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32OrtonEdge32dh

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Occupy Wall Street, et al

I'm getting so sick of the Occupy movement.   Is it getting anything done?   Nope.   Do they have a clear-cut message?   Nope.   Can they just go home, take a shower, and go to work?   It's not going to accomplish anything, and we're gonna have to just watch more crap like this on the news:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8uYH9cg3LY[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00r-GpxoD_Q[/youtube] (which is explained here: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ3u7V9hzCE[/youtube])
Etc, etc.
If they want more money, go to work!   Is it that hard to understand?
"Oh boo hoo I gots no money so I'll stop working to go watch a drum circle and feel involved"

More points to come.

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Shinabi

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

It's not Occupy Wall street, it's the reaction. They have a very unclear demand, but a demand nonetheless, and that is to stop giving money to th rich and taking from the poor.

Zoey2070

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

ya k, I suppose you think women's suffrage came about by women giving up and saying, 'oh lol nvm lemme go make a sammich 4 u n hopez i getz rites 2!'
**** PLEASE. You have to protest and go on strike or whatever the **** to get crap done, you know.

If they want more money, they sort of need to do something about it because it sure as hell isn't going to happen by asking politely. People have families to feed, you know, and people sometimes can't do that with what they make. You see, politicians make a crap of money. And then a lot of people have to worry about putting food on the table for their children. It's not exactly the fairest thing ever, you know? It's like communism. Except not at all.
Not everyone makes x00k a year, you know. But politicians do.

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32OrtonEdge32dh

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

Women's suffrage is a whole 'nother deal.
Did you know most households deemed poor have at least one gaming system?   The system is usually an Xbox 360.   The cheapest model is currently about 200 bucks.   That's about two weeks of food for a family of four, gone to waste.   A lot of those people protesting can easily squeeze a couple hundred extra bucks out of their budget for food and clothes and school crap.   And protesting hasn't done anything except injure people and annoy even more.   And as this video shows, the people that they're protesting against don't give a crap.   They are just sitting there, watching, drinking champagne.   These protests won't help anyone or anything.   Corruption has always existed, and always will.   Execs and such won't just go "omg they're sitting outside my building i'mma give away all my monies now".

(Part of the protest is them wanting the 1% to pay more taxes.   THEY DON'T MAKE THE LAWS.   A lot of them, including Warren Buffett, WANT to pay the same amount as everyone else.   It's not like they can just add money to taxes they pay.   Bill Gates has given away 28 BILLION dollars to charity AND signed a pledge along with Buffett to give away at least half their fortunes to charity: they're not too stingy with the money.)

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

WELL, you can't really exactly go to work if you've been laid off, and have you heard of the terms 'bought used' or 'gift'? Quick Google search says that used Xbox 360's are around $100-150.
...and people suddenly become poor, you know. Buy xbox 360 while you're rolling in the dough.
Oh. crap. I GOT LAID OFF. WHILE THE HIGHER UPS GOT A PAY RAISE. GODDAMMIT, I TOTALLY DESERVED IT LOL THOSE PESKY EXECUTIVES CAN BUY A THIRD YACHT NOW. <333
Not exactly fair, you know?
What about the Walton Family? Founders of Wal-mart? You know, the massive chain store that can have outrageously low prices because they're that big? And because of their outrageously low prices, they put a lot of small businesses out of business, essentially making those families who might have had a family business for generations not have that much money, because they can't afford to compete with a corporate giant?

Look at this:
Total: US$92 billion
That's how much money they have. I don't see them giving out millions to charity, with the exception of Helen Walton.
So they have so much money that they could easily give out hundreds of thousands for a really long time [like donating to charity...], yet their employees for the most part only make minimum wage?
Sure, Occupy Wall street's resistance is futile, but maybe one day someone will look out of their high rise apartment while they're surrounded by the most expensive hookers around, and say,
'Today is great. I have a crap of girls surrounding me, willing to do my bidding, and there's people out there who can't afford half of one of these girls. They look really unhappy. Perhaps I'll donate my money to charity or give my employees raises that way they can buy sexy hookers too.'
'cept u kno they're too corrupt and that's probably not going to happen, but why not let them try?

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treejoe4

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

Maybe we should all sit back and be sheep! Protests have done a lot in other countries lately! 'The stuff on the news' is partly why they wont stop protesting.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

WELL, you can't really exactly go to work if you've been laid off

How many of them do you think are laid off?   I'm sure a good amount, but not most, I'd be willing to bet.

and have you heard of the terms 'bought used'

Still over 100 bucks, like you said.   A week's worth of food.

or 'gift'?

Well, didn't exactly consider that, but how many poor peoples' families are throwing around 360's?   Also, sell that crap and get some cash.

...and people suddenly become poor, you know. Buy xbox 360 while you're rolling in the dough.

If you can roll in it, you should save it.   Duh.

Oh. crap. I GOT LAID OFF. WHILE THE HIGHER UPS GOT A PAY RAISE. GODDAMMIT, I TOTALLY DESERVED IT LOL THOSE PESKY EXECUTIVES CAN BUY A THIRD YACHT NOW. <333

It's not anyone's fault you get laid off.   If there's not enough to sustain you working wherever you work, you get laid off.   That's it.   The company as a whole might be doing well, just not where you are.

What about the Walton Family? Founders of Wal-mart? You know, the massive chain store that can have outrageously low prices because they're that big? And because of their outrageously low prices, they put a lot of small businesses out of business, essentially making those families who might have had a family business for generations not have that much money, because they can't afford to compete with a corporate giant?

I never said that EVERY rich person gave away money.

Sure, Occupy Wall street's resistance is futile

So you agree....

but maybe one day someone will look out of their high rise apartment while they're surrounded by the most expensive hookers around and say blahblahblah

Why would they have a look outside when there's so much going on inside?   And either way, that's a huge maybe.
And why would they give away their money when they see what it can do for them?!

'cept u kno they're too corrupt and that's probably not going to happen, but why not let them try?

Because it annoys everyone and it'll just keep hurting more people than it helps.   But hey, let 'em get maced and "nudged" with batons, it's none of my business.

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Twipply

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I'm getting so sick of the Occupy movement.

I got this far and became sceptical of your post.

Is it getting anything done?   Nope.

I got this far and realised you were stupid.   The people posting in this thread at a minimum know about them, does publicity for their cause not count?

If you say stupid things, people aren't going to take you very seriously at all.   I, for example, didn't even read the rest of your post.   When you remake it and I can get past the 2nd line without seeing idiocy, I'll reconsider.

TheGreenTroll

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This movement is far more righteous than the rebels in Libya.

This movements, protests against the thiefs at Wall Street. The bosses at Wall Street has taken MY savings, it doesn't even matter that I live in SWEDEN, and not in the USA, and don't owe American banks ANY kind of money. They have stolen my savings, I've lost 50 % of £70.000, THIS YEAR.

So I say, stop being so God darn peaceful, get a *** and chase these bosses into the ocean!

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

@Zoey2070

A big problem is PEOPLE. How much do you want to bet a large number of people in the occupy protests shopped at walmart when some small business was competing against it? Most likely a lot. And bad choices with money are people's fault, not some rich guy's. Some time ago I believe I read that the average American family would go bankrupt within two months of losing an income source if they continued their normal lifestyle. TWO MONTHS.

That is ridiculous. If these people were better with money, they would have more savings. Don't blame a rich guy for that. NORMAL PEOPLE'S bad spending habits is a large part of what caused this recession, and I'm betting a large amount of the protesters ARE some of these people.

I'm not saying the protesters are evil idiots. But there are much better ways to get stuff done than this. And people should actually THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE for once.

That said, I support increased taxes on the rich, but I think the money should be put toward public education and transportation. We also need to spend less on military. Let's see...

The 2012 military budget for the US (low end): $1,030,000,000,000
Average yearly tuition cost at a public university (rounded up): $5,000
College educations that could be payed for with US military budget (low end estimate): 206 million

So how about we spend a little less on military (maybe only half a trillion?), and get college educations for almost everyone in the US?

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

I'm getting so sick of the Occupy movement.

I got this far and became sceptical of your post.

Is it getting anything done?   Nope.

I got this far and realised you were stupid.   The people posting in this thread at a minimum know about them, does publicity for their cause not count?

If you say stupid things, people aren't going to take you very seriously at all.   I, for example, didn't even read the rest of your post.   When you remake it and I can get past the 2nd line without seeing idiocy, I'll reconsider.

The movement's only accomplishment is that some people know about it.   It hasn't changed anything that it set out to change, therefore I said that it hadn't gotten anything done.

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Twipply

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Is it getting anything done?   Nope.

The movement's only accomplishment is that some people know about it.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

Orton:

I AM DISAPPOINT.
Resistance is Futile.
And the funny thing is, there's actually comments about the protests on that video.

Anyway, just because someone's immediate family is poor doesn't mean that their extended family or friends isn't poor.
People don't usually ask others for money because they have PRIDE.
and that's how they could get an xbox 360. Family.

Why bother saving it if it's an endless supply of money from work? (I'd say something like, oh, bill gates doesn't save his money, but he does, so. . .)
I didn't literally mean rolling in the dough. But see, unlike Tom Lehrer, people aren't prepared for everything like hiding their blunt so the camp master doesn't see it. (Okay, I'll give you this reference since you didn't get resistance is futile. ;-; x )
But basically, people don't expect to be laid off, they think their job is secure, so they don't save as much as they should. What if they had been saving for an xbox, should they just not get it because it's 100 dollars? I could have seriously gotten one of those with my christmas money. And that's not even that much.

As for that next point, I'm not even going to bother with this one because I don't feel like arguing when I have things to do. And because I can't think of a way to reply.

I think a lot of rich people keep their moneys to themselves. Corruption, you know? Everyone would be substancially richer if we became communist and shared everything, including money. But then the value of the dollar would go down and communism hardly ever works so oh well.

It was just to make a star trek reference.

I know it was a huge maybe, and it's also wishful thinking, because no one would be that kind to non-hot girls when they have a raging ---- stopping. Not finishing that.

YOU ARE THE 99%, ORTON! EMBRACE ITTTTTTTT!

Ratburntro44:
...I agree with most of your post. You know, a lot of people would love to attack a lot of Americans. We sorta kinda need military though.
...And you know what happens to a lot of college people?
They're overqualified and end up being janitors or something even though they have a college education.
And a lot of people would just slack off in college, you know, those people who wear their pants down to their knees? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them while I'm trying to get a college education.
Even though I don't even want to go to college.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

^Yeah, but a trillion dollars as the low estimate, 1.5 trillion the high? That's a bit much. Imagine- If we had more college educated people, we could more efficiently spend military money by building more computer automated defense systems, other stuff like that.

And you would still have to get accepted to a college to go it. Just, a lot more colleges could be run.

If you've seen other political posts around mine, you'd see I pretty much completely support more government funding for education, so, yeah. My best idea on how to solve problems.

That said, I do agree with a lot of the stuff in your post too, but I don't feel like righting it down here.

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Re: Occupy Wall Street, et al

FYI, 80/90% of the kids/young adults have the same political ideas than their parents. It comes from a study in France, but I'm pretty sure it's the same everywhere. I guess you really start having your own opinion when you pay your own bills, you have your job and your own house, etc. Until then you are way too much influenced. Being a lefty/righty when your parents are righty/lefty is something quite rare.
Also, please, don't listen to TV news, it belongs to lobbies, and therefore aren't neutral at all. You should try looking for independant newspapers or even news websites. Or just use google news and make your own opinion with what you read on several news websites.

Anyway, have you talked to one of those "occupiers" or do you just repeat all the arguments you've heard from your friends. I liked this movement and went to #occupyladéfense 3 weeks ago to talk with some people, hear what they have to say, and listen to the debates then, and now I can tell you this isn't going to change a lot of things for two reasons ( amongst many ) :

- They don't know what they really want. All political movements had thinkers, where Stephane Hessel - this 80yo french WWII resistant who wrote "Time for Outrage!" - just explained why the should be outraged, not what to do. Therefore, they are just here to say : There's something wrong. Hessel and one of his old friend wrote another book to explain what it should be after, but the sales are lower for now.
- Politicians an the "1%" actually don't give a damn about this, and they'll only react when they will strike where it hurts : the wallet. When the 99% will withdraw their money from the banks, and ask everyone to do the same, and start attacking banks and insurance groups, then they'll start considering changing the society or start being fascist and release the cops-hounds.

So, yeah, go make your own opinion and please don't repeat what you've seen/read anywhere, even if it's pro/con. Nobody have to tell you what to think.

FYI : In France, the occupy movement is really really small compared to the other european countries. They only are +-50 + 80 people leaving every night, and cops destroy the camp every day, so it's not the same.

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xputnameherex

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Kids Having Fun.

Guys, here is a great analogy for you:
OWS Protestor: I'm gonna climb Mount Everest!
But wait, someone is already about midway up of it!
Why do they get to be there? I WANT TO BE THERE!!!
SOMEONE GET ME A HELICOPTER, OR SOME HIGHER POWER, AND BRING ME UP, AND THEM DOWN!!!ONE!!!

My advice to the people at the bottom: "Start Climbing"

Twipply

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Kids Having Fun.

This is Ray Lewis, he's a retired police captain and was arrested by the NYPD not long ago.   If you think they're "kids having fun", then you're quite obviously mistaken.

As I said to Orton, if you want to be taken seriously, don't say stupid things.   The rest of your post isn't worth my effort when you clearly don't know what you're talking about from the start.

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It still funny to see people being extremly disrespectful with people they don't agree with, giving them lessons when they don't know what they're talking about, especially without any arguments to support their thesis and not trying to discuss the thing with other people.
Also, again, stating that #occupysomething is about getting more money clearly show you don't know what they want and why they are doing this. And it also sounds like you're repeating what you've heard from your parents / your friends / on TV.

EDIT : Damn you Twipply !

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treejoe4

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Twipply, you can never lose.

Y0shii

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I totally agree this is absolute nonsense.
The occupiers have no point for doing this, they are jur disrupting people.

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Kids Having Fun.

This is Ray Lewis, he's a retired police captain and was arrested by the NYPD not long ago.   If you think they're "kids having fun", then you're quite obviously mistaken.

As I said to Orton, if you want to be taken seriously, don't say stupid things.   The rest of your post isn't worth my effort when you clearly don't know what you're talking about from the start.

Ahem. That was an expression sir. That is not meant to be taken literally as "kids."

I don't know what I'm talking about? What they want is a more socialist government, and that is a great analogy to use.

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treejoe4

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I totally agree this is absolute nonsense.
The occupiers have no point for doing this, they are jur disrupting people.

Yes, absolutley no point. They are doing it for fun.

Dont make a point if it is stupid.

They are distrupiting barely anyone except the police,   and they are protesting against corrupt goverments. Saying they have no point in doing it is extremely disrespectful.

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I totally agree this is absolute nonsense.
The occupiers have no point for doing this, they are jur disrupting people.

Yes, absolutley no point. They are doing it for fun.

Dont make a point if it is stupid.

They are distrupiting barely anyone except the police,   and they are protesting against corrupt goverments. Saying they have no point in doing it is extremely disrespectful.

*laughs at first two lines*

They are more doing it because they want more socialism, they find it unfair that some people get money (read: people who actually do anything) and they (read: don't do anything) want that money.

treejoe4

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Thats a extremely ignorant statement. Some rich people work for their money, some are born into it. But nearly all are corrupt.
Every single country on this earth is controlled by the rich, almost no one can gain enough money to turn rich.

They are protesting because of that, not because its unfair some people are rich and they arent. They are people who work for a living, people from all types of backgrounds.

Twipply

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I totally agree this is absolute nonsense.
The occupiers have no point for doing this, they are jur disrupting people.

It took me all of 60 seconds to find this.   It is not hard to find reason or a point to their actions if you actually make the miniscule effort required to do so.

As I seem to be telling people a lot recently:   If you wish to be taken seriously, don't say stupid things.

Ahem. That was an expression sir. That is not meant to be taken literally as "kids."

An expression or not, it changes nothing about it being wrong.   For something that only has two points to it, I find it hard to take it anything but literally.   They are not all kids.   They are not all having fun.   Saying they are is simply incorrect.

I don't know what I'm talking about? What they want is a more socialist government, and that is a great analogy to use.

When you open with something so blatantly wrong, it does lead me to think you don't know what you're talking about, yes.   When you remove the trash from what you say, I can reevaluate your argument as a whole.   Until that happens, what you say has no worth to me and shouldn't to anyone else.