art & beauty

Bobithan · 2016-09-27 21:35:48

what is beauty?
what makes something beautiful?
is there such a thing as objective beauty?
what is art? what is not art?
is art always beautiful?

Sensei1

shadowda · 2016-09-27 22:06:01

Bobithan wrote:

what makes something beautiful?
is there such a thing as objective beauty?

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. so no, objectively not.

Bobithan wrote:

what is art? what is not art?

anything can be art. thus nothing is definitely not art.

Bobithan wrote:

is art always beautiful?

no. it does not have to be.

Luka504

Pingohits · 2016-09-27 23:21:30

my digital media teacher puts it in a simple, elegant statement:

art is something that illicits an emotional response

skullz17

Zoey2070 · 2016-09-27 23:43:32

beauty comes in many forms; something that is attractive/aesthetically pleasing is not always beautiful. there's a beauty in tragedy, a beauty in ugliness, a beauty in pain etc.

objective beauty doesn't really exist because objectivity as a whole doesn't exist. someone will always be contrary.

i think what makes art is intent. /r/ooer is, in a way, art, because it was meant to be. the forums (like, layout and color) are not [meant to be] art; there wasn't an intent. it wasn't thoughtfully crafted for the intent of "beauty" or art.

but there is ALSO art that wasn't MEANT to be art i suppose.

so I guess everything is varying shades of art.

and yes, art is always beautiful... unless it was supposed to invoke the exact opposite of beauty, but even that in and of itself is beauty.

Bobithan · 2016-09-27 23:50:55

shadowda wrote:

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. so no, objectively not.

what is beauty, though?

i guess ill add that question to the op since that kinda drives what the other answers are going to be for a person

N1KF · 2016-09-27 23:56:11

Zoey2070 wrote:

but there is ALSO art that wasn't MEANT to be art i suppose.

Why is it art, though? Does the creator simply have a definition of art you disagree with, or does that require no intent of making art? Also, is automatically generated content "art"?

Zoey2070 · 2016-09-28 00:00:03

N1KF wrote:

Zoey2070 wrote:
but there is ALSO art that wasn't MEANT to be art i suppose.
Why is it art, though? Does the creator simply have a definition of art you disagree with, or does that require no intent of making art? Also, is automatically generated content "art"?

if the creator doesn't intend it to be art, it can still be art because of how others view it; kinda like "the curtains are blue because the character is depressed" when the author says "no, they're just blue". people make their own meaning. and yes, automatically generated content can be art, because of the work in the back end of it.

XxAtillaxX · 2016-09-28 01:53:48

In essence, you would have to have tangible conjecture for relativism, which doesn't exist currently.

If you were to ask however, the physical universe is seemingly dependant upon statistical phenomena as evident with quantum physics, and physical constants cannot be derived by, nor inherit any non-relativistic value.
As of now, it remains philosophy because whilst the thought process is determined by physical reality, it cannot derive truly accurate answers about reality, as we cannot fully understand the universe, only patterns within it.

If you ask what art is, then you're asking an abstract question which does not inherit any value from observed physical reality.
You may as well ask what the colour yellow tastes like... which obviously tastes like lemonade... or maybe urine...... probably urine.

Abelysk · 2016-09-28 02:00:00

All art is beautiful in the eye of the beholder. Ninja'd.

Bobithan · 2016-09-28 02:56:26

XxAtillaxX wrote:

If you ask what art is, then you're asking an abstract question which does not inherit any value from observed physical reality

If you are some sort of god who only sees the universe for what it literally just is, maybe this is a point that could be made, but we're human, and we have a biased reality. Any sort of question that is inherently subjective is "an abstract question which does not inherit any value from observed physical reality", as it's based on our individual abstract views of the world. One of those views is our conceptualization of beauty. We can't dismiss every subjective conjecture on the basis that it is arbitrary in regards to universal standards of math and physics.

XxAtillaxX · 2016-09-28 03:11:36

Well, the only thing that I've pointed out that it has no objective basis.

So, essentially your questions could be met with a statistical study of everyone on Earth and/or simulating the human brain to the likes of the Socratic method, but you wouldn't truly end up with a constant physical measurement, just an answer from the limits of our human brain. Perhaps an alien species would disagree entirely with our conclusions, then you'd be faced with the same problem of distinguishing what is and isn't x, y or z.

Sensei1 · 2016-09-28 08:43:28

I see art as something created by someone.
Art doesn't have to be beautiful at all, but thats often what people are going for when creating something.

Being a "good" creation isn't the same as being a beautiful creation. Beauty is like a certain type of emotion, we feel it while looking at/listening to/watching something.
There's not really an objective beauty, but we learn to call similar things beautiful because we live together in the same society. Everyone can still feel different emotions from the same art pieces, and not all people call the same emotions "beauty".

Or something like that!

Bimps · 2016-09-28 20:43:50

Bobithan wrote:

what is beauty?
what makes something beautiful?
is there such a thing as objective beauty?
what is art? what is not art?
is art always beautiful?

towwl we've been over this in irc why are you asking it here

shadowda · 2016-09-28 21:58:54

Bobithan wrote:

shadowda wrote:
beauty is in the eye of the beholder. so no, objectively not.
what is beauty, though?

"beauty is in the eye of the beholder". that is to say the definition of beauty is what every someone thinks it is.
i could find something beautiful that you may not.
simply put, beauty is something that pleases a person.

but if you want a better definition

google wrote:

a combination of qualities, such as shape, color, or form, that pleases the aesthetic senses, especially the sight.
"I was struck by her beauty"
a combination of qualities that pleases the intellect or moral sense.
synonyms: attractiveness, prettiness, good looks, comeliness, allure; More
antonyms: ugliness
2.
a pleasing thing or person, in particular.
a beautiful woman.
synonyms: beautiful woman, belle, vision, Venus, goddess, beauty queen, picture; More
antonyms: hag
an excellent specimen or example of something.
"the fish was a beauty, around 14 pounds"
the pleasing or attractive features of something.
"the beauties of the Pennsylvania mountains"
the best feature or advantage of something.
"the beauty of keeping cats is that they don't tie you down"
synonyms: advantage, attraction, strength, benefit, boon, blessing, good thing, strong point, virtue, merit, selling point
"the beauty of this plan"

Calyfornia · 2016-09-28 22:39:52

Pingohits wrote:

art is something that illicits an emotional response

=> isis execution videos are now art

XxAtillaxX · 2016-09-29 00:05:09

Calyfornia wrote:

Pingohits wrote:
art is something that illicits an emotional response
=> isis execution videos are now art

beauty is in the eye of the holder, though sand doesn't make for a very good canvas.

shadowda · 2016-09-29 01:43:27

XxAtillaxX wrote:

Calyfornia wrote:
Pingohits wrote:
art is something that illicits an emotional response
=> isis execution videos are now art
beauty is in the eye of the holder, though sand doesn't make for a very good canvas.

sand art

Zoey2070, Pingohits

skullz17 · 2016-09-29 22:19:09

Calyfornia wrote:

Pingohits wrote:
art is something that illicits an emotional response
=> isis execution videos are now art

Well I think technically since photographs are considered art, film can be as well.

Bobithan · 2016-09-30 01:12:51

Calyfornia wrote:

Pingohits wrote:
art is something that illicits an emotional response
=> isis execution videos are now art

record it on VCR, then play it on loop on a CRT monitor but paint over the section where the machete makes contact with the neck

now it is a profound work of art; a deep criticism of the media and their portrayal of the war on terror

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