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shadowda

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Re: is cereal a soup

i havebt read the debate so far but.

cereal is not soup. normaly you dont heat cereal. soup is warm.

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JadElClemens

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Re: is cereal a soup

i havebt read the debate so far but.[...]

You really should, because I (believe I've) addressed that claim already.

In my opinion, no it's not a soup.

finally a mortal with a clean mind

and sweet wasnt the best thing to say i guess
compare the tastes of tomates, potatoes, cucumbers and apples, bananas, lemons
i cant really explain it ok

Compare the taste of a potato to the taste of celery. Compare the taste of carrots to that of potatoes. These are all vegetables, can you state a similarity they all share?

I'll give you this: There is a discrepancy between what is considered a fruit/vegetable scientifically vs. culinarily.

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Re: is cereal a soup

i havebt read the debate so far but.

cereal is not soup. normaly you dont heat cereal. soup is warm.

soup can be cold

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Bobithan

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Re: is cereal a soup

Nobody calls cereal "soup" normally. Like if somebody asks you for some soup you don't pour them milk and cereal. Sure, you may be able to maybe define cereal as a soup by dancing around the definitions a little, but nobody actually considers it to be in the same league as actual soup. They are completely different meals.

So no, cereal is not a soup, unless you want to pretend to be clever by calling it a soup but even then you're still completely and utterly wrong because cereal isn't a soup

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Re: is cereal a soup

ok we can decide this by a doing a poll
http://strawpoll.me/6658040

Even if your poll were fair, it still wouldn't "settle" the issue. It would just show us what peoples' opinions are.

Basically what bob said... and in response to your response to the strawpoll:
Because we define our categories purely on whims decided by society, a poll is the perfect way to examine what we should consider a cereal as being.

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JadElClemens

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Re: is cereal a soup

Nobody calls cereal "soup" normally.

And nobody calls a tomato a fruit, either. But it is.

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Bobithan

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Re: is cereal a soup

That's a bad comparison. Fruits and vegetables fall under scientific objective categorization based on certain details. Cereal and soup are arbitrary human made categories, as hummerz said, and society has collectively decided that cereal should not fall under the category of soup because it doesn't make any sense because they are completely different meals. No establishment would ever put "cereal" under the "soups" section because nobody considers them to be the same thing outside of dumb arguments like this.

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Abelysk

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Re: is cereal a soup

Here's another bit: soup bases are prepared. They have to be made with ingredients. Cereal is just milk and cereal pieces. Milk isn't prepared.

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Re: is cereal a soup

[12:38:03 AM] me: ok now a srs question
[12:38:07 AM] me: is cereal a soup
[12:38:35 AM] [culinary expert]: ...technically, I guess yes

same source as from here

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Bobithan

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Re: is cereal a soup

You cant just call somebody a culinary expert and say they are automatically right. Your anonymous source has no clout, accentuated by the fact that they couldn't even possibly be a culinary expert because they would put cereal under the same category as soup.

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Re: is cereal a soup

[12:38:03 AM] me: ok now a srs question
[12:38:07 AM] me: is cereal a soup
[12:38:35 AM] [culinary expert]: ...technically, I guess yes

same source as from here

everyone go home it's solved

Off-Topic: lolz I like your signature
On-Topic: seems like a soup for now but in the future it will be like instant cereal where you add some drops of milk/water to the "dust" and BOOM cereal

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JadElClemens

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Re: is cereal a soup

That's a bad comparison. Fruits and vegetables fall under scientific objective categorization based on certain details.

Cereal and soup are arbitrary human made categories,

What's the difference? How do you think humans arbitrarily categorized cereal and soup in the first place, if not based on certain details?

as hummerz said, and society has collectively decided that cereal should not fall under the category of soup because it doesn't make any sense because they are completely different meals. No establishment would ever put "cereal" under the "soups" section because nobody considers them to be the same thing outside of dumb arguments like this.

I suppose now we're really just getting meta. We're not arguing about cereal as a soup or not, we're arguing about whether this topic is asking about everyday usage or strict definition.

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skullz17

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Re: is cereal a soup

What category should cereal go in?

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Anak

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Re: is cereal a soup

Question: Does the broth to solid ratio count for anyone? I'd think typically in soups there's a lot more broth than solid, but in cereal it's usually the other way around.

sthegreat

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Re: is cereal a soup

n.    A liquid food prepared from meat, fish, or vegetable stock combined with various other ingredients and often containing solid pieces.

Google "definition of soup".

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Re: is cereal a soup

Nobody calls cereal "soup" normally. Like if somebody asks you for some soup you don't pour them milk and cereal. Sure, you may be able to maybe define cereal as a soup by dancing around the definitions a little, but nobody actually considers it to be in the same league as actual soup. They are completely different meals.

So no, cereal is not a soup, unless you want to pretend to be clever by calling it a soup but even then you're still completely and utterly wrong because cereal isn't a soup

pretty much that
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JadElClemens

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Re: is cereal a soup

Question: Does the broth to solid ratio count for anyone? I'd think typically in soups there's a lot more broth than solid, but in cereal it's usually the other way around.

The ratio might not be quite as big, but I certainly never eat cereal with more solid than liquid. It's absurd.

n.    A liquid food prepared from meat, fish, or vegetable stock combined with various other ingredients and often containing solid pieces.

Google "definition of soup".

Go ahead and look at some other definitions of soup. Not all are as strict.

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sthegreat

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Re: is cereal a soup

Question: Does the broth to solid ratio count for anyone? I'd think typically in soups there's a lot more broth than solid, but in cereal it's usually the other way around.

The ratio might not be quite as big, but I certainly never eat cereal with more solid than liquid. It's absurd.

n.    A liquid food prepared from meat, fish, or vegetable stock combined with various other ingredients and often containing solid pieces.

Google "definition of soup".

Go ahead and look at some other definitions of soup. Not all are as strict.

Hmm. I looked at some more definitions and it seems possible. BUT I have a better argument. Cereal without liquid is still cereal (soup is only soup if it does have liquid in it). Therefore, cereal cannot be a soup because the cereal is seperate from the milk and does not have liquid. Now whether cereal with milk is soup is another question...

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JadElClemens

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Re: is cereal a soup

[...]I have a better argument. Cereal without liquid is still cereal (soup is only soup if it does have liquid in it). Therefore, cereal cannot be a soup because the cereal is seperate from the milk and does not have liquid.

This is a very important distinction that I didn't even consider, good catch.

Now whether cereal with milk is soup is another question...

Given the discussion in this thread, I'd say it certainly is.

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sthegreat

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Re: is cereal a soup

[...]I have a better argument. Cereal without liquid is still cereal (soup is only soup if it does have liquid in it). Therefore, cereal cannot be a soup because the cereal is seperate from the milk and does not have liquid.

This is a very important distinction that I didn't even consider, good catch.

Now whether cereal with milk is soup is another question...

Given the discussion in this thread, I'd say it certainly is.

But if you think about it, milk is not even an intrinsic part of the meal. It is more like a condiment or garnish of some sort.

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JadElClemens

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Re: is cereal a soup

[...]I have a better argument. Cereal without liquid is still cereal (soup is only soup if it does have liquid in it). Therefore, cereal cannot be a soup because the cereal is seperate from the milk and does not have liquid.

This is a very important distinction that I didn't even consider, good catch.

Now whether cereal with milk is soup is another question...

Given the discussion in this thread, I'd say it certainly is.

But if you think about it, milk is not even an intrinsic part of the meal. It is more like a condiment or garnish of some sort.

Milk is not an intrinsic part of the meal? Since when?
I would call it pretty essential. Certainly not just a garnish.

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