Mafia | Game 5 - Mafia/Witch Victory: The New Law

Calicara · 2016-02-29 18:17:32

Now that I'm on the computer (not mobile), here's my reads so far.

My top pick for scum is Rhazz. He started out strong, but now I'm not so sure. He formed a mob to "policy lynch" Unau, who turned out to be a citizen. Granted Unau was spamming, the way Rhazz took charge to eagerly kill him worries me. So we wake up the next day and the first thing he does is vote Ninja. A little quick to the draw, but not without reason. But now out of the blue he votes AlphaJon, without providing a reason, and starts making ungrounded assumptions about scum buddies. Todays lynch is incredibly important which is why more than ever we need to provide evidence. Maybe Jon is scum, but we have no way or knowing for sure. And I haven't personally gotten a scum reading for him, so please explain why he was voted.

Ninja is my second pick for scum for his hasty vote on Unau, but he seem to be recovering now.

I had my suspicions about Maxi, especially how he was all buddy buddy with Rhazz. Now Maxi seems to be taking an independent stance, which sets them apart. But who knows... this could be a part of their strategy...

I'm definitely not getting a scum reading from AlphaJon.

Lastly, I'm still not sure what to think of Onjit, W24, Pyro. It's hard to get a read when they don't post much.

So yea...

N1KF, W24

Kaslai · 2016-02-29 19:25:50

I agree that I don't really see AlphaJon as scum (as of now), and lynching him would be a straight-up waste in my opinion.

While I do think Rhaz is a bit suspicious, I'm not entirely sure he's mafia. He frequently acts pretty fast and loose with his votes from what I've seen.

I also think Ninja has been needlessly implicated by Rhaz's fast and loose behavior, though his response to the implication was a little out of proportion for what I personally would have thought reasonable. I don't think that alone is enough to confirm scum, though.

Maxi on the other hand was pretty quick to jump on the Rhaz-initiated Unau bandwagon before, but both of their recent behavior seems to indicate that they aren't working tightly together. Rather, Maxi was just riding along with whatever Rhaz said, possibly to cover up his actual position in the game. Or maybe Maxi's just lazy and wanted to come off as such.

In all, I'm reading Ninja and Rhaz as suspicious, and Maxi as probably scum.

I really wish the tragedy of Unau could have been averted, but the sins of the past cannot be undone.

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-02-29 19:43:20

So the votes were clearly a reaction test, but I got 2 nice things out of them.

AlphaJon wrote:

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:
Now we just have to find that pesky Witch.
Not cool to talk about yourself like that. /joke
No, really, you're accusing everyone just because you feel like it. You're trying to make us agree with each other so we get read as scum.

Why do you accuse me of being Witch specifically?

Calicara wrote:

Now that I'm on the computer (not mobile), here's my reads so far.
My top pick for scum is Rhazz. He started out strong, but now I'm not so sure. He formed a mob to "policy lynch" Unau, who turned out to be a citizen. Granted Unau was spamming, the way Rhazz took charge to eagerly kill him worries me. So we wake up the next day and the first thing he does is vote Ninja. A little quick to the draw, but not without reason. But now out of the blue he votes AlphaJon, without providing a reason, and starts making ungrounded assumptions about scum buddies. Todays lynch is incredibly important which is why more than ever we need to provide evidence. Maybe Jon is scum, but we have no way or knowing for sure. And I haven't personally gotten a scum reading for him, so please explain why he was voted.
Ninja is my second pick for scum for his hasty vote on Unau, but he seem to be recovering now.
I had my suspicions about Maxi, especially how he was all buddy buddy with Rhazz. Now Maxi seems to be taking an independent stance, which sets them apart. But who knows... this could be a part of their strategy...
I'm definitely not getting a scum reading from AlphaJon.
Lastly, I'm still not sure what to think of Onjit, W24, Pyro. It's hard to get a read when they don't post much.
So yea...

Why do you call me out for voting Ninja then say they're your second scum pick?

I'm just gonna say this right now. We're lynching Ninja today. End of story.
/unvote
/vote Ninja

TaskManager · 2016-02-29 19:56:24

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

We're lynching Ninja today. End of story.

you need like 6 people to agree with that y'know
dont try to look like town leader again >_>

Kaslai wrote:

Maxi on the other hand was pretty quick to jump on the Rhaz-initiated Unau bandwagon before,

actually i was the last one to vote unau and said it was better to replace unau rather than lynch him

Anak · 2016-02-29 20:02:13

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

So the votes were clearly a reaction test, but I got 2 nice things out of them.
I'm just gonna say this right now. We're lynching Ninja today. End of story.
/unvote
/vote Ninja

bs
Policy vote I understand. Pressure vote I get. But a reaction test? I don't know if that's something you usally do, but I don't like it. (Obviously AlphaJon accusing you of being a witch was sarcasm in retaliation to your comment.)
Rhazh, I know you're aggressive, but this is just too much. I've had suspicions on you, but this just seals it for me.

!vote RhazzleFrazzle

N1KF

Calicara · 2016-02-29 21:12:52

@Rhaz: I'm not calling you out for voting Ninja, I'm calling you out for doing it so quickly. Also the way you're purporting your intentions as if we should listen to you isn't cutting it for me. You might be town, you might be Mafia. And at this point I'm more inclined to believe the latter. You still also haven't explained your hostility toward AlphaJon. What are you playing at?

W24 · 2016-02-29 21:29:26

I'd say RhazzleFrazzle might me Mafia due to his voting on AlphaJon without any reason. I also find him kinda aggressive. Ninja, however, I think he's fine.

N1KF

Creature · 2016-02-29 21:33:11

Votecount 2.2

[1] Ninja - RhazzleFrazzle
[1] RhazzleFrazzle - Anak
[0] Onjit
[0] Anak
[0] maxi123
[0] Calicara
[0] Pyromaniac
[0] W24
[0] AlphaJon
[0] Kaslai

[0] No lynch
[8] Not voting: Onjit, maxi123, Calicara, Ninja, Pyromaniac, W24, AlphaJon, Kaslai.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

Onjit · 2016-02-29 22:43:33

Anak wrote:

I don't know if that's something you usally do, but I don't like it.

This is how he "pressure votes" he does this crap at least twice or so every game, just to stir up trouble.

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

I'm just gonna say this right now. We're lynching Ninja today. End of story.

imthecaptainnow.png

some woman, TaskManager, AlphaJon

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-03-01 00:16:01

Oh well doesn't look like I have too much of a choice. Aggression isn't a scum tell if I do it every game as Town. Anyways, I'm Sheriff. I got a Mafia result on Ninja last night.

Kaslai · 2016-03-01 00:24:44

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

Oh well doesn't look like I have too much of a choice. Aggression isn't a scum tell if I do it every game as Town.

Yeah, Rhaz is always pretty aggressive especially as a town PR. That's why I labeled it as suspicious rather than scum.

Anyway, does that count as a hard claim or does the game master confirm hard claims? I don't want to mislynch if it's not.

If it is, I guess Ninja's going to the gallows tonight.

Kaslai · 2016-03-01 00:27:31

maxi123 wrote:

i agree with anak that we should rather replace unau instead of lynching him and getting a potential mislynch
ill also note that ninja looks suspicious with his pattern of copying rhazzle's posts

maxi123 wrote:

actually i was the last one to vote unau and said it was better to replace unau rather than lynch him

Good point, I guess I didn't read the backlog carefully enough.

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-03-01 00:35:03

Moderator doesn't confirm hardclaims Kas. That's the whole point of the game.

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 01:00:40

Now that I have your opinions, I think we can safely say Rhaz is being too aggressive, and trying to lynch about half the town.
So far he's trying to get the town to follow him blindly.
Let's look at our possibilities for Rhaz:
Citizen: he would be trying to catch the scum by provoking everyone and waiting for triggers. It obviously failed since he's lost the trust of a few of us. Unlikely.

Investigate: one died, but nothing prevents a second one (random). He could have a clue about some people's actions, but the fact that he's voting that many people makes this unlikely. Or he identified scum successfully, and wants us to have his will. But in this case he could just have roleclaimed and say the names of the scum, so this one is unlikely.

Protective: his aim is to actually have people target him, so he can fully use his abilities this night, in order to catch the mafia/prevent a mafia kill. However, for this to work, he needs to not get lynched, and the mafia has to actually target him, which I think they won't do because he's already a target for the town. Not as unlikely, but flawed (not lynched AND targeted by mafia). Neutral opinion on this.

Town killing: I'm going to consider only veteran, because sheriff gives the same result as citizen, except for the fact that he'll make a kill by himself during night.

Veteran: he wants people to target him, in order to counteract all of them and killing them at the same time. For this to work, same reason as protective, but more likely to happen, because he will use the most of his night actions. Likely, but also flawed, because of the nolynch and mafia target criteria.

Support: escort or medium, doesn't matter, same as citizen above. Unlikely.

And then there's mafia/witch: He knows well how to try to lead the town. He got a free lynch, thanks to Unau, and planned on getting ninja too, then randomly switched targets. This has caused his plan to backfire, and now he is read as scum by some of us. However, by just blending in with the regular townie, he could have won eventually. Heck, the witch and the mafia could even win together if they could identify each other. Likely, but flawed, because he made mistakes which now are back at him.

In all cases, Rhaz, you didn't play well this mafia, because you let your plan go too far, which now screwed you over.

My global say on this is that you tried to lynch/provoke as much people as possible, in order to secure a win.

For these reasons, I will
!vote RhazzleFrazzle

I may be wrong, as there is always risk in mafia games, in which case I'd be glad to hear about arguments in favor of RhazzleFrazzle, and retract my vote. But don't forget we all still have to identify scum.

PS: I hope you enjoyed this wall of text, because it took me ages to write from my phone

N1KF

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 01:04:33

Ok, so there was some posts in between. So now Rhaz claims Sheriff. That changes the situation a bit. But in this case you could have claimed it right from the beginning, losing 1 town for 1 mafia is greatly helpful towards town winning. Why did you wait for everyone to read you as scum before doing so?

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-03-01 01:08:51

It's best to not reveal that I'm a PR unless I need to. The Witch could **** me over, so I tried to get Ninja lynched without having to hardclaim.

Kaslai · 2016-03-01 01:08:54

RhazzleFrazzle wrote:

Moderator doesn't confirm hardclaims Kas. That's the whole point of the game.

I guess that makes sense. Forgive my ignorance...

I'll wait to make my vote official, but unofficially I'll say that I'll probably end up voting for Ninja.

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 01:09:00

There are 2 IRL days left, so I'll
!unvote
Until this gets sorted out
Sorry for the triple post, I'd edit them but edits aren't really encouraged in mafia games.

W24 · 2016-03-01 01:14:56

Well, I guess I'll vote ninja.

!vote ninja

If ninja turns out to be a citizen, then let's lynch RhazzleFrazzle.

AlphaJon · 2016-03-01 01:17:13

Don't forget about framing though, because ninja's follow-vote was a trigger for some, aka the ideal target for mafia to have lynched. Do you honestly think he would give himself away as mafia in such a way?
About the witch f-over on rhaz: the worst that can happen is the witch controlling you every round to roleblock you, but at this point you'd make the witch useless at the same time, which isn't really great for someone who is on a self-alignment.

Anak · 2016-03-01 01:21:02

I don't see the reason why you needed to claim. I was the only one who had voted you really, and it doesn't seem like you couldn't talk your way out of it? Nonetheless, if no one else claims sooner or later, then I'll change my vote.

RhazzleFrazzle · 2016-03-01 01:21:04

In this setup Witch is aligned with Mafia, so it would make sense for the Witch to control the person that can catch the Mafia. Framer is a possibility, especially since there doesn't appear to be a Janitor, but I say we lynch the bastard to be safe.

Creature · 2016-03-01 01:50:25

Votecount 2.3

[2] Ninja - RhazzleFrazzle, W24
[1] RhazzleFrazzle - Anak
[0] Onjit
[0] Anak
[0] maxi123
[0] Calicara
[0] Pyromaniac
[0] W24
[0] AlphaJon
[0] Kaslai

[0] No lynch
[7] Not voting: Onjit, maxi123, Calicara, Ninja, Pyromaniac, AlphaJon, Kaslai.

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

Pyromaniac · 2016-03-01 02:32:27

I HAVE THOUGHTS.

Tech week is over so I'll type them up when I get home.

Kaslai · 2016-03-01 03:03:27

Anak wrote:

I don't see the reason why you needed to claim. I was the only one who had voted you really, and it doesn't seem like you couldn't talk your way out of it? Nonetheless, if no one else claims sooner or later, then I'll change my vote.

He does have some genuinely useful information that, if correct, will benefit the town immensely. By claiming, he has basically indicated that he or Ninja is mafia (or he just wants to see the world burn...)

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