Chick-Fil-A & Gay Rights

Tako · Before February 2015

M1i8

So this has stirred up a little debate on Imgur. I want to hear what EE thinks of it.

The most common things I hear are:
"So someone disagrees with you and you use the power of government to punish them?"

"I don't understand why everyone hates on them...they just support the religious form of marriage..."

"Your opinion isn't the same as mine, therefore you are wrong and should die."

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Here is all I have to say on the matter:

1) The Mayor is standing up for what he believes in, and that is equality. If Chick-Fil-A judges applicants by their sexuality, and refuse them employment, why can't Menino judge a restaurant by what they believe in? And refuse them business?

2) Read that last paragraph on the letter. This man has worked hard for gay rights, and people are expecting him to simply forget it in the name of freedom? It's more than just a CFA restaurant. It should be considered a weapon against gay rights, and this man has every right to deny them business.

3) I'm fine with CFA having their beliefs. I really don't care what they believe in. But when they spend millions of dollars to force that opinion on other people through politics, and when they deny people employment because of it, I lose my respect for said opinion and for CFA. That's just crossing the line.

"Standing up for what you believe in" does not describe CFA. This is oppressive, to say the least. It's offensive.

Someone who is "standing up for what they believe in" is being defensive, like Mr. Menino.

That being said, why on earth should I give them my money? When I know a very small portion of it will be going to oppressive groups? When a very small portion of it will go to lobbyists?

Tell me what you think.

Last edited by Tako (Jul 27 2012 1:40:18 pm)

killingpepper123 · Before February 2015

I agree, you shouldn't give them money for a bad use of it. I'm for gay marriage, it's their right to love each other. The mayor stands up for the whole population, and that's what a mayor should be doing. And yes, gay marriage rights are a lot more than a CFA restaurant.

I lol'd hard at the "Your opinion isn't the same as mine, therefore you are wrong and should die."

Tako · Before February 2015

Those are actual comments from Imgur. I must admit, most of the comments are funny.

Arceus64 · Before February 2015

This is happening in Chicago as well.

I'm getting very tired of the reports by now.

Koto · Before February 2015

Someone that I know thats a lesbian posted about this on facebook today. What they put is: "Stop hating on Chick-fil-a. They're a corporation that has thousands of dollars and can do whatever the hell they please. Ive never been to chick-fil-a, but I wouldnt pass up an opportunity to eat perfectly good food if I was given the chance. So what if they dont support gay marriage...Are you really going to stop a business from building new stores and creating new jobs?"

so, since this came from a lesbian herself, I say, hey, let them do whatever they want.

supadorf24 · Before February 2015

It's effing Chick-fil-A. Why would the president of a fast food chain even announce his moral views? That's an idiot move regardless of what his views are when you're in the public eye. That's a bad business decision.

However, although I fully support same-sex marriage, it's also silly for a mayor to decline a business to open up because you have a different point of view. They sell chicken sandwiches, and the company president's view on same-sex marriage doesn't affect that. Nor will it cause a local Chick-fil-A selling sandwiches to offend anyone

tl;dr The president of Chick-fil-A is wrong to have shared his opinion on same-sex marriage if only for the sake of bad publicity, and the mayor of Boston is wrong to stop a business from opening based on the Chick-fil-A president's moral opinion.

soccerfreak006 · Before February 2015

As some of you know, I am against gay marriage. I find it against my religion. But I do know, the people have the right to get married gay. They have the right to, but they are taking it to far to make people support gay marriage. Like you have said, people go against your opinion, and you stop them for this? Notice how this is in the USA. And one of the main parts of our constitution is "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression". That is what I find bad, (besides in my opinion. In my opinion, gay marriage is wrong. But you get it) how the mayor is getting away with disobeying the constitution

ThuggishPrune · Before February 2015

KingOfTheOzone wrote:

Someone that I know thats a lesbian posted about this on facebook today. What they put is: "Stop hating on Chick-fil-a. They're a corporation that has thousands of dollars and can do whatever the hell they please. Ive never been to chick-fil-a, but I wouldnt pass up an opportunity to eat perfectly good food if I was given the chance. So what if they dont support gay marriage...Are you really going to stop a business from building new stores and creating new jobs?"
so, since this came from a lesbian herself, I say, hey, let them do whatever they want.

Oh you know, because ONE person represents the entire homosexual community.

Tako · Before February 2015

@Koto: They have a lot of money... so what? That means their opinions are superior to Menino's? That's just not how things work.

Their food is tasty, but it's not free. It's more than just buying food, it's giving money - albeit a minuscule amount - toward people who are anti gay-marriage and push that belief on other people. This must be accounted for before you think of it as just a restaurant with simple beliefs.

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@Supa: Their beliefs and their business are indeed attached. If they were not, I would agree with you all the way. I would think of Menino's actions as narrow-minded and biased.

In allowing business in Boston, you don't poison the entire city with anti-gay hypnotics, but you do bring them (along with everyone they support) closer to their goal of an anti-gay country.

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@soccerfreak: When people asked Jesus what he thought was the most important commandment, he said "Treat thy neighbor as thyself". Equal. Now, in previous chapters it was taught that homosexuality was wrong, creating a contradiction. To exclude gay people from this commandment is partial belief, and that's not what Jesus had in mind. I would take his word over Moses's.

Concerning the constitution, it has no place in this. He isn't putting duct-tape over CFA's mouth. He isn't even mandating that they can't start a business, merely suggesting it. This is in no way oppression. This isn't crushing freedom like you think it might be. Instead, it is standing up for what he believes in. Defensively.

I appreciate that you don't force your beliefs on other people, that's hard to find in Christians.

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supadorf24 · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

@Supa: Their beliefs and their business are indeed attached. If they were not, I would agree with you all the way. I would think of Menino's actions as narrow-minded and biased.
In allowing business in Boston, you don't poison the entire city with anti-gay hypnotics, but you do bring them (along with everyone they support) closer to their goal of an anti-gay country.

I'm pretty sure we're on the same page, but I'm looking at things from a business standpoint while you're looking at things from a moral standpoint. Because, morally, I totally support what Menino did. It's just... unprofessional.

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As some of you know, I am against gay marriage. I find it against my religion. But I do know, the people have the right to get married gay. They have the right to, but they are taking it to far to make people support gay marriage. Like you have said, people go against your opinion, and you stop them for this? Notice how this is in the USA. And one of the main parts of our constitution is "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression". That is what I find bad, (besides in my opinion. In my opinion, gay marriage is wrong. But you get it) how the mayor is getting away with disobeying the constitution

Care to explain why you think gay marriage is wrong? Or is it just because the bible told you it was?

Koto · Before February 2015

TakoMan02 wrote:

@Koto: They have a lot of money... so what? That means their opinions are superior to Menino's? That's just not how things work.
Their food is tasty, but it's not free. It's more than just buying food, it's giving money - albeit a minuscule amount - toward people who are anti gay-marriage. This must be accounted for before you think of it as just a restaurant with simple beliefs.

I don't care if I'm giving money to someone who doesn't believe in gay-marriage. It's food and has nothing to do with it. However, if he was using said money for a campaign against gays and lesbians, or was paying off politicians to suede them to not pass a law pertaining to the issue, for example, then I would be totally against it.

JadElClemens · Before February 2015

Chick Fil-A = Delicious
Gay Rights = Okay
This guy = borderline wrong.

krubby · Before February 2015

soccerfreak006 wrote:

As some of you know, I am against gay marriage. I find it against my religion. But I do know, the people have the right to get married gay. They have the right to, but they are taking it to far to make people support gay marriage. Like you have said, people go against your opinion, and you stop them for this? Notice how this is in the USA. And one of the main parts of our constitution is "Freedom of Speech" and "Freedom of Expression". That is what I find bad, (besides in my opinion. In my opinion, gay marriage is wrong. But you get it) how the mayor is getting away with disobeying the constitution

and you hurting people and other christians is ok? that's much, much worse than what's happening here.

soccerfreak006 · Before February 2015

well, I think it is wrong because yes, the bible told me so.
takoman02: Jesus said that the morality of the Old Testament is still valid. It is like saying, that because Jesus came to Earth to forgive us for our sins, did not mean that he was taking out the old laws of life. And, in the beginning, God made man, did he make another man for Adam? NO! He gave him a woman, Eve. here is also a link for you Takoman02: http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/homont.html.

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Buzzerbee · Before February 2015

I love chick-fil-a, and I don't support homosexuality.

So... Hoo-rah for chick-fil-a!

EDIT: I don't SUPPORT homosexuality, but I do NOT judge or criticize them.

Just making that clear.

Last edited by BuzzerBee (Jul 26 2012 10:11:23 pm)

krubby · Before February 2015

soccerfreak006 wrote:

well, I think it is wrong because yes, the bible told me so.
takoman02: Jesus said that the morality of the Old Testament is still valid. It is like saying, that because Jesus came to Earth to forgive us for our sins, did not mean that he was taking out the old laws of life. And, in the beginning, God made man, did he make another man for Adam? NO! He gave him a woman, Eve. here is also a link for you Takoman02: http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/homont.html.

how could you do this to people? it's sickening.

soccerfreak006 · Before February 2015

krubby wrote:

soccerfreak006 wrote:
well, I think it is wrong because yes, the bible told me so.
takoman02: Jesus said that the morality of the Old Testament is still valid. It is like saying, that because Jesus came to Earth to forgive us for our sins, did not mean that he was taking out the old laws of life. And, in the beginning, God made man, did he make another man for Adam? NO! He gave him a woman, Eve. here is also a link for you Takoman02: http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/homont.html.
how could you do this to people? it's sickening.

What makes it sickening? Making a statement about my opinion.

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

If the restaurant was refusing employment because of views on same-sex marriage then they are taking away rights. People need to oppose these actions or it will continue to happen. I'm not sure of the details, but the mayor is protect rights, and is prevent personal views from interfering with work.

As long as someone is not taking away the rights of another person, they should be allowed to do whatever they want.

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supadorf24 · Before February 2015

soccerfreak006 wrote:

well, I think it is wrong because yes, the bible told me so.

So instead of thinking for yourself you have instead chosen to believe what this book has told you.

soccerfreak006 wrote:

takoman02: Jesus said that the morality of the Old Testament is still valid. It is like saying, that because Jesus came to Earth to forgive us for our sins, did not mean that he was taking out the old laws of life. And, in the beginning, God made man, did he make another man for Adam? NO! He gave him a woman, Eve. here is also a link for you Takoman02: http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/homont.html.

Once again, religion is fine, but it's called "faith" for a reason. Have you ever questioned whether the bible was factual?

Almost all opposition to same-sex marriage comes from ignorant religious people that do exactly what you're doing, let some book tell them what's right and what's wrong. Try thinking for yourself. Is there any moral reason two people of the same sex shouldn't marry past the fact that some old book says they shouldn't? The same book that's keeping two people that love each other from marrying?

GKAbyss · Before February 2015

I don't see why you have to question religious beliefs if it is what he wants to believe in. I disagree on Christianity's view on same-sex marriage.
Some things I want to say...

Whether or not everything in the bible is true doesn't matter. Christianity is a belief and so is believing in same-sex marriage being right or wrong, or whether or not anything is right or wrong. You can't force your opinions on others and should respect what they believe in. You may think it's wrong, but they probably think the same thing of you. Neither side is likely to admit that they are wrong in their beliefs.

Tako · Before February 2015

KingOfTheOzone wrote:

However, if he was using said money for a campaign against gays and lesbians, or was paying off politicians to suede them to not pass a law pertaining to the issue, for example, then I would be totally against it.

Of course he is. Christians' main goal is to, as they say, "go out and make disciples of the earth". Or as I see it, "go push your beliefs on other people".

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/07/2 … bt-people/
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/07/1 … ?mobile=nc

Lobbying? Perhaps not, I haven't really looked into that. But they certainly support campaigning.

supadorf24 · Before February 2015

GKAbyss wrote:

I don't see why you have to question religious beliefs if it is what he wants to believe in. I disagree on Christianity's view on same-sex marriage.
Some things I want to say...
Whether or not everything in the bible is true doesn't matter. Christianity is a belief and so is believing in same-sex marriage being right or wrong, or whether or not anything is right or wrong. You can't force your opinions on others and should respect what they believe in. You may think it's wrong, but they probably think the same thing of you. Neither side is likely to admit that they are wrong in their beliefs.

It's not so much that he believes in Christianity, it's that he's letting some book tell him what's right and what's wrong. That's aggravating to me, and unfair to the homosexuals that are judged by what this book tells us to judge, not on their character.

GKAbyss wrote:

You can't force your opinions on others and should respect what they believe in.

Uh, this goes for both sides of the argument. If Christians can say what's right and what's wrong, I feel I also have the right to do that. Saying same-sex marriage is wrong isn't exactly respecting the beliefs of those who believe in equality, so why should everyone else respect Christians' beliefs? It would be a double standard if I wasn't allowed to say that they're wrong while they say that homosexuality is wrong.

32OrtonEdge32dh · Before February 2015

Homosexuality is natural. It's been observed in countless species of animal. Gay people are still Homo sapiens, same as you, they just doubled the first word. If we're all the same people, why can't we all have the same rights?

@soccerwhatever###: You probably shouldn't base your ideas off what one two-thousand year old book says. Broaden your views. Read On the Origin of Species. Read anything, for that matter. Look outside. Just because your parents believe it and people force it on you doesn't mean it's right.

Fdoou · Before February 2015

I'm christian, but if I scream at gay people, I would be hated. So I don't.

Twipply · Before February 2015

soccerfreak006 wrote:

And, in the beginning, God made man, did he make another man for Adam? NO! He gave him a woman, Eve.

I feel so sorry for you.

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