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Benje00

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

Thanks for the template, Rava.

My Ratings :

▼Spring Cleaning

Team Name: Oranj fan club
Members: BGIC, Morganizer
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PW6wp7dJgScEI

Comments:
Concept was pretty neat.  The minis matched with the cleaning actions and were basic-easy.  In game art wasn't bad.  Spring cleaning doesn't really fit the theme in my opinion. I didn't think this should have won though.  My vote was outweighed by others' decisions.

Rating:
d = 6
g = 5
a = 4
t = 3

▼Faithful Worker

Team name: the ultimate ee
Members: ZeroDaniel, ignacia7886, wowgitchiki, genesis00,nekogirl14
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWV5QLusW-b0I

Comments:
Very cool concept again.  You start off as a bee that is too weak to fly and you have to collect pollen in order to gain strength.  Unfortunately, the gameplay was very ragey will fallback and the back and forth path.  I rated theme very high because of the bunnies, bees, flowers, trees; I also rated art highly.  Even though the concept was nice, I didn't think this deserved 3rd, but the other judges outweighed my score.  Loved the concept, hated the execution.

Rating:
d = 5
g = 3
a = 9
t = 8

▼Fouria Mianov

Team Name: Team Slovenia
Members: Srna, Soulrunner, Napakeun, Goshanoob
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWtLkkq8uJbkI

Comments:
Overall nice level with fluid minis that were nice and easy.  Art was nice, but the lower parts of the levels could've been improved art-wise.  Theme was spring, but not sure why there's a pirate ship.

Rating:
d = 9
g = 7
a = 7
t = 7

▼Hidden text

Team Name: Kawaii Demons
Members: Emma333, GintaX123, TygrCZ, ShaXXX
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWNev3YKwQcEI

Comments:

Gameplay was kind of boring in my opinion, art was a step above the rest, but still had areas where they could've improved.  Ingame art in the tree was super eyerapey, and you guys could've done more minis in the clouds that just up arrows to the next one.

Rating:
d = 6
g = 3
a = 5
t = 7

▼Relics: Era of War

Team Name: Elite Artists
Members: Tigerclaw, Wizard2002
World Link: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWz8I9_mQRcEI

Comments:
Pretty ingame art as well as minimap art.  Very cool concept with the double jumping to change seasons and get past obstacles a non-typical way.  Story was to restore spring by collecting relics, which seemed to be a very repeated, yet creative theme.

Rating:
d = 7
g = 5
a = 8
t = 9

▼Spring Thing

Team Name: Prepare to be smitten
Members: smittyw, sm1ttyw, smithyw, swittym, moonrabbit
World ID: PW6cHyrN_Vb0I

Comments:
Really loved the minis in this one they were simplistic looking, yet complex completion-wise.  Art was super nice and I loved the tiny unicorns.  Theme was a bit too generic to be deeply spring, but it worked.  And for people saying "i didnt evn realis i had dble jump!1!!!1!!": there's literally a sign at spawn that reads, "YOU HAVE DOUBLE JUMP FOR A REASON PEOPLE"
Rating:
d = 7
g = 9
a = 9
t = 7

▼A Very Dank Spring

Team name: Mirin Squad
Members: Master1, 1nsanity, Oranj, Ninja
World ID: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWjYCIFY7Kb0I

Comments:
Nice map with kinda the "easter egg hunt" theme going on.  Most of the minis were rollercoasters, but they were pretty fun to play.  Sometimes I chose the wrong way to go and was forced to play through 5 of the same minis, which is why the difficulty is not a 10.  Art was very nice, one of the best in all the contest, could've been a bit more spring themed in my opinion, but good enough for me.

Rating:
d = 7
g = 9
a = 8
t = 7

▼Evolution Revolution

Team Name: iMegaddirbsmic
Members: Kirby, Addi, iPwner, Megalamb, Boh
World ID: PWcVwXDmnDb0I

Comments:
Again, another cool concept.  Different choices in your character leads to different abilities which leads to different paths/minis to gain the XP (coins) needed to "level up".  Minis were kind of like platformers in my opinion, which were still fun, but a bit basic.  Art could have been better I felt, and the theme sorta felt just a bit more forestry than spring.

Rating:
d = 8
g = 6
a = 6
t = 7

▼Frolic

Team Name: Kiraninja, TOOP, Benje00, Ravatroll
Members: Muffin, Bobyy, Thwinkt, Stalkbot
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PW26XYwxQTcEI

Comments:
Again, another creative concept which is why this level placed in the first place (not first place).  I felt like some of the minis were a bit repetitive sometimes (hold right to win, jump once or twice), which is why I subtracted 3 points from gameplay, even though I get it's a "frolicking" type gameplay.  Art could have been greatly improved, it wouldn't have been that hard to combine the fun gameplay with nicer art.  Frolicking is somewhat spring themed, but other than that and the sunflower and the cherry blossom tree, it wasn't very much spring.

Rating:
d = 8
g = 7
a = 4
t = 6

▼Spring Festival

Team Name: Explorers
Members: AK712
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PW7LLU0xDCb0I

Comments:
I thought it was an OK world.  Dialogue worlds aren't my favorite type of maps, but I played it with an open mind.  With this level there was backtracking and a bit of wandering to find out what to do next, which is expected of dialogue worlds.  Sometimes you had to line up to the 16px just to get into the "chat", which was a bit annoying.  I would've placed this in honorable mentions, but Toop and Rava really enjoyed it.

Rating:
d = 6
g = 4
a = 3
t = 5

▼Spring Rose

Team Sensei's Supercute Sakura Sensation
Members: Sensei1
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWE8LaNkYRcEI

Comments:
The ingame art was so, so good.  It was fun, and had really neat concepts like the underwater breathing system, which used curse as a timer.  Like I said above, I don't really like dialogue worlds, but this one kept things moving and focused more on the minis and moving along.  Also, it was a non-linear dialogue world, which was unique. 

Rating:
d = 8
g = 7
a = 8
t = 7

▼Midnight Meadows

Team Name: GV
Team Members: Anch159, CommanderKitten and Unau
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PW5m6ANVwRcEI

Comments:
Very, very fun gameplay which fit nicely in and around the art.  The concept was to restore spring by collecting 12 fireflies (coins), which I thought was very spring themed.  Gameplay was super fluid and was basic/easy.

Rating:
d = 9
g = 9
a = 9
t = 9

▼Springopolis

Team Name: duck
Members: awzome
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWBIi0ZYXFb0I

Comments:
I loved the gameplay, it was pretty fun.  Sometimes you didn't know where to go and one time I played through a couple minis only to find out that I needed the "7" switch, so I had to fallback and replay those minis.  Ingame art was pretty nice, but on the minimap it didn't really match the niceness of ingame.  It was a nice clean level, which I probably would have placed 2nd.
Rating:
d = 7
g = 9
a = 6
t = 5

▼Pina and the Rose

Team Name: The Megatronz
Members: Cakeje, Chiscorey, Ketoleperouch, Phinarose, Prodigy5996.
World: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PW4ua-CWcRcEI

Comments:
Very smooth art ingame and on minimap.  The story involved a girl named Phina who searched for this rose that could cure any disease.  Touching this rose turns Phina to be combined with the rose making them "Phinarose".  The rose kind of exploded and gave life to every plant and every person, especially Phina's sick mother.  That is the epitome of spring, new life and restoration and growth.  I thought this level hit that perfectly which is why I gave it a 10 on theme.  Some "dialogue" levels, as I call them, can cause you to search for several minutes just to find the next piece to the puzzle.  This one gave hints and was very clear where you needed to go next.   There was some backtracking, which is why I rated it 2 points down on difficulty, and the gameplay type of the "dialogue" isn't my favorite which is why I gave it 7 for gameplay.
Rating:
d = 8
g = 7
a = 10
t = 10

▼NSFW: Spring Relics

Team Name: Not Safe For Work
Members: DClevels, KingoftheOzone, Badoosh,Stagecrew
World ID: http://everybodyedits.com/games/PWPy8n38CZbUI

Comments:
Nice concept with bringing the "relics of earth" to the temple to kind of restore the spring season.  Minis were kind of rollercoaster, but still fun, and weren't hard like other people (and judges) were saying.  I didn't think it was that spring themed on the minimap, even though I get that the level's story required all four of the elements to be brought together at the temple.

Rating:
d = 8
g = 9
a = 9
t = 7

My top levels - before choosing honorable mentions:

1. GV -- 56
2. Megatronz -- 54
3. NSFW -- 51     
3. Prepare to be smitten -- 51
5.  Mirin Squad -- 49
6. Sensei -- 45
7. duck  -- 42   
8. Imegaadibrns -- 41          
9. ultimate ee -- 38
10. The DINGs -- 37
11. Kiraninja, TOOP, Benje00, Ravatroll -- 36
12. Kingly Jesters -- 35
12. Music Man -- 35
14. ;-; -- 33
15. Skullz17 -- 31

Note: These scores are purely based on my initial score after my first opinion right after playing the level. The judges and I then gave levels second thoughts and even played through certain levels again.  Just because these levels are in my "Top 15" doesn't mean I think they should've placed.

My rating formula :

(Difficulty x 1 + Gameplay x 2 + Art x 2 + Theme x 1) = Score

Any questions ?

Luka504

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Joined: 2015-02-19

Posts: 2,934

Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

Why I am Mad: I didn't win. I know I didn't enter or even make a world, but I wanted to win.

Thats not the issue. The problem is how the judges cant even follow their on gosh darn rules.
NSFV whatever crew won most likely just beacuse they are NSFV crew. Difficulty!? Lol who cares the skrubs can get good. NSFV could have made a summer world and they would've won.
Spring cleaning is original, sure, but its not spring. Only a tiny bit near the end.
Faithful worker is very tedious to play.
Fouria Minaov is just hold left then hold right minigames.
Relics: Era of War is just over-decorated, like dang, my eyes hurt.
Spring Thing is NOT basic easy. I and a few other people didnt even realise we had x2 jump. It has the same concept as water levels, which is a medium world let me remind you.
Frolic won beacuse? You keep running for like 50 times through the same 6 tracks over and over again. And that art though. Looks like some 12 year old made it.
Spring Festival is also confusing to play, i wouldnt even have known where to go if it wasnt for random jumping.

Pretty much half of the submitted worlds dont even deserve to win, while 5 of them dont even meet the criteria to win. (Are too hard, not springy etc.)
At this point im convinced the judges procrastinated and just chose whatever they first saw.

Also how is this world second place, but my world

isnt even an honorable mention?
Surely if you acceped 1nsanitys world Easter is an acceptale theme!?
Honestly the judges probably dont even care. ,,We gave the gems and prizes to people who didnt even try/deserve to win, but we let them win beacuse the minimap is kinda nice, and were done without even listening to the community,,

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Raphe9000

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

question: pls explain in detail why my world didnt place

Okay. I will be up-front and honest to you. Don't get mad at me or say I'm disrespecting you. You don't see why, so I must tell you.

You didn't place because

▼Hidden text

your world sucks

at least im mentally capable of making one

I could if I wanted to. I'm just lazy. At least I didn't make something atrocious then claim it should have won. Honorably Losing is better than Butthurtedly Winning

Onjit

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Joined: 2015-02-15

Posts: 9,709

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

question: pls explain in detail why my world didnt place

Okay. I will be up-front and honest to you. Don't get mad at me or say I'm disrespecting you. You don't see why, so I must tell you.

You didn't place because

▼Hidden text

your world sucks

at least im mentally capable of making one

I could if I wanted to. I'm just lazy. At least I didn't make something atrocious then claim it should have won. Honorably Losing is better than Butthurtedly Winning

GOTEM
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Luka504

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Joined: 2015-02-19

Posts: 2,934

Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

I think this is pretty solid proof the judges are awful.

-You are not allowed to use orange switches/doors/gates in your contest maps.

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mrjawapa

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From: Ohio, USA

Joined: 2015-02-15

Posts: 5,840

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

I'm assuming it didn't play an important role in the world.

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Schlog

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Joined: 2015-07-21

Posts: 1,957

Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

I'm assuming it didn't play an important role in the world.

He still used them in his contest map.

mrjawapa

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

I'm assuming it didn't play an important role in the world.

He still used them in his contest map.

I suppose. Rules are rules.

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Lictor666

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

▼Enraged dogs are dangerous for the community, you should wear that Luka504

Onjit

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

I'm assuming it didn't play an important role in the world.

He still used them in his contest map.

I suppose. Rules are rules.

Exactly. If lictor gets disqualified for breaking a rule, (even though it was clearly a joke), then any level that used orange switches or the fairytale pack should be disqualified also (even though it probably didn't impact much).

If the rules are not enforced, then the rules are meaningless, and there is no reason for anyone to follow the rules in the future.

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Goldy301

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From: EE

Joined: 2016-04-11

Posts: 121

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

If the spring worlds aren't Basic-Easy so maybe the devs could change it to Medium or something.

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Sensei1

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Joined: 2015-02-16

Posts: 1,112

Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

The rule saying orange switches isn't allowed was added later on. I think thats something that makes the rules a lot more meaningless than someone breaking them by accident. The whole lictor thing was stupid imo, and we shouldn't start something like that again just because someone didn't notice the rules added after the contest had started.

Weirdoverse

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Joined: 2015-02-20

Posts: 1,044

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

Uh. i have been working on my world for 5 freaking hours! like almost 45 minutes everyday!
not even honorable?
Well. I deserve atleast 10 gems. for making me sad.

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Jorc

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From: Petoria

Joined: 2016-03-20

Posts: 1,351

Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

Wtf. Just wtf. This is worst contest i have seen. And of course it's my first contest. I don't agree this list. Spring cleaning is like house campaign, but on the end is spring or easter i dont know, but i liked it and i disagree to 3rd.     Frolic - Wtf. That art is horrible. And why winter? Autumn? It's like half spring and half winter.   Spring Rose - I'm tired of that talking and blah blah king bruce and blah blah. But good story,good mini. I don't know how to say it, but art is normal.    Springopolis -  It's like jungle. And forest. Maybe it's bit spring. So i don't like that world. I know my world is Good art,bad story (i will make better),normal mini. My world should go to Honorable mention or 3rd.

Jedpogi

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Posts: 524

Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

What if even they re-judge the contest and you guys still don't win it ?
Complain again

Btw what are the mistakes that i did? so i can learn from them .

http://i.imgur.com/WThAPuV.png?1

i saw that woots and potions thing in there

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Yandax

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

This contest was the most biased thing that EE has ever met... Most of the winning entries don't meet the requirements, either by being too hard for a basic-easy level, or simply because it has nothing to do with spring.

I can personally tell my team hasn't even made it to an honorable mention because of Kiraninja and Ravatroll's hatred towards Zoey.

Just like Dazz said, this game continues to establish its role as a network of friends of friends of friends. Shame on you...

Look, guys/gals! Imagine for just a second, that the judges weren't biased and they picked the ones they thought were best. Now keep imagining that for the rest of your life 'cause I think its true.

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Anak

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

This contest was the most biased thing that EE has ever met... Most of the winning entries don't meet the requirements, either by being too hard for a basic-easy level, or simply because it has nothing to do with spring.

I can personally tell my team hasn't even made it to an honorable mention because of Kiraninja and Ravatroll's hatred towards Zoey.

Just like Dazz said, this game continues to establish its role as a network of friends of friends of friends. Shame on you...

Look, guys/gals! Imagine for just a second, that the judges weren't biased and they picked the ones they thought were best. Now keep imagining that for the rest of your life 'cause I think its true.

It's a nice sentiment but it's not true, sorry.

Pyromaniac

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

This contest was the most biased thing that EE has ever met..

Said everyone after every contest ever.

That being said-

#justice4cindy

Yandax

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

This contest was the most biased thing that EE has ever met... Most of the winning entries don't meet the requirements, either by being too hard for a basic-easy level, or simply because it has nothing to do with spring.

I can personally tell my team hasn't even made it to an honorable mention because of Kiraninja and Ravatroll's hatred towards Zoey.

Just like Dazz said, this game continues to establish its role as a network of friends of friends of friends. Shame on you...

Look, guys/gals! Imagine for just a second, that the judges weren't biased and they picked the ones they thought were best. Now keep imagining that for the rest of your life 'cause I think its true.

It's a nice sentiment but it's not true, sorry.

If that's what you wanna believe, go for it. Look, the judges could have been biased, but the fact that you guys are complaining is just so childish.

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Anak

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

If that's what you wanna believe, go for it. Look, the judges could have been biased, but the fact that you guys are complaining is just so childish.

Some people are being immature about this I would agree, but there are some legit issues being brought up. The way the judges handled this contest is questionable.

Insanity

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

"I didn't win so the judges must be biased"

"There's no way that 15 other teams out of a total of 150 could've made a level better than me!!11"

Idk why it's hard for people to accept that they didn't win because other people did better.

Some people are being immature about this I would agree, but there are some legit issues being brought up. The way the judges handled this contest is questionable.

Can you elaborate?

I can personally tell my team hasn't even made it to an honorable mention because of Kiraninja and Ravatroll's hatred towards Zoey.

lol

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Raphe9000

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

"I didn't win so the judges must be biased"

"There's no way that 15 other teams out of a total of 150 could've made a level better than me!!11"

Idk why it's hard for people to accept that they didn't win because other people did better.

Some people are being immature about this I would agree, but there are some legit issues being brought up. The way the judges handled this contest is questionable.

Can you elaborate?

I can personally tell my team hasn't even made it to an honorable mention because of Kiraninja and Ravatroll's hatred towards Zoey.

lol

Thank you. Maybe some people need a dose common sense.

Creature

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

Because the judges should really care for the (eeartist'd) art rather than the gameplay.

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Anak

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

Some people are being immature about this I would agree, but there are some legit issues being brought up. The way the judges handled this contest is questionable.

Can you elaborate?

The whole Lictor incident, some of the comments from judges in various worlds, (whether they're quite offensive to world owners, comments on ratings/creativity/etc.) the kind of controversy on how worlds were judged
Not handled in the best way imo

Pingohits

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Re: Official Contest Results Complaining Topic

question: pls explain in detail why my world didnt place

Okay. I will be up-front and honest to you. Don't get mad at me or say I'm disrespecting you. You don't see why, so I must tell you.

You didn't place because

▼Hidden text

your world sucks

at least im mentally capable of making one

I could if I wanted to. I'm just lazy. At least I didn't make something atrocious then claim it should have won. Honorably Losing is better than Butthurtedly Winning

that doesnt even make sense why would someone be butthurt about winning
+im simply asking for the judges to tell me what they thought of my world since they never reviewed it

check urself before you wreck urself

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