[Suggestion] Beginner's Guide to Programming

hummerz5 · 2015-09-02 03:32:39

(this is not a spin-off of Douglas Adams' Guide to the Galaxy, mind you)

I'd personally like to see a guide consisting of various programming pitfalls and suggestions for our users who might be starting out. This might be starting out with programming completely, or maybe just EE/PlayerIOClient in general.

Some starting ideas would be to explain that most often, the compiling errors are the easiest to fix. E.g., you need a cast? Go add the cast. Or, you need an argument? You have the wrong argument? Check what you actually need. Your Form1_OnLoad isn't working, but there's no errors? We know why.

Concerning EE itself: your bot disconnects when it's trying to move somewhere? Did you give the bot edit rights?

I'm thinking along those lines. However, I'm a rather lazy person. Shocking, ik. That, and I feel that we all have our own pitfalls and mistakes. Some things might have come easier than others. As such, I propose a 'wiki' style guide. Be it using our fancy forum wiki, or just a forum post (ew).

I see this as a form of preliminary to working with Jabatheblob1's tutorials. While they're great, many folks don't understand the code they're pasting. That's a point I want to drive home (as I'm sure many of you do as well).

So the question becomes this: Is this guide worth the effort? Would new users benefit? If so, do we WANT new users to benefit? Would there be an influx of dry bots that have key features of snake and guest-bomb?

Thanks & please criticize constructively.

SirJosh3917 · 2015-09-02 03:36:23

▼What may happen

In all seriousness, I do think this is helpful. It's nice to help people step up into the programming community.

hummerz5 · 2015-09-02 03:44:17

Alright, constructive criticism spotted. We could adopt the assumed "Don't edit this wiki unless you have something to add" philosophy. IF that fails, we could set up a closed editing circle of sorts. That's pretty much anyone who has understanding of those tutorial concepts, and can write to be understood.

SirJosh3917 · 2015-09-02 03:51:00

hummerz5 wrote:

Alright, constructive criticism spotted. We could adopt the assumed "Don't edit this wiki unless you have something to add" philosophy. IF that fails, we could set up a closed editing circle of sorts. That's pretty much anyone who has understanding of those tutorial concepts, and can write to be understood.

Good idea... Some people can't write to save their life ( no offence to anybody ), I do like the sound of your idea.

hummerz5

Tomahawk · 2015-09-02 13:27:05

Whatever ends up happening in terms of the form of the proposed learning resource, there must be a clear line between C# tutorials and bot tutorials - too many newbie botters start with a bot instead of a "Hello World" program or a simple app like a calculator, and as a result make terrible bots [not gonna name any names].

This 'wiki' must recommend that a new coder [that's you also, Ninja <3] completes one or more decent C# tutorials before even entering the bot programming section.

den3107 · 2015-09-02 15:04:16

Tomahawk wrote:

that's you also, Ninja <3

Please stop the hate against ninja with no real lead to do so...

Anyways, I'm personally kinda thinking about doing a bot tutorial, included with C#.
I haven't seen any of the other youtube tutorials, but I imagine they don't explain very well what exactly everything does.

What I imagine is a bot tutorial that occasionally takes a quick sideroad to show a couple other possibilities before going back to the main topic.

Anybody that would agree for such a tutorial?

Edit: Oh, and speech, everything will be explained by a voice...

hummerz5 · 2015-09-02 21:53:00

I see what you mean, tomahawk. We can't legitimately draw a line between bot programming and programming except to remove the PlayerIO aspect. If it bores some newbies, that's how life goes.

den3107, your agendas aren't quite on topic. However, while your idea of branching out is great, it simply cannot be an exhaustive system. You can't take a two minute video and explain every possible contingency for coding that some new programmers might need. That's where their own creativity and learning ability come into play. I would get bored seeing the main topic branch so many times, but maybe that's because I'm somewhat well-versed.

All good feedback, still looking for me.

edit: *more

Tomahawk · 2015-09-02 22:32:37

Nobody wants a voice over, or a video showing only one way to do something. Written tutorials ftw.

Maybe DotNetPerls as a template.

den3107 · 2015-09-03 13:49:39

Tomahawk wrote:

Maybe DotNetPerls as a template.

Please no.
So little text per line, so many distractions around it...

My personal experience is btw that the EE community prefers videos (I personally prefer books, but yeah).

Xfrogman43 · 2015-09-03 18:56:28

StackOverFlow is a good place.

SirJosh3917, hummerz5

Tomahawk · 2015-09-03 22:11:18

Pls no moar programming videos. They're difficult to follow compared to a written tutorial and tend to be lower quality overall.

Stack Overflow sure, but isn't the bot section of this forum essentially that?

Xfrogman43 · 2015-09-04 03:09:35

Stop being negative about videos. Some people don't like reading and are better off with videos. Sure, you have your opinion, they have theirs, but I don't see why you are putting down tutorial videos. Jaba did a great job wasting his time for people who don't know much about ee programming and made videos to help them out.

hummerz5 · 2015-09-19 00:51:23

Okay, wiki nerds. Please provide your opinions and improvements. If you completely disagree with some point, please take it to discussion either here or on the Discussion page.

It's not that your opinions aren't valid. It's that there could be multiple possible views, or both cancel out.

The Ultimate Guide Minus A Few Words Which Might Make A Lengthy Title

Also, we probably could add a reference or two
Also, I added some humorous voice in thar. IF y'all find it disagreeable, off with it. But, it's a guide, so I took some editor liberties.

SirJosh3917

shadowda · 2015-09-19 01:30:15

this sounds like a good idea. does anyone have a any good websites or youtube videos for C#.

http://www.capasha.com/eeinformation.php

capasha wrote:

Isn't it better to read tutorials for C# than starting with the PlayerIO connection?
I would think that it's better to know Visual Studio with tutorials, than starting without knowing anything.
Here is some good links to start with first.
http://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/csharp/csharp.html
http://csharp.net-tutorials.com/
http://www.dotnetperls.com/
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ … oston+C%23 This guy programmed on 2010 express, but what you need is https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/downloa … x?id=44914

hummerz5 · 2015-09-19 03:56:29

Well, if it seems relevant and you can find a spot for it, throw it in?
Or just post in this thread which is supposed to be semi-meta. I guess.

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