Mafia 7 game thread:Matrix 6 (Mafia wins!!!)

TaskManager · 2016-04-16 13:26:56

creature, i doubt that if one of them is scum then the other one is as well

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-04-16 13:52:49

Luka504 will be replacing Bobithan

Calicara · 2016-04-16 13:53:48

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

Luka504 will be replacing Bobithan

Welp... now we know he's maf for sure. Hopefully Onjit won't bus him this time.

Luka504 · 2016-04-16 13:57:05

Lol hi i exist.
Im gonna have to reread the whole topic again to give my thoughtts.

Welp... now we know he's maf for sure. Hopefully Onjit won't bus him this time.

I made a dumb mistake in game 6.
Sue me.

Luka504 · 2016-04-16 14:22:39

Day 1:
Everyone seemed to jump on the Alphajon bandwagon.
I couldnt find anything remotely suspicious. Except Onjit who decided to nolynch.
Not sure if he is a town that doesnt believe Alpha is mafia.
Or some scum that tries to look innocent.
Day 2:
Yay we lost the tracker. #NiceclaimingthereAlpha
Creature is again randomly pointing the finger. Though he did it previous game and was innocent so im confused here.
Calicara demonstrates a nice case of OMGUS (Voting for someone beacuse they voted for you) which can be a mafia trying to defend themselves? Who knows really.
Onjit? Except for the nolynch thing in day 1 why is he suspected?
Maxi and Smitty seem pretty town neutral-ish. I guess?
Processor and Kaslai are sorta quiet. #busy
Luka504/Bobithan seems very innocent i dont think we should lynch them. #lol

Creature vs. Calicara: I can only think of the following scenarios:
They are both innocent but think the other person is mafia.
Creature is scum trying to lynch Calicara so the town would lose, with an excuse of being aggresive.
Calicara is mafia who is trying to defend herself.
They are both mafia arguing with each other to seem innocent? (I highly doubt this is the scenario)

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-04-16 14:49:24

Vote count:

Luka504:Calicara

Onjit:Creature

4 votes needed for majority.

Calicara · 2016-04-16 14:51:31

Luka504 wrote:

Yay we lost the tracker.

WELP! THERE YA GO FOLKS! GOT' EM!

Creature · 2016-04-16 15:12:15

!vote Luka504

TaskManager · 2016-04-16 15:47:30

is this like his lynch in game 6
-_-

!vote luka504

TaskManager · 2016-04-16 15:48:25

actually wait
this makes the thing L-1...
!unvote
we still have 2 days

Calicara · 2016-04-16 15:55:49

I don't want to sound like the devils advocate, but this chat isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I think we should lynch and call it a day.

Also I just want to say at this point bussing a Mafia, if I was Mafia, would be an awful awful strategy. With no town investigative the Mafia has a pretty good chance of winning by standing under the radar. Just saying. There's no reason to fight for town roles yet.

SmittyW · 2016-04-16 15:56:58

This is very annoying. Mafia can easily win either by voting or no lynching.

I was researching other Matrix6 games and it appears that replacements occur more than normal games (almost 50% replaced on average!). Why do you think Anak and Bobithan would leave? I doubt it's because they are "busy" because this game if very slow and doesn't require much attention (come on, they are on the forums all the time). The more likely reason is because they are bored (I agree this setup sucks). Anak strikes me as the kind of person who prefers to be mafia, so it's possible that he left because townies are dull. I'm not so sure about Bobithan but we can assume the same. Therefore I believe Creature and Luka to be leaning towards townie. I know I'm metagaming but there isn't a lot to judge and Creature/Luka haven't done anything to set my radar off.

Luka is more relaxed this game but of course he offered the same copy/paste answer as everyone else.

Calicara · 2016-04-16 16:33:45

I have to agree with Smitty...

I mean I know it's just dumb luck that Mafia killed the investigative n1, but without Kaslai the town has no way to confirm or deny who is Mafia, except with intuition and suspicion alone.

And I know Rhazz is all pro citizens, but citizens can only do so much without someone to guide them. We can keep guessing who might be Mafia, buT all were really doing is taking a stab in the dark. And so because of this is stints discussion. Because God forbid a citizen starts making accusations without proof, or they must be mafia!

Just like, I know saying end the day makes me look bad but honestly I'm bored and there's nothing to go on. So what should I say? I know this game was meant as experiment because town was OP in the Multiball game, but now I think we don't have enough.

Creature · 2016-04-16 16:40:29

SmittyW.
Then who is scum?

Creature · 2016-04-16 16:41:05

maxi123 wrote:

actually wait
this makes the thing L-1...
!unvote
we still have 2 days

Someone quickhammering is the best thing I want right now. We'd have a likely confirmed scum to lynch tomorrow.

Creature · 2016-04-16 16:44:36

We have 2 days left. However, I don't suggest waiting until deadline is almost over to rush a lynch.

I am currently super down to Onjit's lynch, Luka504 being my second pick.

SmittyW · 2016-04-16 16:51:33

Going back on the AlphaJon debacle, I think this was very pertinent info:

AlphaJon wrote:

Anak wrote:
I'm curious as to what would have happened if there was a bulletproof. I don't envision that would have ended well for you, AlphaJon.
I actually believe this setup to have good enough players to understand that I wouldn't blindy claim a role just so I become "towny". The only non-counterable claim would have been Tracker, and that's only if there is one Consort, since a 2-goon setup basically spans the whole grid except consort.
There's no way I would have done the same in a mafia6-like player setup.
There are major flaws with the mafia point of view, also.
- This is risking one mafia for one less immediate target.
- The mafia cannot know in any way which roles may be ot not be there, except tracker if there is a consort.
- I doubt the 2 mafias would agree to such a plan (they have daychat).
- In case of a sheriff being there, it would almost force him to check the guy who claimed -> gg wp one less mafia
- Even after all that, keeping the claim is way less risky than reverting it, because there are 3 setups where this makes sense for everyone (row 1 included because the only PR is column-crossed with bulletproof)

People were hounding AlphaJon. Everyone respected him and thought he was a top tier Mafia player, so I find it odd that they all believed his claim was a huge mistake. He specifically requested only BP to counterclaim so it's not like he was putting any real PR in danger and it should be blatantly obvious why this outweighs a mafia decision. It seems like AlphaJon's main flaw was his math and assuming that if nobody counterclaimed games A & 3 were eliminated, which is obviously no longer true.

You know who the ringleader of this accusation was? PROCESSOR. Yuh huh, that's right.

1. Processor believes AlphaJon claimed BP for towncred and safety. This would be the safest option for scum, except that AlphaJon unclaimed WAY before, so that doesn't make sense...
2. Processor thinks AlphaJon unclaimed because I hinted that I was a PR, but again that was even before AlphaJon claimed AND unclaimed.
3. Processor thinks AlphaJon was scheming to have other PRs claim, but AlphaJon only wanted BP to claim and sacrificing one mafia for one potential PR doesn't seem like a big payoff.

HOWEVER, Processor isn't the only guilty one and because AlphaJon resorted to scare tactics afterwards, it's hard to say if Processor is scum. It just seems to me that Processor was blindsided and thought AlphaJon's claim only benefited mafia, NOT town. But Processor forgot that this game is about establishing TRUST and finding SCUM so he didn't realize that AlphaJon wasn't trying to draw attention to HIMSELF but to get the reaction of OTHERS.

TaskManager · 2016-04-16 17:16:43

Creature wrote:

I don't suggest waiting until deadline is almost over to rush a lynch.

?? can you reword the "almost over" part i dont get it lol

Calicara wrote:

Just like, I know saying end the day makes me look bad but honestly I'm bored and there's nothing to go on.

i think youre somewhat right here, the topic was pretty dead earlier today

Creature wrote:

Someone quickhammering is the best thing I want right now. We'd have a likely confirmed scum to lynch tomorrow.

do you think anyone will want to quickhammer after that lol

TaskManager · 2016-04-16 17:20:16

Creature wrote:

maxi123 wrote:
actually wait
this makes the thing L-1...
!unvote
we still have 2 days
Someone quickhammering is the best thing I want right now. We'd have a likely confirmed scum to lynch tomorrow.

actually wait
youre saying that whoever quickhammers is most likely scum
but werent you also saying that luka is scum
???

Creature · 2016-04-16 17:21:02

maxi123 wrote:

Creature wrote:
I don't suggest waiting until deadline is almost over to rush a lynch.
?? can you reword the "almost over" part i dont get it lol

"Let's wait until there's 1-2 hours left to hit deadline to start a wagon on someone"
2 hours before deadline...
"Who are we going to lynch?"
"What about this guy?"
3 votes.
"Wtf? I didn't get any accusation!"
Nobody votes.
Deadline hits.

Creature wrote:
Someone quickhammering is the best thing I want right now. We'd have a likely confirmed scum to lynch tomorrow.
do you think anyone will want to quickhammer after that lol

Pretty sure scum was already aware of this. I was saying there's no harm putting someone at L-1, not if town won't lose if they mislynch.

TaskManager · 2016-04-16 17:27:49

eh whatever
!vote Luka504

im curious to see whether someone will pull the lever
L-1

SmittyW · 2016-04-16 17:32:35

DON'T

Give Luka time to react

SmittyW · 2016-04-16 17:33:37

Okay I don't mean "Don't give luka time to react"

Please don't drop the hammer yet

Creature · 2016-04-16 17:36:07

maxi123 wrote:

eh whatever
!vote Luka504
im curious to see whether someone will pull the lever
L-1

Ironic, you're the kind of player that'd fall to this bait.

Creature · 2016-04-16 17:37:28

tbh I'd rather lynch Onjit than Luka504. At least there's a way to read Luka504.

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