Abortion

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

Discuss, elaborate upon, and debate your stance on abortion.

Dazz · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh sure man, the perfect forum for this one,,,

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

Why not? I just want to see everyone's stance discussed OUTSIDE of my politics topic.

Different55 · Before February 2015

DEATH TO ABORTION! Abortion = murder imuo (in my unchanging opinion) YOU WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER convince me otherwise. At least find a home for the kid, dangit. Everyone has an equal chance at life, and then you go and knock out this kid's chance at life. He could've grown to be a great person, or a horrible one. But you'll never know because YOU KILLED HIM.

My stance on abortion. Not in any way acceptable to me.

Dazz · Before February 2015

I have nothing against this discussion I just find it in the wrong place, this forum is for kids, Echo just got his similar adult topic locked. Besides this kind of topics are just like those about religion, where everyone thinks his right and will end with a big "fight" of contradictions.

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

Don't even get me started on religion.

supadorf24 · Before February 2015

Do you know how many "lives" are lost through masturbation? What's the difference between that and abortion?

Dazz · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh wrote:

Don't even get me started on religion.

you see, that's what I was talking about...besides Im atheist,,, watch out so don't start, I don't want to discuss about this!!!

Last edited by dazz (Oct 11 2011 4:11:02 pm)

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

I am too.

And also, good point SD24, I hadn't thought of that before!

ChrisKringel · Before February 2015

Abortin is for sure a very interesting topic, as it involves a wide variation of ethical, moral and social aspects. The question whether this should be discussed here is another one. But here my two cent's.

First of all you have to specify what answer you want. Do you want to know if it's murder to abort a baby. Or do you want to know if it's right, to abort? Those are two very diffrent questions.

In order to answer the first one, one has first to define "murder". Since I'm not familiar with US-laws, heres a quotation from wikipedias article about murder:

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being (...)

So the question is, can we say that the embryo is already a human beeing? What defines a human beeing? Is it defined by the ability to perceive itself? From the biological point of view i doubt that, so it wouldnt be murder per se. However if you judge the "humanity" by the things someone can become, a embryo is for sure a human beeing...

The question of humanity, another interesting topic ;-)

To decide wether its right is another discussion. This answer is influenced by the pregnant womens situation and ethic and moral views.

In my opinion every abortion is a difficult topic on its own. I don't think that you can compare a 16-year old pregnant girl with a 32-year old pregnat woman, as they are in very different situations. So you might wanna give a concrete example to discuss ;-)

Nou · Before February 2015

Here goes the same stuff that happens everywhere.

First of all, I'm obviously against seeing abortion as an easy way out for people who are just too plain stupid to use contraceptives. It's only a very last resort in extreme situations.

Abortion itself, however, is fine. Think of women getting raped and having to bear a child of a rapist.

Also, watch this, as anti-abortion people can really **** me off:

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

I think abortion should be 100% legal, her body her choice. Also, sometimes, 'tis better to not have lived at all than to grow up a rape/crack baby or in a terrible home.

In school, a lot of people justify their anti-liberty stance by stating that it is alive because it is made of living cells. So are trees, but you don't mind cutting them down for paper. So are cows, chicken, and pigs, but burgers, chicken, and bacon are tasty as f&%$.

Different55 · Before February 2015

Supadorf24 wrote:

Do you know how many "lives" are lost through masturbation? What's the difference between that and abortion?

I don't masterbate. I repeat what I said earlier, except that if you get raped you shouldn't have to deal with it. If a 16 yr old girl gets pregnant because she's stupid, she should have to deal with it. If there's no rape involved, no abortion.

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

What about those freak happenings when birth control doesn't work/condoms rip?

Different55 · Before February 2015

No. No abortion. Just set the kid up for adoption. I know it's an accident then, but you do have some control over the situation. You could be using several types of contraceptives instead of just one. Just get it over with, a year later, it'll be gone and it'll be behind you and you'll have learned from it.

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

D-55 wrote:

Just set the kid up for adoption.

Do you know how hard it is to part with your own flesh and blood that you ****ing GREW inside of you for almost a year? No "Just" about it.

a3person · Before February 2015

At first I was against abortion but I can under stand with depression reasons because it could cause that. Putting me 60% allow abortion and 40% disallow.

Zoey2070 · Before February 2015

32OrtonEdge32dh wrote:

D-55 wrote:
Just set the kid up for adoption.
Do you know how hard it is to part with your own flesh and blood that you ****ing GREW inside of you for almost a year? No "Just" about it.

Do you know how hard it is to raise a child from birth to 18? You know, staying up late at night because the damn thing won't just shut up? It **** all over itself and is completely reliant on you. You'll have no time to yourself for the next 5ish years, and in those 5ish years you have to teach it a bunch.
Children are a **** huge responsibility, and we all know how much teens can't be responsible if they got pregnant in the first place. No going out on Fridays, possibly working two jobs to support it, dropping out of school.
You can't do anything 'fun' or do any of those things you want to do.

And then the emotional damage of having a 20 year old ask why you abandoned them because of a mistake that you'll regret for the rest of your life.

Might as well just abort it, honestly. The world's overpopulated enough, and if you didn't want a kid, you shouldn't have screwed someone, but the kid shouldn't have to pay for every second of their life due to one stupid mistake you made.
Also, if I were pregnant, I'd probably abort it because I really don't like the idea of... geh... D: having something that big be--- okay, I can't type it out because there's little kids here and I really dislike the idea of childbirth.

edit: Not that I'd be getting pregnant anyway, at least not for another 4 years, if not more.
doubleedit: ...Definitely more. Seriously, nothing should stretch that much... eeehhhhh

Last edited by Zoey2070 (Oct 11 2011 6:08:48 pm)

JadElClemens · Before February 2015

Since I'm Catholic, my opinion has to be

Abortion is always wrong and so are contraceptives. Never have sex before marriage, ever.

However, my belief behind that is

Abortion is wrong, but you can do it if you want to. You can also have sex before marriage if you want to, just don't be a **** and create something you don't want. Abortion is killing a living thing, and I think most of you think of that as murder (unless it's a cow or pig or something you eat, then it's perfectly fine (Which I think it kind of stupid and a double-standard)).

capasha · Before February 2015

I support for abortion. I would do abortion if I knew my baby is going to be born slow. Same if I made a girl pregnant that I didn't want to. No writing about "god did that". There is no god.
slow/handicapped will only cost me so much. Better to have a baby that is going to be normal.

Ratburntro44 · Before February 2015

Was this topic made becasue of me and wmaster? Anyways, no matter what god says, the first amendment still exists. A religion cannot be justification for a law.

ThuggishPrune · Before February 2015

doh wrote:

I support for abortion. I would do abortion if I knew my baby is going to be born slow. Same if I made a girl pregnant that I didn't want to. No writing about "god did that". There is no god.
slow/handicapped will only cost me so much. Better to have a baby that is going to be normal.

My one sister is mentally handicapped.

what you just said is so offensive, I can't believe it.

I really wish you could get a warning for that.

Ratburntro44 · Before February 2015

^Completely right. I think abortion should be legal, but that reasoning is ridiculous.

capasha · Before February 2015

ThuggishPrune wrote:

doh wrote:
I support for abortion. I would do abortion if I knew my baby is going to be born slow. Same if I made a girl pregnant that I didn't want to. No writing about "god did that". There is no god.
slow/handicapped will only cost me so much. Better to have a baby that is going to be normal.
My one sister is mentally handicapped.
what you just said is so offensive, I can't believe it.
I really wish you could get a warning for that.

I have friends that is handicapped. I though it was free speak here? I would never want to make a baby born with a handicap. That's me. If people get handicapped later in their life is one thing.

Last edited by doh (Oct 11 2011 10:40:49 pm)

DK Levels · Before February 2015

I don't see anything wrong with abortion, reasons why:
-It's 9 months, which if you think about it, is actually a long time. 3/4 of the year carrying something you possibly don't want.
-It's painful, a lot of the time you can't even get to sleep
-When I was being born I used to kick all the time < many other soon-to-be-babies are like me
-You got raped, and now you are pregnant - How could a mother look at her child and see half of it is her rapist? It's horrible for the child and the mother.
-Adoption can be good, but it's really hard on the kid. I knew someone who was adopted, it makes you feel rejected, you want to find out why...
-Imo, it's technically not killing a person if it hasn't been born yet. It doesn't have a mind of it's own yet, or even somewhat of a body. It basically doesn't have a working heart and mind - therefore it's not killing.
-Raising a child is SO much work it's unbelievable
-Men will never understand how painful child birth is, okay that's a lie, they might, plus the up to two days of labour... 2 ENTIRE DAYS of frequent... (I forgot what they were called, oh well, you get my point)
- Also if you keep the kid, he/she will be there for a lifetime. If the pregnancy was a mistake, how can you look him/her in the eye and lie to them? These kids look up to you, how do you think they will feel if they knew they were just a mistake?
-Condoms work 99.7% of the time, getting pregnant even though you used protection seems unfair to some people.
-People kill everyday, people die everyday, yet they don't get as much attention as if someone got an abortion.

Above post wrote:

Do you know how hard it is to part with your own flesh and blood that you ****ing GREW inside of you for almost a year? No "Just" about it.

^Completely right.
- What are you going to do if you have a child you can't provide for? Not all people are rich, or have good famillies to help out...

I am also against it because:
- If you didn't use protection, that is your fault, you knew what you might get.

Okay that's it really, all I can think of for now at least.

Last edited by DK Levels (Oct 12 2011 4:31:00 am)

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