spreading genuine love to others, which I believe is because God built humans for relationships. People are more fulfilled by exploring and having joy with the world they live in, which I believe is because God created a world that brings us peace if we just take time to respect us. People are more fulfilled by accepting the way things happen in life, which I believe is because God's plan is always better than our plans. People are more fulfilled in childhood, which I believe is because children carry that which God loves to see in people—faith, joy, a lack of crippling social anxiety that makes you feel like you're wasting your teenage years, etc.

If you had a society that was based around the teachings of Jesus and didn't stray from that, that society would be a very great one. There would be no poverty, as people would be willing to share with those in need. There would be no immoral higher authorities in media and politics to resist, as people would respect God as their authority. There would be no war or military, as violence is commanded against. Which does mean that the society could crumble really easy if somebody attacked it, but Jesus had to pay that price too...

hummerz5 · 2017-07-10 20:25:16

n1kf that's tough to wrap my head around

if we apply abelysk's approach in the extent that we should be concerned about religion's effect on minds, then could we be concerned on the reliability of religious people saying there is "fulfillment" in these pursuits?

I guess my question is about the relationship. If what is claimed is true, do these parts of human nature actually prove religion? Or does religion actually prove that these pursuits are fulfilling?

I see your list and instantly think of the psychological (natural selection) explanations to your points. But that's neither here nor there

HeyNK · 2017-07-10 21:45:33

Tomahawk wrote:

HeyNK, your mention of "false religions" is irrelevant - the majority of religions promote themselves as the "best" or "true" religion. The fact that you were born into yours doesn't make it any more genuine than, say, Buddhism, regardless of the strength of your belief. Also be careful never to imply that righteousness or happiness can only come from religion, as if you'd have no morals if you were atheist.
No, the only way for there to be no conflict over religion is if there is no religion. Enforcing atheism to achieve this would be incredibly hypocritical, but it seems that the global population is slowly heading towards atheism anyway.

I wasn't born into my religion. I made the descision to convert at 17. check your privelagive! I still haven't even been baptized.

Furthermore, if you want happiness, get your alcoholic beverage of choice and watch some TV. Anybody can achieve basic happiness. I'm after something more. And it is also true that righteousness can be achieved outside of Catholicism, just as shooting yourself in the foot will sometimes result in the gun jamming. Not too often though, but certainly not never.

Let me also revise your post:

No, the only way for there to be no conflict over religion is if there is no islam.

:there i fixed it. But that's irellevant since no one will defend islam on this forum. And don't say that the global population is heading towards athiesm before you look at the statistics... athiests have the lowest birthrate and are only growing in western countries. From now until 2050 they are projected to drop from 16% to 13%. I think, i read this on the internet earlier this morning. Look it up for yourself.
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@N1KF: Wrong, that society would still have people doing bad things in it... but they'd probably repent at least. Utopia isn't going to happen on earth, not even theoretically.
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@Abelysk I'm not blinded from other "opinions", im reading them right now. I'm not surprised either about the health effects of religious thoughts. So how do you explain these findings? what evolutionary benifit do we get from being rewarded for religious thoughts?
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BONUS! Edit reply to hummerz5:

I ask this because one would think that such a strongly-replicating school of thought would be stronger than this. It made it so far until now, so I guess my mind jumps to the age of information

Some religions aren't having any trouble self replicating at all, see islam.But maybe we shouldn't be taking notes from them. But you are correct that Catholicism is greatly declining in the US/Canada. This is because modernists (read: pro gay, pro [trendy social cause]) have gotten into the western church and are not teaching the faith properly. Then, modernists higher up on the ladder won't kick them out, and even higher up, there is no one starting a hunt to weed them out. Anyone seeking the faith will instead be presented with this weak social justice movement instead of objective truth, and consequently leave. This also has the effect of sowing doubt and apathy among the congregation, causing them to leave en masse, which explains the dropping numbers in america. The ratio of converts to dissidents/dying was about 1:8.

N1KF

N1KF · 2017-07-10 22:48:31

HeyNK wrote:

Wrong, that society would still have people doing bad things in it... but they'd probably repent at least. Utopia isn't going to happen on earth, not even theoretically.

Yeah, I do realize that. I tried to avoid stating any absolutes on things that happen on a small scale, such as "no murder" because that would be an exaggeration. That's why I addressed the general function of the society instead.

Ratburntro44 · 2017-07-11 00:10:23

HeyNK wrote:

But that's irellevant since no one will defend islam on this forum.

i'll gladly defend islam if you care to mount any legitimate argument against it

Tomahawk · 2017-07-11 01:42:08

HeyNK wrote:

Anybody can achieve basic happiness. I'm after something more.

Again with this crap - what does that even mean? Happiness is an emotion; you can feel a little of it or a lot of it (or anything in between). What on earth does religion have to do with it? Are you trying to say that your faith allows you to feel greater happiness than others of different or no faith? Is there a certain God-given happiness barred to sinners like me? Listen to yourself, you sound like a Jehovah's Witness - "For only $9.99 a month and the soul of your unborn child, we'll teach you the secret of True Happiness™ through prayer, prayer and more prayer!"

Likewise, your point about righteousness is moronic and borders on insulting. Go up to an atheist, tell him that his morals are inferior to yours because they don't come from a Catholic God, and see what happens.

HeyNK wrote:

Let me also revise your post:
No, the only way for there to be no conflict over religion is if there is no islam.

I named three Islamic terror groups because Islam happens to be the religion currently associated with the most religious violence, at least as portrayed by Western media. 900 years ago it was Christianity, or did you not learn about the Crusades in school? - started by Pope Urban II of the Roman Catholic church in an attempt to reclaim the Holy Land and killing an estimated 1.7 million people along the way.

No popular religion is peaceful.

HeyNK wrote:

From now until 2050 [atheism is] projected to drop from 16% to 13%. I think, i read this on the internet earlier this morning. Look it up for yourself.

Congratulations on not reading the rest of the paragraph. Let me quote some more:

Wikipedia wrote:

Sociologist Phil Zuckerman's global studies on atheism have indicated that global atheism may be in decline due to irreligious countries having the lowest birth rates in the world and religious countries having higher birth rates in general.
By 2050 unaffiliated or non-religious people are expected to account for 27% of North America's total population (up from 17.1% in 2010), and 23% of Europe's total population (up from 18% in 2010) according to Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

But let's not turn this religion-bashing into HeyNK-bashing. Aside from your inability to research a fact on the internet, I'm willing to believe that your opinions regarding the connections between morality, happiness and faith have been taught to you and not deduced from your observations of different peoples. Idk how strict the people around you are when it comes to faith, but have the decency to make up your own mind before trying to attack my morality.

hummerz5 · 2017-07-11 01:58:35

HeyNK wrote:

Some religions aren't having any trouble self replicating at all, see islam.But maybe we shouldn't be taking notes from them. But you are correct that Catholicism is greatly declining in the US/Canada. This is because modernists (read: pro gay, pro [trendy social cause]) have gotten into the western church and are not teaching the faith properly. Then, modernists higher up on the ladder won't kick them out, and even higher up, there is no one starting a hunt to weed them out. Anyone seeking the faith will instead be presented with this weak social justice movement instead of objective truth, and consequently leave. This also has the effect of sowing doubt and apathy among the congregation, causing them to leave en masse, which explains the dropping numbers in america. The ratio of converts to dissidents/dying was about 1:8.

Well that's interesting. Which path would have the least resistance though? Sticking to your guns and saying "being gay is not ok"? or should they go "being gay is kinda not bad but let's not get into that we have good religion here"? If the social trend is away from what the church argues, it seems reasonable to me that emphasizing those points would cause friction. Tbh I've never heard of anyone thinking "this ideology doesn't represent the latest trend. imma dump it" either. Homosexuality is an interesting sin.

"weak social justice movement instead of objective truth" so are you claiming that the opposite of "weak social justice movement" offered by the church would be "objective truth" -- and that's what you expect? I don't want to misconstrue. Therefore, you're claiming that homosexuality being morally wrong is an objective truth?

HeyNK · 2017-07-11 02:16:13

tomohawk (i think)

Your morals are inferior to mine because mine are objective and yours are subjective. What will happen now?

"The crusades were an unprovoked war of aggression against a peaceful muslim world" Please stop spreading this lie.

I'm also not worried about athiesm spreading in the west. The current modernist church needs to be burnt to the ground and raised up from the ashes. I fully expect this to either resurge in years, or be eaten up by whatever other religion pops up. I sure hope it isnt a cult. Also, do not forget that prayer is an expression of love which does in fact bring happiness. For some reason you don't like prayer so you put it in this font. It's also free. No long distance charges. And I learned most of what I know from the internet, which din't cost that much.

hummerz5

Sadly some are taking the path of least resistance, which they shouldn't be doing. The church is supposed to be a refuge from the world, so when the world (social trend) gets in and starts ruining things, people leave. What I didn't post earlier is that a lot of hard truths are just straight up missing, such as "Hell is real and people go there", "The divorced and civilly remarried cannot recieve Holy Communion" and "No, gays cannot 'marry' ". After all, the social trends are prone to being controlled by the diabolical and its adherents. If someone receives authentic truth and says "wtf this is messed up im leaving" then that is on their conscious. But when the teachers are not doing thier jobs so they can get pats on the back, there is a problem.

▼what?

EDIT: oh yeah I forgot, of homosexuality being wrong is an objective truth, hummerz. Its a crime against the natural law.

▼born that way

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▼jokeposting

hummerz5 · 2017-07-11 02:38:45

HeyNK wrote:

After all, the social trends are prone to being controlled by the diabolical and its adherents. If someone receives authentic truth and says "wtf this is messed up im leaving" then that is on their conscious. But when the teachers are not doing thier jobs so they can get pats on the back, there is a problem.

Oh I see. So this is more about not sticking to roots? So aren't there a bunch of things about stoning people or whatnot? I mean I hope you forgive my lazy google searching, but how do we rationalize those weird things Leviticus might mention? Things about wearing clothes of two different fabrics or other tedious crap. Supporting slavery? Do you follow that or expect others to? And what about all this cut and paste stuff?

I get that some things you might deem as more important than others. But can't that be considered a product of the times that you just now reject?

"Authentic truth" I think we discussed the peculiarity of that claim already so I guess we'll let that slide

-- editing in below

HeyNK wrote:

People that listen to temptations to aqquire money / power / whatever, and pushing an agenda into the trends of the times will help them achieve that.

OK, assuming this is true, what do these money-gaining people have to gain by pushing any sort of social agenda? Saying that gay marriage is OK: what good does that do for the rich and powerful group you envision?

If this is a general rule, does that suggest the reverse? If there was ever a religious movement that had power or sway, wouldn't that be fueled by people listening to temptations?

HeyNK wrote:

Well probably not since an overwhelming number of (male) deviants come from an abusive background or some other problem like an emotionally absent father or something. It does not help now that all of this pro gay stuff is out there for confused 12 year olds with new and strange emotions to find, potentially convincing someone of something they're not. But even it was genetic (lol) and we ignore all those problems, congrats!! Yuo just got chosen for a life of celibacy. Its not an easy calling but you can strive to be virtuous with a wife. Very cool. Just dont become a priest, we have enough gays infiltrating the church to touch kids. They cost us millions of dollars.

well imma have to stop you. either my basic course in psychology was wrong, or you're jumping on one of the incorrect beliefs they debunked in their section all about this. So again, science suggests environment. Also, natural law? Are you talking about the whole reproductive thing not working? I mean yes, but if evolution has any relevance, things going extinct are essentially "part of nature" -- so any trait that doesn't benefit survival isn't best but it is natural.

chosen for celibacy

OK, so you might not be willing to abstract this way, and this might be the wrong way to consider the topic, but:
aside from this "natural law" you have, what makes a sexual persuasion "right"? Why should the default be OK but the other a path to condemnation? Or perhaps I'm looking too much into this. After all, we're discussing religion, not the specifics of tenets that may or may not be relevant or entirely rejected

HeyNK · 2017-07-11 03:06:30

Ceremonial law ... by HeyNK

You see... over 2k years ago, there were these people called the jews. Or isrealites. And they lived in a very primitive time. You see there was no hygiene or technology, and everyone lived in a desert. Not even Jesus on Earth yet, so sins had to be manually removed through sacrifice by burning dead lambs and stuff. You can read all about that in leviticus. Back then it was a good idea to avoid shellfish and pork because no one really understood the importance of cooking and cleaning therally. and since God didn't want his chosen people to keep randomly dying of samonella, he commanded them not to eat it. Now of course you can't explain what samonella is to an uneducated sheep herder, so it was just the law not to eat it. Why? Because God said so. Kind of like when you're telling a 4 year old not to play with knives but he doesn't really get why. I don't know why the two fabrics rule ever existed, but it's probably to this same extent. We can do that now EZ since we have t3chnology to help us. But most of all, the ceremonial law does not apply anymore. Why? Because the root word in hebrew meant laws of the nation. and are we the nation Israel anymore? Nope. Is modern day Israel the real Israel? Nope, they just took the name. It stopped existing. So other things that do not apply include: circumcision (which is still a good idea... if you live in a third world tribe without clean water), sacrifice of animals (since Jesus fulfilled that already), dietary restrictions on meat, etc.

So obviously when i mean stick to the roots i mean church teaching. Fun fact: the Church existed before the Bible was compiled.

Today's mood: Winking

DUDE ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU EDITIED YOUR POST NOW I HAVE TO EDIT MINE

1. Why do people keep pushing for gay acceptance? Someone's doing it. Idk who. Obviously behind the scenes its the devil pulling the strings but idk who's working for him or what he's promising them. And i cant speak for other religions but I do know a lot of cults that started around 1 person ended up having that person be a bit of a deviant themself... Read: Joseph smith of mormonism, polygamist, Mohammed of islam, pedophile.

2. Well grats you stopped me. But where? i dont know.

3. Forum's not a good place for this. or is it? You're the mod. Anyways dont click this link if you're a child. Its a huge wall of text, but a lot of it goes into deep specifics. tl;dr just read section 2.

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