Magic/Chat

Mylo · Before February 2015

A QUESTION
I am tired of being forced to play levels, and that's a main reason of complains about the "new" magic.
But honestly, i don't think that's bad - its just a reward for those who play.

I guess Chris & Co never though about the builders. The guys who spent hours of work on worlds, and don't get anything back.
That´s not fair, i mean they are in the game A WAY more then the casual "derp* players".
What do they get as reward? nothing. Just useless woots on the world if they are able to bomb it somehow.

What would be Everybody Edits without worlds? There is no real reason putting time into making them - what i said, we don't get anything back.

Well, i have to say - that's not fully true, we get if we made it good some good feedback, but nothing we could use afterwards, maybe we get some reputation on the community. But new non-chat users don't see the community behind the game. And that leads us to another issue:

This game does not support the community life ( / not in my eyes ).
Imaging:
A new user googled for a sandbox game and finds EE. He loads the page and never heard about it before. He sees that big register button and the trailer. Maybe he likes the trailer and makes an account (I guess 40%+ will quit already here). Now he joins the tutorial world, completes all of them and joins some random worlds.
He has not the ability to try already now the building feature, because he has now worlds. After creeping around for 1h it will get boring. He spent all energy on a useless smiley. The next day he is derping around ones more, spending energy on a small world.

After 2 days he got the world, he places some blocks - maybe finishes the level. And now? Nobody joins. JUST NOBODY.
He made the world in maybe 2 days - because he put a lot effort in it - and now? ^ ... He doesn't gets ANYTHING BACK.
Someone joins the world and he cant even talk to him, the other person cant say what he likes - no feedback.

If he finds the forum + blog after maybe 1 week, he posts the level. And the feedback? HAHAHA.
"This is not challenging, this is crap."
"There are stairs - you are a nuub."
"Hook jumps, the art is some kind of cow crap"

Zomg. If this game is played by so much kids, they get quit depressed because nobody liked their 2 day+ project. (remember its a small world)
And players who are at the same level as this user cant talk to him.

Multiplayer games are about the community.
If the community is bad - nobody likes the game.
The community cant get better if the users can only communicate via nothing. How should it..!?

If a 7-years-old Kid joins EE, he gets "prevented" from the bad community? or what?
LOL. If it would be that important. Kids get "forced" to buy builders club, but we have to prevent them before feedback?
REALLY?
They get all the "bad" words in school though. And hey!, they can speak there too!
They don't get depressed about someone writing "crap".

Anyways, lets get back to the main topic of the thread - builders don't get anything back.
I think we should get at least magic coins too @ our levels and while building them. We should get some other prizes too -
but which? and how?
Cheers Mylo.
*they just play because they are boring and don't know what to do!?

Ben · Before February 2015

You're right. There isn't a better way to describe the situation at the moment.
I believe that the main problem is the lack of communication. The quick-chat is not that helpful and new players don't rush to buy the regular chat.

Last edited by Tomkazaz (Mar 14 2013 9:59:29 am)

NR2001 · Before February 2015

I'm starting to agree with you more. I build my level, can't talk to other players because Chris is more concerned that a parent won't know if their kid is talking (which, by-the-way, the parent should be more responsible, it's not Chris' problem, its the parents'), and I get nothing. Build it, nothing.
You got it.

Calicara · Before February 2015

EE is not a game it's a business. If EE were a real game then everything would be free, but it's not. It's just another pay to play scam.

Ben · Before February 2015

Every game aspires to make a minimum profit.
EE however, wasn't always like that. In the past, the real-money items were more of a donation than a payment.
The system has changed - EE has become a money maker with no will to satisfy their loyal veterans.

Mylo · Before February 2015

Well, in every multiplayer game you see free chat? i guess EE could grow a lot faster if he would disable this punishment. I mean kids can hear this bad words he like to prevent them from everywhere. On the way to school for example. MAN if you never heard a bad word, would you be the person you are at the moment?

In my opinion they should leave it free, and don't let the parents think their kids are save. If they really get into the game. they'll buy BC, for sure. Just because they don't like to wait 10 months for getting 20 portals.
Remember not everyone plays the full day games, and cant spent the full day energy..

This game cant really grow if there is no easy way to communicate, and the % age of players will stay at a low number..

Cheers

Master1 · Before February 2015

You should send this to the big shoe. I agree with everything. Also, I've never been able to understand why we need to buy chat, and then have censors. If we have censors on all the bad words, he might as well just make it free.

giftboxfan · Before February 2015

I most definitely agree. Why can't users get temporary chat? They should get chat if a certain number of users or more join their world.;)

Master1 · Before February 2015

The user counting system has been bugged for years. So that wouldn't work.

Mylo · Before February 2015

I don't think just sending it to MrShoe would help. What we need is a petition to remove the chat lock and adding some kind of reward for the world creators

Cheers Mylo

Ben · Before February 2015

You can make a survey. You SHOULD make a survey. Want me to do it for you ? XD

Bobithan · Before February 2015

What's the difference between chat and blocks? If anything, blocks are worse because you can draw nasty things that couldn't scar a kid like words would, and you can make words with them too! I guess we might as well also put a freaking $3 price toward simply being able to place blocks in a world, right?

Thing is, the $0.01 thing that Chris came up with was in fact reasonable, because it was a near nothing fee verifying you have permission to use the chat. Simple! But when Shoe came in and make the price $3, that just crossed the line. Seriously, spending $3 on being able to speak? What is this? Sure you may argue that it also gives you some gems, but what if I don't want your freaking gems? What if I simply want to speak to others? Give me back the $0.01 price, or remove the parental control completely.

skullz17 · Before February 2015

Why does everyone call EE a money-making scam/game/whatever?

If the whole game was for money then it would cost money just to play. You can say that specific things are a bit overpriced, such as chat.

To be honest, chat was never a product for sale. It was never supposed to be something that would be bought. The 1 cent/penny/whatever currency was just a confirmation from parents. It should have been kept like that. It was a secure method and the community didn't have many problems with it. But NOW, it costs $3 I think, which is a complete rip-off. Even if it is compensated with 50 gems. What if someone doesn't want gems because they don't care about classics, but they DO want to chat?

With your thing saying about how players aren't rewarded for building, I disagree. The game is for fun, and that is the purpose of both building and playing other levels. I find fun in building because I get the sense of completion and achievement when it's done and I feel proud of myself for doing it.

Having players come to your world is like a bonus, adding to your pride and making you feel even better. I do agree that it's a problem that players can't give feedback but that's more part of the chat argument. I never feel bad when I don't get rewarded for building. I don't build for rewards. I don't build for others' satisfaction, I build for my own. And the only reason people want others to see their work is because it makes them feel better. That's the initial reasoning for wanting people to see your work, not the advantage of having people seeing your work. There are many advantages, like improving for next time.

People seeing your work is great but just being satisfied with yourself is enough (Or at least for me).

Last edited by skullz16 (Mar 18 2013 1:51:13 pm)

Mylo · Before February 2015

skullz16 wrote:

Why does everyone call EE a money-making scam/game/whatever?

simple, because it is one. compare the old ee to this one - it got into the business.
I dont say thats bad but - to pay for the right to talk is not fair.
(i wont begin starting my rant on the beta removal though)

skullz16 wrote:

If the whole game was for money then it would cost money just to play.

Well, did you heard about the free to play model?
Fact is game developers make a lot more money out of free to play games, a way more then out of buy once games.
Imaging minecraft where you pay for every block like in EE...

skullz16 wrote:

You can say that specific things are a bit overpriced, such as chat.
To be honest, chat was never a product for sale. It was never supposed to be something that would be bought. The 1 cent/penny/whatever currency was just a confirmation from parents. It should have been kept like that. It was a secure method and the community didn't have many problems with it. But NOW, it costs $3 I think, which is a complete rip-off. Even if it is compensated with 50 gems. What if someone doesn't want gems because they don't care about classics, but they DO want to chat?

well, it should have been free since the begin, but well if Chris wants the parents to verify they want their child chatting, its ok. but not for 3$..

skullz16 wrote:

With your thing saying about how players aren't rewarded for building, I disagree. The game is for fun, and that is the purpose of both building and playing other levels. I find fun in building because I get the sense of completion and achievement when it's done and I feel proud of myself for doing it.

sure, but its not fair - builders lose their class during building, since they don't get anything magical

skullz16 wrote:

Having players come to your world is like a bonus, adding to your pride and making you feel even better. I do agree that it's a problem that players can't give feedback but that's more part of the chat argument. I never feel bad when I don't get rewarded for building. I don't build for rewards. I don't build for others' satisfaction, I build for my own. And the only reason people want others to see their work is because it makes them feel better. That's the initial reasoning for wanting people to see your work, not the advantage of having people seeing your work. There are many advantages, like improving for next time.

Just the feedback or making you feel better doesn't fix the class problem. And you don't really get any good feedback in EverybodyEdits
If you like to derp around 3h just for waiting some random person joins your level, well lucky you. I guess guest bombing would be the better solution - oh and there we go, another thing which is bad: People need to use 3rd Party tools to get their level noticed >:)

Cheers Mylo

Last edited by Mylo (Mar 19 2013 11:45:40 am)

John · Before February 2015

With the community constantly complaining to Chris isn't cool. He is a person too. I think we should be grateful for what we have, instead of what we don't. But he should listen to us because we are his customers...
I'm leaning toward Mylo.

Ben · Before February 2015

Emalton wrote:

With the community constantly complaining to Chris isn't cool. He is a person too. I think we should be grateful for what we have, instead of what we don't. But he should listen to us because we are his customers...
I'm leaning toward Mylo.

Actually, we already have TOO MUCH.. We don't need more packs..

Fdoou · Before February 2015

I couldn't agree with this more.

Persona · Before February 2015

I am tired of being forced to play levels, and that's a main reason of complains about the "new" magic.
But honestly, i don't think that's bad - its just a reward for those who play.

This is true because people probably wanted to guest-bomb which this format kind of destroyed. I agree with everything except the fact you are forced to play. OMG IM FORCED TO WATCH YOGCAST VIDEOS CAUSE THEY SHOW UP IN MY VIDEO FEED!!! No, you don't.

I guess Chris & Co never though about the builders. The guys who spent hours of work on worlds, and don't get anything back.
That´s not fair, i mean they are in the game A WAY more then the casual "derp* players".
What do they get as reward? nothing. Just useless woots on the world if they are able to bomb it somehow.

All I see in the lobby now-a-days is old levels being featured.. Never have I seen a great new level. I (for the most part) play on the Online tab (probably with many others) so if you guest bomb it, it will be featured..

What would be Everybody Edits without worlds? There is no real reason putting time into making them - what i said, we don't get anything back.

No, you just need to advertise it..

Well, i have to say - that's not fully true, we get if we made it good some good feedback, but nothing we could use afterwards, maybe we get some reputation on the community. But new non-chat users don't see the community behind the game. And that leads us to another issue:

Oh, the chat issue. Just like the Majora's Mask Operation Moonfall, let it die please.
There is nothing wrong with Chris asking for money for chat.. If you dislike the game THAT MUCH for troll protection, you can go to Club Peng or Reblox. No more debate needs to be over this.

This game does not support the community life ( / not in my eyes ).
Imaging:
A new user googled for a sandbox game and finds EE. He loads the page and never heard about it before. He sees that big register button and the trailer. Maybe he likes the trailer and makes an account (I guess 40%+ will quit already here). Now he joins the tutorial world, completes all of them and joins some random worlds.
He has not the ability to try already now the building feature, because he has now worlds. After creeping around for 1h it will get boring. He spent all energy on a useless smiley. The next day he is derping around ones more, spending energy on a small world.
After 2 days he got the world, he places some blocks - maybe finishes the level. And now? Nobody joins. JUST NOBODY.
He made the world in maybe 2 days - because he put a lot effort in it - and now? ^ ... He doesn't gets ANYTHING BACK.
Someone joins the world and he cant even talk to him, the other person cant say what he likes - no feedback.

How can anyone fix this? This is what happens with any- sandbox game. Look at GameGlobe, Minecraft, Roblox. This isn't just EE we are talking about here. The only possible way to fix it can be exploited by anyone so it isn't like it would be a good idea anyways. The idea is adding some sort of BUMP buttion.

If he finds the forum + blog after maybe 1 week, he posts the level. And the feedback? HAHAHA.
"This is not challenging, this is crap."
"There are stairs - you are a nuub."
"Hook jumps, the art is some kind of cow crap"

No, he'll probably ragequit ee after seeing this forum..

Zomg. If this game is played by so much kids, they get quit depressed because nobody liked their 2 day+ project. (remember its a small world)
And players who are at the same level as this user cant talk to him.

Every single game out there is littered by kids. Nothing can be done. Companys ENJOY kids playing CoD because they get profit after each buy. This game is free so the game has pulled in many others to that effect..

Multiplayer games are about the community.
If the community is bad - nobody likes the game.

STOP, I already said this community is bad.. The only thing that makes this community worth while are the creators of tools/levels, not people who complain. If you made a stairs level, you are already one level higher in "being better" then anyone who is still complaining.

The community cant get better if the users can only communicate via nothing. How should it..!?

It would be great if the whole 'old issues debate' would stop. They already decided they are not going to reverse EE Builders Club, and Chat so can we PLEAAAAAAAAASE let them die..

If a 7-years-old Kid joins EE, he gets "prevented" from the bad community? or what?
LOL. If it would be that important. Kids get "forced" to buy builders club, but we have to prevent them before feedback?
REALLY?

Kids are not forced to pay for the builders club. I do agree that this whole -- you need to be this certain level to pay energy -- is not that great, really is my only issue with this game nowadays.

They get all the "bad" words in school though. And hey!, they can speak there too!
They don't get depressed about someone writing "crap".

That is school, a crappy education system where people are bullied and can be exposed to those words. This is EE, the game (not this forum) is a perfect kid environment. Can we please just let this chat issue die? PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!

Anyways, lets get back to the main topic of the thread - builders don't get anything back.
I think we should get at least magic coins too @ our levels and while building them. We should get some other prizes too -
but which? and how?

Welcome to your average sandbox game. There are things that can be done I guess, but really-- none of them come with out exploitable use.

Mylo · Before February 2015

Persona wrote:
Oh, the chat issue. Just like the Majora's Mask Operation Moonfall, let it die please.
There is nothing wrong with Chris asking for money for chat.. If you dislike the game THAT MUCH for troll protection, you can go to Club Peng or Reblox. No more debate needs to be over this.
...
It would be great if the whole 'old issues debate' would stop. They already decided they are not going to reverse EE Builders Club, and Chat so can we PLEAAAAAAAAASE let them die..
...
That is school, a crappy education system where people are bullied and can be exposed to those words. This is EE, the game (not this forum) is a perfect kid environment. Can we please just let this chat issue die? PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!
just because its an "old issues debate" it doesnt needs to be stopped ( the debate ). Why does it come always up? Because we, his customers, are not happy with it.
we want to see a change - It seems like we need everytime to figure out how the game would be better, work out a solution, and make a petition to make chris hearing us. This should not be the way of progress. The EETeam should try to make the game better on his own, detecting mistakes and making them better
( f.e. they could use something called Bug Tracker, they might cost something monthly - but common, they get aloud of money back, because the game would be better )
Back to the "old issues debate". I don't see any game, where you are "forced" to pay so much money just for the right to communicate to other people.
You might think, well its chris's game. And yes it is. And we are the community and hey, without community is the game = nothing. What i said.
wikipedia wrote:
Communication is recognised as an essential human need and, therefore, as a basic human right. Without it, no individual or community can exist, or prosper. Communication enables meanings to be exchanged, propels people to act and makes them who and what they are. Communication strengthens human dignity and validates human equality. Communication is both genetically universally inherent to being human but also has a cultural aspect. Thus, individuals are universally born with the ability to learn a language but the language they learn is determined by the culture in which they are born. Consequently, communication is a basic universal right that also recognizes cultural diversity. By recognising, implementing and protecting communication rights, we are recognising, implementing and protecting all other human rights.

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memylo wrote:
I am tired of being forced to play levels, and that's a main reason of complains about the "new" magic.
But honestly, i don't think that's bad - its just a reward for those who play.
Persona wrote:
This is true because people probably wanted to guest-bomb which this format kind of destroyed. I agree with everything except the fact you are forced to play. OMG IM FORCED TO WATCH YOGCAST VIDEOS CAUSE THEY SHOW UP IN MY VIDEO FEED!!! No, you don't.
If you like to enjoy all features of Everybody Edits you are forced to play a lot levels, because you want to keep your magic rank high.

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memylo wrote:
What would be Everybody Edits without worlds? There is no real reason putting time into making them - what i said, we don't get anything back.
Persona wrote:
No, you just need to advertise it..
So you get something from making advertisement? wow. I talk about people without chat.

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Persona wrote:
How can anyone fix this? This is what happens with any- sandbox game. Look at GameGlobe, Minecraft, Roblox. This isn't just EE we are talking about here. The only possible way to fix it can be exploited by anyone so it isn't like it would be a good idea anyways. The idea is adding some sort of BUMP buttion
Well, it is JUST EverybodyEdits what we are talking about. I never said something about Minecraft/GameGlobe etc. Do you gain in Minecraft ( the only game i really know of the games your mentioned ) woots by touching coins? Can you modification EE's source? Do you need to guestbomb worlds in Minecraft to get attention to them? Do you need to pay in Minecraft to get the right to chat? Do you need to wait hours of nothing to get blocks in Minecraft?
A bump button is a quit good idea. You pay some "Energy" to it and your level will be bumped, you can bump as often as you wish if you have the energy to do so. Maybe you could get a Energy bonus while being activ in a level in godmode!? Yes this could be exploited but its better then atm. And every exploit can be fixed.

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Persona wrote:
No, he'll probably ragequit ee after seeing this forum..
...
STOP, I already said this community is bad.. The only thing that makes this community worth while are the creators of tools/levels, not people who complain. If you made a stairs level, you are already one level higher in "being better" then anyone who is still complaining.
Just because you already said the community is bad i wont stop. People who complain are showing the creator something needs to change. If the developer of the game is intelligent enough he will try to make the community ( which is complaining ) happy. This progress will make the game + community better.
If the community cant communicate, they cant start complaining. They cant start friendships. They cant getting feedback. I already told my point in the first post.

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Persona wrote:
That is school, a crappy education system where people are bullied and can be exposed to those words. This is EE, the game (not this forum) is a perfect kid environment. Can we please just let this chat issue die? PLEEEEEEEEEEASE!
If this would be the perfect "kid environment" nobody could create or change anything in the game, because people always tend to draw not so kid environment friendly things.
J.R.R Tolkien wrote:
It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.
That´s the truth. If you go outside of your home, you will start hearing bad words. Nobody can protect you. If you watch a video, its the same. EverybodyEdits should not try to do the parents job. 1 cent was ok. But now - just no.

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I could debate with this one post a lot more, but i do not like to.
Cheers Mylo.

nvd · Before February 2015

lol

Mylo · Before February 2015

lol. i guess it actually worked. wow. chat for everyone. they get into the right direction...

Cool12309 · Before February 2015

So this is what caused that stupid update? This thread? Well, I hope you're happy. Seriously.

Mylo · Before February 2015

If you had chat before, you may tell it stupid. If not screw you. There may be kids out there, but thats actually ees community. Thats the community chris and his team made. Nothing else. Screw them.

And i actually thing its a lot better then before

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