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JadElClemens

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Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

I have been reading up on tulpas (my preferred plural noun of choice), which can be easily defined (in the most recently popular usage) as your subconscious, given a personality crafted by you and projected into your surroundings as a visible, audible, touchable*, smell-able(?)*, taste-able(?)(eww)* companion. There are obviously better definitions, but at the moment this is the best I can define them without referencing an outside source.

*To a degree. Is said to feel "empty".

I first saw threads on /mlp/ about them, mainly people wanting to create tulpas of their pony OC or a character from the show. I actually only read one in its entirety about five days ago and I must say, I'm intrigued by what I learned. I originally set out (assuming I wanted to follow through with the process) to create a tulpa effigy of Rarity, but I soon learned that creating a tulpa based on an existing person or character leads to personality/identity issues (which I find to be ridiculous, seeing as it would know all about itself, even the fact that it was created to be a "living" duplicate), so I settled on an old childhood (yet I'm still a child) creation of mine, a wizard who can cast spells (I DON'T SAY?) and cool crap like that.

I'm quite scared, to be honest. I haven't actually "begun" to tulpaforce (a preferred term by some to refer to the act of developing or working with (in general) a tulpa), but I have read up on some techniques and done some "practices". But the thought of my subconscious running wild in a physical form frightens me. People are apparently able to exercise some sort of control over their tulpas (their actions and words having real effects on the tulpa and it not just running wild, i.e. it doesn't just go crap insane and do its best to traumatize its creator). I fear an incorrect or incomplete creation, creating some abomination or fragmenting my mind. I also fear how my mental abilities may suffer, although I've heard that subconscious functions such as memory recall and general school skills are better through a tulpa, seeing as they relay this information to you in a way you can understand (your language).

If you care to look further than I've explained here, please come back and tell me/us what you think.

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krubby

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

wait, i'm confuddled. are you talking about an actual tangible thing? a compooter program? an rp thingy? a sort of imaginary friend? help me out...

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JadElClemens

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

It is an actual tangible* thing. This is real, not some made-up fantasy story like SCP or something like that. It is a manifestation of your subconscious (so say the scientific ones), more recently phyiscal forms have been used and "projected" into world to the point of you being able to see, hear, etc. them.

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krubby

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

alright, although what i'm wondering is like, are they robots or some kind of real life toouchy-feely mental image? sorry to be all pestery, but this is very unclear to me.

JadElClemens

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

It's your own subconscious as a companion almost exactly like any other. They can speak independently of your conscious thought, come up with "their own" emotions, etc. Or so I've heard.

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krubby

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

wha?! but isn't the exact defenition of subconsious that it's indirect non-sentient thought? i'm not gonna start some twipply-esque argument, but this all sounds very fuzzy to me. is there some kind of link i can have that'll explain this better?

EDIT: alright, i read a bit about it. i think that something similar to this could be possible however, it wouldn't be a tangible thing, unless you're truly insane. we can't imagine seeing an object resting there and actually think we're physically looking at it, and a sentient, moving entity would be even more difficult. i think that to do this you'd first have to do is understand whatever you want to create very, very well. that you could effectively write out an approximation as to what their reactions and responses are to everything. then, in your head, you would have conversations with that voice where basically you act like you're talking to it and then thinking up the entity's answer, in it's voice, in your head. if you do this enough, then you should try doing it while youre very tired or aren't thinking straight. after a while, i think your mind would fill in the answers for you without you thinking it out yourself. i don't know, i came up with this idea as i typed, but this seems like the most realistic possibility. so yeah, it would be less subconcious and more of a harmless MPD like thing.

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

Oh! I heard about someone mentioning this on another forum. Twice, if I recall correctly. One post linked to a site about it.
It seems to me that it's a very vivid hallucination.
Anyway, I don't think I'd want to know anything about my subconcious at all, because it's a very, very dark and scary place.

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treejoe4

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I think it's pointless and a bizarre thought, maybe you should take a break from the internet.

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

i think this happening with your subconcious is complete bullpucky, but as i said, it could possibly be done with a character. your subconcious is essentially just all of the thoughts that have no real form- that aren't put into words or images. if you were to manifest it, then it wouldn't be your subconcious, it would just be your thoughts which you already have.

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I don't know what to think of this (I don't understand any of it)

JadElClemens

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

wha?! but isn't the exact defenition of subconsious that it's indirect non-sentient thought?

No, subconscious thought is just something that you don't consciously think.

i think that something similar to this could be possible however.

I don't understand. This is possible.

I think it's pointless and a bizarre thought, maybe you should take a break from the internet.

Way to state an opinion without any reasoning.

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

Assuming you are talking about the true meaning of Tulpa, this should clarify:

In as much as the mind creates the world of appearances, it can create any particular object desired. The process consists of giving palpable being to a visualization, in very much the same manner as an architect gives concrete expression in three dimensions to his abstract concepts after first having given them expression in the two-dimensions of his blue-print. The Tibetans call the One Mind's concretized visualization the Khorva (Hkhorva), equivalent to the Sanskrit Sangsara; that of an incarnate deity, like the Dalai or Tashi Lama, they call a Tul-ku (Sprul-sku), and that of a magician a Tul-pa (Sprul-pa), meaning a magically produced illusion or creation. A master of yoga can dissolve a Tul-pa as readily as he can create it; and his own illusory human body, or Tul-ku, he can likewise dissolve, and thus outwit Death. Sometimes, by means of this magic, one human form can be amalgamated with another, as in the instance of the wife of Marpa, guru of Milarepa, who ended her life by incorporating herself in the body of Marpa."

tl;dr: It's a magical physical manifestation of something, and the same magic can be used to merge two people and kill one in the process.

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treejoe4

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

Instead of creating imaginary friends, do something else. There is no way an imaginary buddy will improve your life in anyway, it's a waste of time.

JadElClemens

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

Instead of creating imaginary friends, do something else. There is no way an imaginary buddy will improve your life in anyway, it's a waste of time.

It seems that you haven't read up on the proposed benefits of them, then. I find it very interesting, and it's not like I'm going to do much better sitting on my **** playing EE or something.

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treejoe4

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What benefits could come from a teenager having an imaginary friend to interact with? Sure it is fun to lose grip with the real world and it's evils, but that is drugs job to do that not imaginary buddies.

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

What benefits could come from a teenager having an imaginary friend to interact with? Sure it is fun to lose grip with the real world and it's evils, but that is drugs job to do that not imaginary buddies.

I'd rather do something legal and beneficial.
I fail to see how this makes you "lose grip with the real world and its evils".

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treejoe4

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Drugs aren't beneficial? Hahahahahahahahahaha, drugs have done more good than you can ever imagine. Alcohol and Cigarettes are the bad ones!

If you have an imaginary friend at an older age, it is worth getting professional help. If you have fun interacting with an imaginary thing, it would provide no benefits for any social skills. Humans evolved to interact and form groups, not to hang out with an imaginary friend inspired by role playing of cartoon ponies.

How the hell are we meant to get to Mars at this rate?

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

wha?! but isn't the exact defenition of subconsious that it's indirect non-sentient thought?

No, subconscious thought is just something that you don't consciously think.

yeah, and consiously thinking is the same as sentient thought.

i think that something similar to this could be possible however.

I don't understand. This is possible.

you're taking something that can't be proven easily as immediate fact. not saying that this is all a bunch of bs, but i don't really view zen masters or whereever this is from as psychologists.

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Drugs aren't beneficial? Hahahahahahahahahaha, drugs have done more good than you can ever imagine. Alcohol and Cigarettes are the bad ones!

I suppose that's where you and I differ. I think drugs are bad, whereas you think Tulpas are bad. Can either of us prove our point? No, I'm not going to try drugs and you're not going to try tulpaforcing.

If you have an imaginary friend at an older age, it is worth getting professional help.

Says who?

If you have fun interacting with an imaginary thing, it would provide no benefits for any social skills. Humans evolved to interact and form groups, not to hang out with an imaginary friend

And I suppose that means that interacting with one person at a time instead of a group is a very bad and detrimental thing, then. "If you do drugs, it will provide no benefits for any life skills". I can do this, too.

inspired by role playing of cartoon ponies.

The mass interest was sparked by cartoon ponies, not the entire idea.

wha?! but isn't the exact defenition of subconsious that it's indirect non-sentient thought?

No, subconscious thought is just something that you don't consciously think.

yeah, and consiously thinking is the same as sentient thought.

You've got me there, and proven only what all of us already know: I'm not the person to ask for in-depth information.

i think that something similar to this could be possible however.

I don't understand. This is possible.

you're taking something that can't be proven easily as immediate fact. not saying that this is all a bunch of bs, but i don't really view zen masters or whereever this is from as psychologists.

This statement also invalidates all consumer testimonies seen in commercials, especially seeing as being able to have a tulpa is confirmed through such "consumer" testimonies. I suppose this statement depends on your definition of proof.

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Chatteno

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ermahgerd, is psychology like this?
I WANNA BE THE NEXT FREUD!!

treejoe4

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A lot of drugs will open up your mind to the world, an imaginary friend will lock you in a childish state inspired by cartoons, grow up.

JadElClemens

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A lot of drugs will open up your mind to the world, an imaginary friend will lock you in a childish state inspired by cartoons, grow up.

I suppose you and I have differing opinions and nothing is going to change that. Honestly, I look down on you for drugs, you look down on me for this. Jesus Christ, do you not get that? You don't have to keep acting superior because your bad choice is "better" than mine.

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treejoe4

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA

Yes I should hate drugs, and ignore all the books, music and films they have inspired, remember all that rock music? I don't look down on you, I just think you are wasting your time with something that a 5 year old would do, but I suppose I must have a imaginary talking pony just to have any form activity in my brain. I mean, what else would I fill my time with? A hobby? Hahahahaha.

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Re: Tulpas, Tulpi, Tuplae, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA

Yes I should hate drugs, and ignore all the books, music and films they have inspired, remember all that rock music? I don't look down on you, I just think you are wasting your time with something that a 5 year old would do, but I suppose I must have a imaginary talking pony just to have any form activity in my brain. I mean, what else would I fill my time with? A hobby? Hahahahaha.

We see things differently, that's all. I respect your choice and ask that you respect mine. I don't consider it to be "something a five-year-old would do", this is a very matured spiritual technique (albeit a Tibetan one, which I am not and not using it for). I find it very interesting and a very interesting thing to consider. I don't think time spent on it would be wasted per se, as once it is formed life would resume as usual, except with an amazing creature of your own creation there to accompany you.

I'm sorry I couldn't see the good side of your argument and that you couldn't see the good side of mine.

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treejoe4

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I'm sure the Tibetans appreciate their techniques being used on /mlp for cartoons. I'm sure they also appreciate their techniques being taught by 5 minutes of googling.You also forgot the 'creature' is not real, it is a childish creation for a silly form of entertainment. Get a hobby, go learn guitar or something.